In order to continue DB's story in an authentic manner, Jump should create a Toriyama AI bot

[JulieYBM]

All the money being spent on AI, rather than raising the base wages in Hollywood, say everything that needs to be said about how the wealthy and the decision-makers in Hollywood feel about the people working in the industry.

They are insulting you, the artists you love, and the minimum wage workers who support the industry to your face.

[PowerPhantom245]

Nice to meet another member with "Phantom" in the name.
Going back to the topic, it's only matter of time unfortunately.
We are getting first AI-directed movie next year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgmkrWXC_po

Soon enough we'll have a whole Phanrom Troupe here

But I agree with MasenkoHA, that trailer looks like shit and I doubt many people will watch that "movie"

Don't you mean Council of Phantoms?
As for the movie, it's going to make good amount of money, unfortunately, given how AI is trending among youngsters these days (I think).
If you check YouTube or any video sites, there's all sort of AI videos out there.

[PhantomSaiyan]

Don't you mean Council of Phantoms?

Perhaps...

As for the movie, it's going to make good amount of money, unfortunately, given how AI is trending among youngsters these days (I think).
If you check YouTube or any video sites, there's all sort of AI videos out there.

It absolutely won't. You think people will spend money on that? Seriously? It already has a pitiful amount of views on youtube.
Secondly, even if ai is trending with young people, it's just when it comes to memes and stupid forgettable content that you scroll past in like 30 seconds.

Paying actual money to go see an ai made movie is a totally different thing, which is very unlikely to happen, since the trailer doesn't even look good, and again, a very small amount of people knows this is even a thing. You've overvaluing it.

[MasenkoHA]

Nice to meet another member with "Phantom" in the name.
Going back to the topic, it's only matter of time unfortunately.
We are getting first AI-directed movie next year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgmkrWXC_po

Soon enough we'll have a whole Phanrom Troupe here

But I agree with MasenkoHA, that trailer looks like shit and I doubt many people will watch that "movie"

Don't you mean Council of Phantoms?
As for the movie, it's going to make good amount of money, unfortunately, given how AI is trending among youngsters these days (I think).
If you check YouTube or any video sites, there's all sort of AI videos out there.

You are overestimating AI’s pull. There is a a difference between a few minutes of AI generated brainrot for some teehees and a feature length “movie” that looks like dogshit

[PowerPhantom245]

It absolutely won't. You think people will spend money on that? Seriously? It already has a pitiful amount of views on youtube.
Secondly, even if ai is trending with young people, it's just when it comes to memes and stupid forgettable content that you scroll past in like 30 seconds.

Paying actual money to go see an ai made movie is a totally different thing, which is very unlikely to happen, since the trailer doesn't even look good, and again, a very small amount of people knows this is even a thing. You've overvaluing it.

You are overestimating AI’s pull. There is a a difference between a few minutes of AI generated brainrot for some teehees and a feature length “movie” that looks like dogshit

I'm not, at all.
I hope you're right that this won't be new norm, but there's people out there who would pay money to watch weird content on big screen.
It may be small now, but it would EVENTUALLY becomes bigger (...which I hope I'm wrong).
I'm afraid and concern that this might be the beginning of new era of film making.
We've seen 4K UHD gotten AI remaster for major titles (*cough* James Cameron), so why should this be any different? lol
Despite controversy, those sold very well and other studios are following (ex. Jaws 3-D... not that it's a good movie or anything but still).
If big name director's gets away with this, so does the theatrical movie.
I wouldn't surprise in next 10~15 years or so (or possibly earlier), we might get new Dragon Ball series, made entirely by AI, replacing animators and voice actors.

[MasenkoHA]

It absolutely won't. You think people will spend money on that? Seriously? It already has a pitiful amount of views on youtube.
Secondly, even if ai is trending with young people, it's just when it comes to memes and stupid forgettable content that you scroll past in like 30 seconds.

Paying actual money to go see an ai made movie is a totally different thing, which is very unlikely to happen, since the trailer doesn't even look good, and again, a very small amount of people knows this is even a thing. You've overvaluing it.

You are overestimating AI’s pull. There is a a difference between a few minutes of AI generated brainrot for some teehees and a feature length “movie” that looks like dogshit

I'm not, at all.
I hope you're right that this won't be new norm, but there's people out there who would pay money to watch weird content on big screen.
It may be small now, but it would EVENTUALLY becomes bigger (...which I hope I'm wrong).
I'm afraid and concern that this might be the beginning of new era of film making.
We've seen 4K UHD gotten AI remaster for major titles (*cough* James Cameron), so why should this be any different? lol
Despite controversy, those sold very well and other studios are following (ex. Jaws 3-D... not that it's a good movie or anything but still).
If big name director's gets away with this, so does the theatrical movie.
I wouldn't surprise in next 10~15 years or so (or possibly earlier), we might get new Dragon Ball series, made entirely by AI, replacing animators and voice actors.

