Dragon Ball Genkida Matsuri 2026 DBS remaster, DBS galactic patrol arc, Age 1000 announced.

[JulieYBM]

They'd have to rewrite multiple scenes and a major subplot to make all this "fit". Ain't happening.

If they adapt the Moro arc, they're going to adapt it as-is. Screencap this post.

And therefore... the more practical and realistic option... is a ground-up remake of a 131 episode (Sure, the hypothetical remake would likely be a lot less than that but still) TV series? With completely new animation, scripting, voice acting, storyboarding etc, all done from scratch? When to this day we've not even gotten so much as a Kai-style re-edit for the first sixteen volumes of the manga, let alone a full remake? This is all more likely to you than them rewriting the specific criteria for Goku attaining a stable version of Ultra Instinct, or the Turtle Sage to come up with the idea of fighting blindfolded in a fight that, at its most basic level, only exists so that he can have something to do, which you could completely omit without it affecting anything else going on? The only from-the-ground-up remakes I can recall Toei even doing at all would be reanimating Battle of Gods and Resurrection F, which was a... questionable decision to begin with, them redoing Sailor Moon, where the old anime was so wildly different from the manga that it genuinely needed to be done over from scratch to work at all, and the odd single movie or TV special adapting a smaller portion of a longer series.

Am I saying a full from-the-ground-up remake is impossible? No. Obviously not. I don't have access to the thought processes of the higher-ups at Shueisha, Capsule Corp, or whoever else would be involved in making these decisions. But these are businesses we're dealing with, whose primary objective is not to tell compelling stories, but to make money. And I think both restarting Super and just starting with Broly or Moro, and a full-on remake of Toriyama's Dragon Ball, both make far more sense than for them to go back to the drawing board for Dragon Ball Super specifically, to make a new show that tells mostly the same story as the old show, just adhering more closely to what Toyotaro wrote so that they can then later adapt Moro and Granolah easier without either needing to rewrite things or introduce plot holes by referencing events that never happened in the show. Especially seeing how DBS was envisioned first as an anime anyway, with the manga being just a tie-in that just eventually took on a life of its own.

Yeah, it makes a lot more sense to just start off from where the Tournament of Power left off in that regard. They'd probably adapt the Toriyama script into a 6-10 episode long Broly arc, considering the original movie was storyboarded for 170 minutes, and then continue onward with Moro, Granola, Super Hero and then whatever was planned for after Super Hero. It's a kids cartoon from Toei that airs on Fuji TV, so I kind of expect them to want to turn Moro and Granola into two cour arcs each. The Broly and Super Hero arcs would probably be fleshed out to a cour each, too, so that would leave them with a year and a half of episodes. If they want to do two years, though, they would probably do anime-original episodes or use whatever material they were allowed to from Toriyama's notes.

[FlpShimizu]

You guys are making me dream of Dragon Ball returning (again)....

I'm tired of getting hurt goddammit.

[The Dark Knight]

SsjG And SsjB Goku figures announced for June and July of next year; interesting timing.

[Mr Baggins]

And therefore... the more practical and realistic option... is a ground-up remake of a 131 episode (Sure, the hypothetical remake would likely be a lot less than that but still) TV series? With completely new animation, scripting, voice acting, storyboarding etc, all done from scratch?

That's such an absurd framing of what I said that I almost don't want to entertain it.

First of all, anime adaptations are not "ground-up remakes"; that's a ridiculous assertion. For most adaptations, the bulk of the story and dialogue is already written, then an animation studio comes in to build upon and translate all of that for a TV audience. Studios do this for no other reason than manga publishers commissioning that work, or because they reached out to the publisher first because they're passionate about the material. That's all the reason you'd need for this to happen.

Secondly, whether you like it or not, the Moro arc was written for the manga and its continuity. To answer your question after correcting your misframing of it – yes, you demanding widespread foundational changes for an arc that was written to be a continuation of the manga's storyline just to cohere with a completely different storyline it was never intended for is considerably less reasonable than just adapting the manga directly. No, you cannot have your cake and eat it too.

This holds true regardless of whether they cover the older story arcs or not. The Broly movie certainly gave zero fucks about contradicting non-Toriyama stuff from the 2015 anime, so it's not like we don't have a clear precedent for a scenario where they potentially adapt Moro faithfully without necessarily going through prior material as well.

