Dragon Ball Genkida Matsuri 2026 DBS remaster, DBS galactic patrol arc, Age 1000 announced.

[Mr Baggins]

Of course nobody is thinking about it right now, nobody is being paid to think about it.

Preposterous argument. You have no idea what Toei, Capsule Corp Tokyo, Shueisha, etc. are investing in currently or at least have in their franchise pipeline. Certain individuals are always being paid to think about the future of Dragon Ball.

Moreover, whether they adapt the manga in general or proceed to the Moro arc would be a decision they'd obviously make long before animating any scene in particular.

And probably just tweak the scene in their adaption, because it's not the big deal that you're making it out to be.

If you're referring to the example I just mentioned, I'd suggest you go back and re-read what happened there. That entire fight is predicated on Roshi knowing a technique he only knows in the manga. The dialogue even points out that without it, he may as well not be present at all.

Again, this is just one example. The time and effort required to change all this shit to placate a few online fans or whatever is probably not worth it.

And just speaking for myself, I'd love to have a proper DBS manga adaptation. I think it more than deserves one.

[JulieYBM]

Of course nobody is thinking about it right now, nobody is being paid to think about it.

Preposterous argument. You have no idea what Toei, Capsule Corp Tokyo, Shueisha, etc. are investing in currently or at least have in their franchise pipeline. Certain individuals are always being paid to think about the future of Dragon Ball.

Moreover, whether they adapt the manga in general or proceed to the Moro arc would be a decision they'd obviously make long before animating any scene in particular.

You just said that you can guarantee what these people are doing.

I do think it would make far more sense to just... pick up from where it left off, either with a retelling of Broly or just jumping straight into Moro.

No. That would make less sense, not more.

The Moro arc specifically makes reference to events that happened exclusively in the manga, and does so multiple times. I can guarantee that nobody at Toei is thinking about reworking entire scenes (i.e. Roshi vs. that female trio) just to appease people in a rush to get to new content.

What makes the most sense is adapting the material leading up to Moro before they get around to animating Moro.

And again, to repeat myself, the production staff that gets hired will think about how the scene will be handled when it's time to think about it. There is no Dragon Ball Super production staff that currently exists, because there is no Dragon Ball Super project in the works (until there is one).

And probably just tweak the scene in their adaption, because it's not the big deal that you're making it out to be.

If you're referring to the example I just mentioned, I'd suggest you go back and re-read what happened there. That entire fight is predicated on Roshi knowing a technique he only knows in the manga. The dialogue even points out that without it, he may as well not be present at all.

Again, this is just one example. The time and effort required to change all this shit to placate a few online fans or whatever is probably not worth it.

And just speaking for myself, I'd love to have a proper DBS manga adaptation. I think it more than deserves one.

The scene director and the person in charge of series composition that is hired literally go over each scene. These are creative people capable of creating original animated series not based on a prior work. They can figure out how to handle this scene and make it work within the context of the 2015 animated series. This is not a revolutionary idea.

Jesus fucking Christ, I'm not shitting on the comic series here, I'm saying that the concept of flexibility exists and that human beings are perfectly capable of just writing a plot point differently in an adaption.

[Mr Baggins]

There is no Dragon Ball Super production staff that currently exists, because there is no Dragon Ball Super project in the works (until there is one).

Again, you don't know that at all. You're flagrantly making this up.

I said they're (probably) not thinking about restructuring all these scenes, then you said of course because they're not currently being paid to work on it. That's nonsense.

They 100% would be thinking about the kind of adaptation something is going to be prior to a specific episode if such an adaptation was planned to exist. They are likely keenly aware that the manga references its own past events all the time.

Also, we're posting in a thread about projects rumored to be in the works. There's a possibility that something is at least in pre-production, which entails some degree of story planning. Whether that's 2uper or whatever is anyone's guess.

These are creative people capable of creating original animated series not based on a prior work.

Cool.

You're still advocating for an awful lot of extra work to circumvent things I don't think anyone actually intends to circumvent.

We'll see what they wind up doing, but I'd be genuinely surprised if I'm wrong. I bet they'll leave all these references intact even if they do skip all the old manga arcs, assuming there's indeed a Super continuation being planned or animated right now. There are whole ass scenes that depend on them to make sense.

Jesus fucking Christ, I'm not shitting on the comic series here

Amiga, you can shit on it if you want. I don't care. It's not relevant to what we're talking about, though, unless you think there's a point to be made about the quality.

