LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!Extreme_kai wrote: Sun Nov 23, 2025 3:20 pmAs a 36-year-old woman who loves Cell, I couldn't agree more!![]()
It's a pleasure to be in such excellent company.
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!Extreme_kai wrote: Sun Nov 23, 2025 3:20 pmAs a 36-year-old woman who loves Cell, I couldn't agree more!![]()
That's an interesting regional aspect. It would be informative to see the regional voting.MasenkoHA wrote: Sun Nov 23, 2025 10:40 amI imagine a lot of fans voting are also fans who grew up with the old Funimation dub. Despite a lot of revisionist “I always loved Linda Young as Frieza how dare they recast” comments Funimation’s Frieza was a very unpopular villain, mostly for femmephobia reasons.LightBing wrote: Sun Nov 23, 2025 10:03 am People will start voting for their favorites once the contest is further along.
So far surprised by Cell above Freeza and Kuririn outside the top 10. Bulma should be way higher.
You can probably add Gohan in third. From 4th downwards is where it gets interesting.
I would say that it is more the English-speaking audience that prefers Cell, which I attribute mainly to the characterization given to Frieza in the dub, which I don't think appealed to many viewers.LoganForkHands73 wrote: Sun Nov 23, 2025 7:32 pm
Freeza and Cell, as you’d expect, are really close, but the global audience always seems to lean towards Cell, whereas Freeza soundly dominates in the Japanese fandom.
In addition, Linda Young's performance lacks the charisma achieved by Ryusei Nakao's portrayal, which contributed greatly to the character.JulieYBM wrote: Mon Nov 24, 2025 2:10 pm Yeah, making Freeza even gayer and having those episodes air in the 1990s and early 2000s—when homophobia and transphobia were even more socially acceptable—was not a good mix for making Freeza liked lol
But I have no idea where to find them. I checked the website and their official twitter (which I regrettably reopened an account for) Where are they?SNS icons of the characters who survived the 1st stage and smartphone wallpapers of the characters who survived the 2nd stage are now available!
Such an underrated villain. Shame his arc was cut short, his gimmick had a lot of potential.Yuji wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 11:19 am Surprised Dr. Gero fell through this round. Will be voting him in for the revival round.
I'm surprised he isn't more popular considering how much his backstory and family tree were fleshed out in the revival era.
The reception of Freeza (in the West specifically) has always fascinated me. Growing up with Linda Young's Freeza, I always accepted that Freeza used male pronouns. I always thought he was androgynous, but he's an alien, so I didn't want to assume just off of looks or voice. My younger brother, despite growing up with the early dub of DBZ, fairly recently called Freeza a girl after I showed him a clip from DBS Broly with Ayre's performance. He doesn't keep up with DBS, but he still insists he was a girl despite having a male voice actor. One of my gaming buddies also would repeatedly call Freeza "she" when we played DBFZ together. This, in spite of the fact that we both used Japanese audio in our gameplay.JulieYBM wrote: Mon Nov 24, 2025 2:10 pm Yeah, making Freeza even gayer and having those episodes air in the 1990s and early 2000s—when homophobia and transphobia were even more socially acceptable—was not a good mix for making Freeza liked lol
Oh gosh, that is some wild nostalgia. I wish my memory was a bit clearer than just the general vibes of people hating Freeza for being feminine.Extreme_kai wrote: Wed Nov 26, 2025 2:27 pmThe reception of Freeza (in the West specifically) has always fascinated me. Growing up with Linda Young's Freeza, I always accepted that Freeza used male pronouns. I always thought he was androgynous, but he's an alien, so I didn't want to assume just off of looks or voice. My younger brother, despite growing up with the early dub of DBZ, fairly recently called Freeza a girl after I showed him a clip from DBS Broly with Ayre's performance. He doesn't keep up with DBS, but he still insists he was a girl despite having a male voice actor. One of my gaming buddies also would repeatedly call Freeza "she" when we played DBFZ together. This, in spite of the fact that we both used Japanese audio in our gameplay.JulieYBM wrote: Mon Nov 24, 2025 2:10 pm Yeah, making Freeza even gayer and having those episodes air in the 1990s and early 2000s—when homophobia and transphobia were even more socially acceptable—was not a good mix for making Freeza liked lol
So I certainly agree there is a degree of Homophobia, transphobia, and femmphobia going on with his character, in the West at least. I even saw a guy in a YouTube comment on the Funimation dub of Goku vs Freeza call Freeza "A representation of female evil." lol. A even argued with a guy on here who didn't like Freeza because in his words: Freeza is "femmine-femmine" and that's not as acceptable as Vegitos "Masculine-femmine" lol. Unfortunately, to get the most respect, you have to be the biggest, macho character without a single hint of femininity. smh.