Either way, some of y'all are going to wild lengths to try and obfuscate something that's pretty standard practice in the industry, so I'll say it again. What you suggest almost certainly isn't going to happen. I understand that you might personally want this to happen, but the things that we want aren't always realistic, plausible, or standard.

And just to footnote all of this, I will reiterate once again that this is all hypothetical at the moment. None of us know what projects are in store or what exactly is going on behind the scenes.

[PhantomSaiyan]

You guys are making me dream of Dragon Ball returning (again)....

I'm tired of getting hurt goddammit.

Don't worry, regardless of how long we have to wait, it WILL return at some point in some form. It's one of the biggest franchises ever, and it moves a lot of money, so its return is guaranteed imo.

[JulieYBM]

It's like I say all the time: go pay attention to your other hobbies for a while and Dragon Ball will sneak back up on you before you even know it.

[SupremeKai25]

What I want from this "leak" (if it is credible in any way) is two things:

1) Cutting down the bloat:

Spoiler:

Let's talk about the Future Trunks saga. There's a lot of bloating with that infamous Trunks-Mai love triangle that is irrelevant. That Gohan-centric episode, while cute, didn't really add anything substantial to the story. Gohan could be incorporated into the story in a more organic way to set-up his cameo at the end. Lastly, they should go the Future twice instead of thrice. In the anime, the second trip could be incorporated into the first as the only things that "change" are the revelations that Black is Zamasu and not a Goku clone and Super Saiyan Rage.


As for the Tournament of Power saga, there's a lot of episodes that are rather boring and bloated with irrelevant fights and scenes. All the episodes after the Goku vs. Jiren OVA are fine. A lot of the bloating is in the lead-up to the Tournament and in the first part of the tournament, before Jiren really does anything. There's a lot of things you could do there to make that saga feel more streamlined while not off-screening major fighters like the manga did.

2) New original content that fleshes out some of the things in the original series that could have been explored better.

Spoiler:

For instance, while I like the ending of the FT saga more than most people, I also think it would be cool to have another Trunks special episode where we see him actually visit the new timeline and get closure with the souls of his family and friends and really highlight that this is ultimately a happy ending, that he could finally create a world of peace. Another example would be fleshing out that Genkidama move Trunks did, I think you could have a meaningful interaction between Trunks and Goku that sets up the Genkidama move, finally confirms the headcanon we've all had that Rage is Trunks absorbing some God energy from Goku, and also just fleshes out the friendship between Goku and Trunks.

[Vegard Aune]

First of all, anime adaptations are not "ground-up remakes"; that's a ridiculous assertion. For most adaptations, the bulk of the story and dialogue is already written, then an animation studio comes in to build upon and translate all of that for a TV audience. Studios do this for no other reason than manga publishers commissioning that work, or because they reached out to the publisher first because they're passionate about the material. That's all the reason you'd need for this to happen.

"Ground-up" as in literally all the animation would be done from scratch, and manga panels do not on their own serve as a replacement for storyboards, and character designs have to be reworked to work in animation, and they still need to re-record all the dialogue. It would, in fact, be making a brand new product.

[JulieYBM]

First of all, anime adaptations are not "ground-up remakes"; that's a ridiculous assertion. For most adaptations, the bulk of the story and dialogue is already written, then an animation studio comes in to build upon and translate all of that for a TV audience. Studios do this for no other reason than manga publishers commissioning that work, or because they reached out to the publisher first because they're passionate about the material. That's all the reason you'd need for this to happen.

"Ground-up" as in literally all the animation would be done from scratch, and manga panels do not on their own serve as a replacement for storyboards, and character designs have to be reworked to work in animation, and they still need to re-record all the dialogue. It would, in fact, be making a brand new product.

And just to add on to your point: story meeting would have to be had about what they want to occur in each episode, then scripts would have to be written based on those notes.

[Vegard Aune]

"Ground-up" as in literally all the animation would be done from scratch, and manga panels do not on their own serve as a replacement for storyboards, and character designs have to be reworked to work in animation, and they still need to re-record all the dialogue. It would, in fact, be making a brand new product.