[IntangibleFancy]

tangentially related, I just read about AJ Lee apparently writing a movie for Toei animation. And I guess that tracks with Toei wanting to globally expand

[YamiGoku]

What makes the most sense is adapting the material leading up to Moro before they get around to animating Moro.

I agree... buuut

I feel this franchise has a habit of doing stuff and not explaining it, or just hand wave over things with a bare minimum sentence.

I saw some content creators of the games memeing about Goku just having SSJ4 Goku when the Super manga Comes back with no explenation, because thats how little the people in charge of this franchise care about continuity and things like plot holes and inconsistencies.

[Koitsukai]

Are there really that many situations that would need to be rewritten because of the differences between the anime and the manga? Are those differences really so significant that making concessions becomes impossible?

Aside from that Roshi scene, which is problematic as hell and I honestly wouldn’t mind if they cut (I mean cut the entire humans vs goons part... please?), I can’t think of any other relevant manga-exclusive situations that couldn’t fit into the anime. Hell, even Goku’s angry UI mode against Jiren could be reframed as the early seed of True UI.

[The Dark Knight]

Are there really that many situations that would need to be rewritten because of the differences between the anime and the manga? Are those differences really so significant that making concessions becomes impossible?

I think a remake would be done to not only have one consistent product from start to finish, but to also give them time to come up with new stories. If a new series were to start from Broly, then they'd have a buffer of 4 arcs, but from Battle of Gods, that expands to 9.

[funrush]

What makes the most sense is adapting the material leading up to Moro before they get around to animating Moro.

I agree... buuut

I feel this franchise has a habit of doing stuff and not explaining it, or just hand wave over things with a bare minimum sentence.

I saw some content creators of the games memeing about Goku just having SSJ4 Goku when the Super manga Comes back with no explenation, because thats how little the people in charge of this franchise care about continuity and things like plot holes and inconsistencies.

Yeah until engaging on here after Toyble's comments about canon I was pretty confident that Daima was just part of the "new" timeline and they were gonna explain away some of the stuff that doesn't make sense and blatantly ignore others like the Kibitokai thing. The idea of them going back and remaking Super with one of the main intentions being to clean up the continuity is something that for the most part seems out of character. But then again maybe it was just Toriyama that didn't care about continuity and the people currently in charge do.

But there's gotta be something else to it, right? Like why remake this? To make it prettier? Is that really why they'd remake the whole thing? To make it prettier + to fix the canon and pacing doesn't seem like enough justification to me on the surface. I mean getting the whole series in DBS Broly style would be wonderful don't get me wrong, it just seems like a confusing thing to make businesswise when you could be making the new arcs instead.

What DOES make a lot more sense is that maybe it's not a REMAKE of Dragon Ball Super, it is Dragon Ball Super Kai. As in, 75%+ of the animation is from the OG Super. Tighten the pacing of Super and have a product to pump out with only a fraction of the regular animators. Fix some of the animation that looked stiff, low detail, or just plain bad. Some completely new content here or there when it makes sense to continuity wise, like SS4 Goku vs Beerus, maybe SS4 Goku vs Kale and Caulifla, maybe Ultra Vegeta 1 or SS4 Vegeta vs Beerus when he slaps Bulma. The creative team of DB will be hyped because now they can incorporate whatever Daima concepts they want into upcoming Super content without having to worry. They can slap a Tertian Oculus on Orange PIccolo's forehead without having to explain anything.

In a way it could be an ideal time to do a "Kai" of Super because a lot of those animators and animation tools used on Super are presumably still around. One Piece still uses the Tournament of Power's visual style, they could do some new TOP scenes in the same style and they could fit in so well you wouldn't notice they were made 10 years apart if you didn't know. Completely unlike in DBZKai where the redrawn bits tend to stick out.

[PhantomSaiyan]

I'm still not sure why anyone is taking the "Super remake" idea so seriously.
It came from an account on Twitter that was trolling pretending to have leaks, then went on to say shit like "they are also making Ultimate Tenkaichi 2 and Xenoverse 4" (3 still doesn't exist) so.... Why are we taking this seriously at all?

[Mr Baggins]

Are those differences really so significant that making concessions becomes impossible?

Nothing is outright impossible from a writing standpoint.

This is a pedantic technicality. But we can get technical here – it is not impossible, but exceedingly improbable and unrealistic. The answer is still yes.

You already mentioned another big discrepancy: Ultra Instinct. In stark contrast to the anime, the manga's Tournament of Power portrays it as a calm mind state. Goku's entire throughline during the Moro arc was all about learning to achieve that state again, on command and in response to anger-inducing stimuli, in order to unlock the completed silver version.