You keep comparing apples to oranges. There’s a world of difference between an AI upscale and an entirely AI made movie. In the very trailer you linked 12k views and only 121 likes.


Obviously AI has made a lot of progress and it is worrisome how corporations are riding the wave. (For more reasons than just the art argument https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/s ... n-do-about)
but so many of you will sound the alarm early and point to the most obviously synthetic deepfake AI voice or a movie that looks like shit from a butt and go “this is the near future”

Frankly, we’re more likely to see Toei or Crunchymation do an AI upscale of DBZ than anything on the Dragon Ball front

[PowerPhantom245]

Frankly, we’re more likely to see Toei or Crunchymation do an AI upscale of DBZ than anything on the Dragon Ball front

Don't give them that idea.
It's bad enough we've suffered with DNR and cropped.
Sadly, it would sell well, if Orange Box and Season Set Blu-ray is any indication.

[PhantomSaiyan]

I'm not, at all.
I hope you're right that this won't be new norm, but there's people out there who would pay money to watch weird content on big screen.
It may be small now, but it would EVENTUALLY becomes bigger (...which I hope I'm wrong).
I'm afraid and concern that this might be the beginning of new era of film making.
We've seen 4K UHD gotten AI remaster for major titles (*cough* James Cameron), so why should this be any different? lol
Despite controversy, those sold very well and other studios are following (ex. Jaws 3-D... not that it's a good movie or anything but still).
If big name director's gets away with this, so does the theatrical movie.
I wouldn't surprise in next 10~15 years or so (or possibly earlier), we might get new Dragon Ball series, made entirely by AI, replacing animators and voice actors.

You 100% are overestiamting it, it's not even a question.

You cited an ai remastered then asked "why should this be any different"
Because remastering something with ai, as much as I don't support it, is worlds away from making an entire production soley with ai. It's so different that it's not even a comparison.

And I'll repeat, the way people engage with ai content now, stumbling upon it while doomscrolling thousands of memes they will forget right after they're done, is in NO WAY an indication that these people would pay MONEY to GO OUT and see an "ai movie".

Like MasenkoHA said, apples and oranges.

[PowerPhantom245]

You 100% are overestiamting it, it's not even a question.

You cited an ai remastered then asked "why should this be any different"
Because remastering something with ai, as much as I don't support it, is worlds away from making an entire production soley with ai.
It's so different that it's not even a comparison.

And I'll repeat, the way people engage with ai content now, stumbling upon it while doomscrolling thousands of memes they will forget right after they're done, is in NO WAY an indication that these people would pay MONEY to GO OUT and see an "ai movie".

Like MasenkoHA said, apples and oranges.

I don't see any difference what so ever.
AI used for remastering is not that different than making movie/TV shows with AI.
It's still a concept of tool; one is to remaster is other for production.
I wouldn't surprise that James Cameron would make future Avatar sequels or any of his movies ENTIRELY out of AI; which would be very ironic.
Even though AI production for film industry is in infancy, it would EVENTUALLY flourish, whether we like it or not.
I wouldn't surprise in 10~20 years, AI movie might win Academy Awards, so who knows.
Granted, I don't want that to happen, but it is still possible.
...or it could go obscure and forgotten like fidget spinner (...anyone remember those? lol).

Like MasenkoHA said, apples and oranges.

All this conversation makes me hungry.

[PhantomSaiyan]

I don't see any difference what so ever.
AI used for remastering is not that different than making movie/TV shows with AI.
It's still a concept of tool; one is to remaster is other for production.
I wouldn't surprise that James Cameron would make future Avatar sequels or any of his movies ENTIRELY out of AI; which would be very ironic.
Even though AI production for film industry is in infancy, it would EVENTUALLY flourish, whether we like it or not.
I wouldn't surprise in 10~20 years, AI movie might win Academy Awards, so who knows.
Granted, I don't want that to happen, but it is still possible.
...or it could go obscure and forgotten like fidget spinner (...anyone remember those? lol).

Let me get this straight, you think that applying an ai filter and calling it a remaster, is the same thing as essentially replacing THOUSANDS of people and create and entire feature lenght movie from scratch?