Anyway, I'm just happy that Freeza and Cell are in the top 10. They are my favorite Dragon Ball ship. They're so close they could make out at any moment.![]()
To this day, I have no clue what that guy was on about Vegito being "masculine-feminine." What does that even mean? I also remember him saying Cell was "masculine-feminine," and therefore a better villain than Freeza. He said characters like Vegito, Cell, and Black are elegant, but in a masculine way. Sleek and refined but not too feminine in a matronly way like Freeza is. I remember him comparing Freeza to a grandma a lot, most likely the Linda Young influence, be he also said he visually resembled an old lady. I guess too feminine for him would be like lipstick, a high-pitched voice, etc, lol. They will make up any BS to hate on fems. It's sad, really.JulieYBM wrote: Wed Nov 26, 2025 2:35 pmOh gosh, that is some wild nostalgia. I wish my memory was a bit clearer than just the general vibes of people hating Freeza for being feminine.Extreme_kai wrote: Wed Nov 26, 2025 2:27 pmThe reception of Freeza (in the West specifically) has always fascinated me. Growing up with Linda Young's Freeza, I always accepted that Freeza used male pronouns. I always thought he was androgynous, but he's an alien, so I didn't want to assume just off of looks or voice. My younger brother, despite growing up with the early dub of DBZ, fairly recently called Freeza a girl after I showed him a clip from DBS Broly with Ayre's performance. He doesn't keep up with DBS, but he still insists he was a girl despite having a male voice actor. One of my gaming buddies also would repeatedly call Freeza "she" when we played DBFZ together. This, in spite of the fact that we both used Japanese audio in our gameplay.JulieYBM wrote: Mon Nov 24, 2025 2:10 pm Yeah, making Freeza even gayer and having those episodes air in the 1990s and early 2000s—when homophobia and transphobia were even more socially acceptable—was not a good mix for making Freeza liked lol
So I certainly agree there is a degree of Homophobia, transphobia, and femmphobia going on with his character, in the West at least. I even saw a guy in a YouTube comment on the Funimation dub of Goku vs Freeza call Freeza "A representation of female evil." lol. A even argued with a guy on here who didn't like Freeza because in his words: Freeza is "femmine-femmine" and that's not as acceptable as Vegitos "Masculine-femmine" lol. Unfortunately, to get the most respect, you have to be the biggest, macho character without a single hint of femininity. smh.
Anyway, I'm just happy that Freeza and Cell are in the top 10. They are my favorite Dragon Ball ship. They're so close they could make out at any moment.![]()
Femphobia is such a wild thing, but it's also so, so ingrained into our society, so that the hating/mocking of Freeza and even the memory-holing of him as a woman tracks under that line of thinking.
Vegetto as 'masculine-feminine' is definitely a new one, though.Is it because of how well his hair is drawn in most episodes of Dragon Ball Z?
The new and old characters from his family tree likely received all the benefit from this connection. He wasn't even a character in FighterZ.Yuji wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 3:21 pmI'm surprised he isn't more popular considering how much his backstory and family tree were fleshed out in the revival era.
I loved his introduction and cat and mouse chase later.