They'd have to rewrite multiple scenes and a major subplot to make all this "fit". Ain't happening.

If they adapt the Moro arc, they're going to adapt it as-is. Screencap this post.

[The Dark Knight]

But there's gotta be something else to it, right? Like why remake this? To make it prettier? Is that really why they'd remake the whole thing? To make it prettier + to fix the canon and pacing doesn't seem like enough justification to me on the surface.

If I had to guess, I'd say for the same reason they remade Battle of Gods and Resurrection F when Super started: to ensure everyone is caught up to the story by the time they get to Moro and whatever comes next. They may not want to risk people skipping the show because they have to watch 130 episodes to understand the story, as that was their reasoning for not starting Super with Champa.

It came from an account on Twitter that was trolling pretending to have leaks, then went on to say shit like "they are also making Ultimate Tenkaichi 2 and Xenoverse 4" (3 still doesn't exist) so.... Why are we taking this seriously at all?

That's not the original source of the leak; it started when one of Toei's staff (allegedly) sent out pictures of a new project to the wrong person, who then (allegedly) leaked them online. The leak is that we're getting a remake of something, whether it's the original manga, a new super series, super's arcs in the form of movies, a Kai version of Super, etc..., no one knows. The reason people are talking about it is because the more reliable Dragon Ball people are asking others to stop talking about it, so there seems to be some truth to it.

[Yuji]

If the rumor is about a "remake" period why are we jumping to Super when the original series is right there with no legal hurdles to overcome in adaptation, and the staff has already shown a liking to the idea of reanimating it both in the previous movies as well as social media?

[The Dark Knight]

If the rumor is about a "remake" period why are we jumping to Super when the original series is right there with no legal hurdles to overcome in adaptation, and the staff has already shown a liking to the idea of reanimating it both in the previous movies as well as social media?

One of the people (supposedly) in the known showed a picture of Beerus' planet and told people to keep it in mind, leading people to assume it's related to Super in some way. Toei did some kind of recut/remaster of One Piece's Fishmen Island arc, so it could also be something like that, rather than a full blown remake from the ground up.

[MCDaveG]

I don't think film-versions of the Champa, Future Trunks and Tournament of Power arcs are out of the question, considering how popular mere compilation films have been as of late. I think there's a possibility of doing some kind of new film version of those arcs with new animation, if they're looking for an easy sell where they can market 'improved animation' for arcs that were generally well-received—especially the Tournament of Power.

IMHO TOP was actually the only part of Super that was actually OK by TV standards, and didn't look like crap with occasional moment of almost hitting the par, like the previous arcs... but they can definitely improve on the writing and pacing side, with better production quality.
That sounds sweet.

The only issue with the movies is, that the first two arcs are labeled Z – Not a problem, updating the intro title card in movie and on the covers and they can go for extra cash and piss off some collectors with re-releasing it as a batch together with the new adaptations someday in the future. Labeling everything as Z while it is Super adaptation would be even bigger chaos. But yeah, that's probably the only issue, otherwise, as stated before, I'd take compilation/remake movies of the Super manga with 2 hour duration and bigger production quality any day, then sit through hours of mid TV production again.

[MCDaveG]

If the rumor is about a "remake" period why are we jumping to Super when the original series is right there with no legal hurdles to overcome in adaptation, and the staff has already shown a liking to the idea of reanimating it both in the previous movies as well as social media?

One of the people (supposedly) in the known showed a picture of Beerus' planet and told people to keep it in mind, leading people to assume it's related to Super in some way. Toei did some kind of recut/remaster of One Piece's Fishmen Island arc, so it could also be something like that, rather than a full blown remake from the ground up.