I'm sorry but I'm at a loss for words arguing with this. What would you say to someone who told you with full confidence that the sky is green?
You obviously know that's not true, but if the guy can't see something so obvious with his own eyes, then wtf are you supposed to say: this is the situation I'm in right now, the truth is obvious to everyone except you.

Saying those two things are the same is like saying that a human and a rat are pretty much the same thing because they both breathe, or some other stupid analogy like that.

Again, I get that the majority of people is stupid, but even then, they would not pay for an ai movie. I get not having faith in humanity, I get being paranoid about shitty doomsday futures, but you're taking that shit to the extreme for no reason lol

AI flourishing in artistic roles is in no way as inevitable as you make it out to be. Majority of the population rejects that shit for a reason, and if half of your potential audience not only rejects you, but straight up hates you and boycotts you, you will never flourish.

[PowerPhantom245]

Again, I get that the majority of people is stupid, but even then, they would not pay for an ai movie. I get not having faith in humanity, I get being paranoid about shitty doomsday futures, but you're taking that shit to the extreme for no reason lol

AI flourishing in artistic roles is in no way as inevitable as you make it out to be. Majority of the population rejects that shit for a reason, and if half of your potential audience not only rejects you, but straight up hates you and boycotts you, you will never flourish.

I got a little overboard.
I tends to get over-react and paranoid to any topic very easily.
My apology.

[PhantomSaiyan]

I got a little overboard.
I tends to get over-react and paranoid to any topic very easily.
My apology.

No worries it's not like it's uncommon
I was also pretty paranoid about ai a few years ago before I stopped and actually thought about it. I don't fear for the future as much anymore, I see that there are still TONS of people who support real art, and they're not disappearing anytime soon. Newer generations will also have guidance from these people.

People are already waking up and realized that modern media is filled to the brim with slop, ai is literally slop but 10 times worse, so if human slop already took a hit, there's no reason to think that ai slop will flourish

[PowerPhantom245]

Going back to OP, if Jump was to make Toriyama AI bot, it should be called "Tori-AI-ma".

[PhantomSaiyan]

Unfortunately, I don't think the funny nickname would make it any less disrespectful and dystopian

[Metalwario64]

Even the top AI models struggle to really... well convey humanity in it's stories. I've tried to get Grok and Gemini to do silly DB fanfic stuff and it always is... well very fanficy wth generic character names and not to mention the limited context windows. A "Toriyama AI" would be a million times more forgetful (not to mention soulless) than the man himself.

[jjgp1112]

Even the top AI models struggle to really... well convey humanity in it's stories. I've tried to get Grok and Gemini to do silly DB fanfic stuff and it always is... well very fanficy wth generic character names and not to mention the limited context windows. A "Toriyama AI" would be a million times more forgetful (not to mention soulless) than the man himself.

Yeah I tried to see if it could rewrite my fanfic and I wound up having to input so much instruction I was like "Yeah, how is this any different from writing it myself?" Extremely generic writing too, like you said, with no distinct voice or anything.

[WittyUsername]

If I was going to enlist in any AI to write me a Dragon Ball fanfic, Grok is probably the last one I’d trust.

[PowerPhantom245]

If I was going to enlist in any AI to write me a Dragon Ball fanfic, Grok is probably the last one I’d trust.

Don't you mean Groku?

[JulieYBM]

AI generated text is soulless because it's not sentient. It's not an actual being. Shit, it's not The Doctor from Star Trek, a character—written by real humans!—that was ostensibly all about exploring the idea of a new type of being coming into existence and actually developing as a character into a sentient being capable of his own thoughts and feelings...and creating art of his own.

We aren't there—we're not dealing with anything more than an expensive, environment-destroying, life-taking algorithm incapable of being held responsible for anything.

I know that I'm a broken record on the subject, but creating art is fun! Don't literally take the fun out of it by having AI do some soulless trash that you can't actually engage with.

[The Dark Knight]

AI generated text is soulless because it's not sentient. It's not an actual being. I know that I'm a broken record on the subject, but creating art is fun! Don't literally take the fun out of it by having AI do some soulless trash that you can't actually engage with.

This right here should be basic common sense, bur for some reason it isn't. I'm not against the use of AI as a tool to make the work of an author/artist easier (like any other piece of tech that's been used over the years), but I don' want to see companies removing the human element entirely from the process of creating art. Look at Daima; that show was a labor of love from Toriyama to everyone on the production team; it's not the kind of project AI can create, even if you give it a 100 years to do so. The problem is, fans don't care about that; they want generic fights with little to no substance behind them.