Thank god, the Fishmen arc is the moment when I quit watching One Piece years ago.
There will also be web series that is a new remake of East Blue arc that is rumored to be short with on point pacing and true to the manga. Currently on rewatch as my son likes pirates and singing shanties...
Would be awesome to get all the older arcs remade for rewatch, as going through 1000+ episodes is tedious.
While I have to aknowledge, that OP's filler episodes fit better and actually look quite seamless, make more sense and are less disruptive than the slogfest in DBZ and I really enjoy how they work with the cast in OP, the pacing is tedious and while the arcs are well written, they are too long. Personally, OP ended with The Summit War for me as it was a huge event, but with the prognosis on when will it end and the format, I was super tired and fatigued going forward and Fishmen arc turned me off completely (If someone thinks that Pan in GT is annoying and obnoxious, the Fishmen princess steals the show... I can't stand her character and portrayal).
I really hope, that One Piece doesn't end up like Saint Seiya did. The OG manga is fine, the official spin-of sequel went for so long, that it basically rethreaded the same 12 Zodiac Houses arc, with some original twists but few and there between, ending in the half of the story, as it should've branched off into a full fledged sequel and Olympus Wars (will probably never happen...), in the meantime, another spin-off adapted the almost exact same story and managed to end years before the OG, with tons of other uninspired spin-offs serving the same stuff, with different art. I won't mention the anime projects, as the original is cult classic with it's own flaws and all the spin-offs, beside Lost Canvas that is actually quite good (which is that spin off that's basically a prequel and the same story the original author did to an extent and got cancelled halfway through.), are shit. Omega is like Dragon Ball GT, but made by Sailor Moon fans doing heavy drugs and mixing in Roman mythology for some reason – probably not to step on the "canon" Greek myths as Next Dimension was ongoing, but it doesn't make any sense in-universe.

Which leads me to on-topic, that remake of the whole manga might be the best thing if done properly and will built upon what makes the manga great. I will of course have a trouble, as the atmosphere will be different and I will always cherish that moment, I saw DBZ by chance on TV as a kid and the artwork, music and structure was an instant hit. For me, DB will always have Kikuchi soundtrack, no matter what.
Same as with Saint Seiya and Seiji Yokoyama, both maestros R. I. P., but! If done with respect, which is something that SS has managed to do, by bringing in Toshihiko Sahashi from the Gundam Seed and Kamen Rider fame, it might work.

I always liked the music in that Bardock sequel special and the new Plan To Eradicate the Super Saiyans that going into Kai's last chapters and Super and hearing that experimental, jazzy synth take of Norihito Sumitomo was super alienating for me. I still don't kinda like it for few exceptions as it's rather all over the place – in comparison to One Piece, that is also mixing styles, experiments at times, but is consistent and cohesive.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I don't think film-versions of the Champa, Future Trunks and Tournament of Power arcs are out of the question, considering how popular mere compilation films have been as of late. I think there's a possibility of doing some kind of new film version of those arcs with new animation, if they're looking for an easy sell where they can market 'improved animation' for arcs that were generally well-received—especially the Tournament of Power.

IMHO TOP was actually the only part of Super that was actually OK by TV standards, and didn't look like crap with occasional moment of almost hitting the par, like the previous arcs... but they can definitely improve on the writing and pacing side, with better production quality.
That sounds sweet.

The only issue with the movies is, that the first two arcs are labeled Z – Not a problem, updating the intro title card in movie and on the covers and they can go for extra cash and piss off some collectors with re-releasing it as a batch together with the new adaptations someday in the future. Labeling everything as Z while it is Super adaptation would be even bigger chaos. But yeah, that's probably the only issue, otherwise, as stated before, I'd take compilation/remake movies of the Super manga with 2 hour duration and bigger production quality any day, then sit through hours of mid TV production again.

The problem is this is the complete reverse mindset that TOEI went into Super with. Instead of retelling movies as arcs so they could sell a new series as a complete whole this would be going back to having movies leading into a series. If TOEI want a consistent product the ideal solution would be to retell the Super arcs, but this time shorter, like 5-6 episodes and then we can quickly get to the new material. It would also be less strain on the ageing voice actors to not have to do hundreds of episodes again.

[Cipher]

Would basically only be excited for a return of the Super manga at this point, or an animated adaptation of its later arcs.

EDIT--Or a remake of Super/manga adaptation, which actually does make some sense as a build-up to new material. I've theorized before that you could easily get through the ToP in under 52 episodes, and that's including BoG/RoF adaptations (again!). You could bring audiences back up to speed in under a year while promising new material and also getting to market the entire thing as a new adaptation of never-before-animated Toriyama DB material, given his supervisory manga role.

A remake of the original would earn some passive curiosity, but there's a lot that makes early DB, uh...hard to adapt in 2025.

[The Dark Knight]

I've theorized before that you could easily get through the ToP in under 52 episodes, and that's including BoG/RoF adaptations (again!).

Battle of Gods was 14 episodes, which can easily be cut down to 5-6.
Resurrection F was 12 episodes, which can also be cut down to 5-6.
That's 10-12 episodes instead of the 26 we got in Super's original run.

The Chanpa arc was 14 episodes, which I believe can be cut down to 10 at least.
The Black arc was 21 episodes, which can be reduced to 15 or even less.
That's roughly 25 episodes for the two arcs instead of the 35 we got the first time around.

The lead up to the tournament of power was 20 episodes, which is insane; that can easily be cut down to 5-7.
The actual tournament was also insane at 35 episodes, which I think can easily be cut down to 20 or even less.
That's an estimated 25 episodes instead of the wasted 55 we got originally.

All in all, the entirely of the original Super anime could be retold in 50-60 episodes instead of the 130 we got back when it first aired.

[JulieYBM]

I mean, I don't necessarily think that turning Battle of Gods and Ressurection F into 27 episodes of television was a bad idea, so much as it was one where there were a lot of restrictions on what the production crew was able to do and that harmed those episodes. Had they baked more character arcs into those scripts and also had the time to properly storyboard and animate those episodes the drama of them could have been even stronger than the movies.

That being said, I'd probably do both films as six episode arcs written with building towards where each character winds up in the Tournament of Power and beyond in mind. Well, in terms of Gohan, I would just ignore Super Hero because the 2015 animated series wrote him far better in the Tournament of Power and if I'm stuck with him, I'd rather go with how Tomioka Atsuhiro wrote him there and literally gave him his best fight of the entire franchise lol.

I think the Universe Six arc works best as a six episode arc and then the Future Trunks arc as eight or nine episodes. I've actually got a detailed outline for how I'd redo Dragon Ball Super lying around on one of my hard drives somewhere, but I wrote it, like, five years ago, so I'd be a little embarrassed to just dig it up now lol.

The Tournament of Power arc could be done in any number of ways, but I think integrating the recruitment scenes as flashbacks to break up the fighting works best. Like, begin the first episode with the tournament already in play and then dramatically cut back to the recruitment scenes so that the audience doesn't get action fatigue. This would also help cut down on the number of episodes lol.

If we look at the Tournament of Power as being 'three acts' in this regard, I think it would also be possible to structure it as films, too.

Act I: The beginning of the tournament. Ends with Ultra Instinct -Sign- being defeated by Jiren.
Act II: Mostly telling the story of Kale, Caulifla, and other fighters. The film ends with Kefla defeated.
Act III: The latter half of the tournament, Jiren and Toppo's back stories are woven into the narrative and Jiren is the POV character, so when the film ends he—as the main character—comes away with a complete arc. Basically, a more fleshout version of what we see in Episode #131, through Ishitani Megumi's directing.

[Vegard Aune]

They'd have to rewrite multiple scenes and a major subplot to make all this "fit". Ain't happening.

If they adapt the Moro arc, they're going to adapt it as-is. Screencap this post.

And therefore... the more practical and realistic option... is a ground-up remake of a 131 episode (Sure, the hypothetical remake would likely be a lot less than that but still) TV series? With completely new animation, scripting, voice acting, storyboarding etc, all done from scratch? When to this day we've not even gotten so much as a Kai-style re-edit for the first sixteen volumes of the manga, let alone a full remake? This is all more likely to you than them rewriting the specific criteria for Goku attaining a stable version of Ultra Instinct, or the Turtle Sage to come up with the idea of fighting blindfolded in a fight that, at its most basic level, only exists so that he can have something to do, which you could completely omit without it affecting anything else going on? The only from-the-ground-up remakes I can recall Toei even doing at all would be reanimating Battle of Gods and Resurrection F, which was a... questionable decision to begin with, them redoing Sailor Moon, where the old anime was so wildly different from the manga that it genuinely needed to be done over from scratch to work at all, and the odd single movie or TV special adapting a smaller portion of a longer series.

Am I saying a full from-the-ground-up remake is impossible? No. Obviously not. I don't have access to the thought processes of the higher-ups at Shueisha, Capsule Corp, or whoever else would be involved in making these decisions. But these are businesses we're dealing with, whose primary objective is not to tell compelling stories, but to make money. And I think both restarting Super and just starting with Broly or Moro, and a full-on remake of Toriyama's Dragon Ball, both make far more sense than for them to go back to the drawing board for Dragon Ball Super specifically, to make a new show that tells mostly the same story as the old show, just adhering more closely to what Toyotaro wrote so that they can then later adapt Moro and Granolah easier without either needing to rewrite things or introduce plot holes by referencing events that never happened in the show. Especially seeing how DBS was envisioned first as an anime anyway, with the manga being just a tie-in that just eventually took on a life of its own.