And just to add on to your point: story meeting would have to be had about what they want to occur in each episode, then scripts would have to be written based on those notes.

Yup. A process that would happen for any anime, and therefore such meetings would also happen for the hypothetical Moro-based sequel to the anime we already have, and therein they may very well just discuss "Hey, Kuririn asks the Turtle Sage why he doesn't use the same technique he fought Jiren with here, but the Turtle Sage never fought Jiren in the show. Shouldn't we change that?" or "Hey, the way Ultra Instinct is presented here doesn't really match what we did before, how do we square that?" or "Hey, Goku references having previously tried to use Beerus's technique, but he never did that, though?"


...And yes, it is indeed entirely possible that they just keep it exactly as it was in the manga and ignore the plot holes that causes. Sort of like that time Toei gave Hody Jones in One Piece a PTSD flashback about that time he and his friends were nearly abducted by human slavers, which they then completely ignored when they later got to the manga reveal that Hody has never experienced anti-Fishman racism at all and that his hatred for humans was 100% the result of indoctrination. That is indeed a thing for which there is precedent. But the way I see it, the most likely outcomes here would be, in descending order:
1: The Moro and Granolah arcs are adapted, generally adhering to what Toyotaro wrote but with some expansions and tweaks, be that for time, for streamlining of the plot, or to address inconsistencies that would occur from just adapting it straight.)
2: They just stick to exactly what Toyotaro wrote, regardless of how that clashes with what previously happened on TV.
3: They make a whole new anime that uses the manga as a basis.

And the difference in probability between 2 and 3 is pretty enormous.

[Mr Baggins]

I'm well aware of the processes adhered to by animation studios. What I actually said, for those that read my post, is that it'd not be inherently different than any other initiative pushing for a conventional adaptation of other source material.

Of course it would be a new product. Such a product would also be well within industry expectations, without the need for potentially foundation breaking alterations.

I think my points have all been sufficiently made at this juncture, so I don't feel the need to add anything further.

[funrush]

There's a lot of bloating with that infamous Trunks-Mai love triangle that is irrelevant.

If they're actually reanimating the whole thing and not just the Kai treatment, then I would rather they cut out the Trunks/Mai dynamic entirely. From all arcs. Watching the show play with this idea of a 12 year old dating a 50 year old disguised as a 12 year old was never cute or funny to me. Maybe one day I'll change my mind and think "nah that shit was funny" but it's been a whole decade and I still think it's just cringe.

[JulieYBM]

There's a lot of bloating with that infamous Trunks-Mai love triangle that is irrelevant.

If they're actually reanimating the whole thing and not just the Kai treatment, then I would rather they cut out the Trunks/Mai dynamic entirely. From all arcs. Watching the show play with this idea of a 12 year old dating a 50 year old disguised as a 12 year old was never cute or funny to me. Maybe one day I'll change my mind and think "nah that shit was funny" but it's been a whole decade and I still think it's just cringe.

Yeah, I agree. To go a step further, I could honestly do without the Pilaf Gang showing up at all in a full-on new telling of these Super era story arcs. They don't really contribute anything all that important that can't be handled by someone else. A bigger cast doesn't always mean better, after all!

[SupremeKai25]

There's a lot of eye-rolling filler in the Super anime. The Pilaf gang example is the most obvious one.

If there's a "DBS Kai" then they should work to reduce that, or cut it out entirely.

But honestly I'd keep filler content that is original and actually hilarious, like the Yamcha baseball episode or that cute episode about Gohan and Videl.

One of the main positives people have to say about Super, after all, is that it has some genuinely interesting filler episodes in-between the main arcs.

[Vegard Aune]

Pilaf & Co. will always be baffling to me because... in the Beerus arc, they somehow managed to vastly increase their screentime while actively avoiding everything that made their presence in the movie even slightly justified. No explanation at all for why they're kids, no acknowledgement that they have history with Goku and the rest, no meaningful interactions with the rest of the crew, no hostage situation which was the closest thing they got in the movie to actually being important (Which is to say, some plot- and character progression happened in that scene, in addition to it facilitating a fun Gohan moment with the Drunk Saiyaman)... And then after that I think they've only really mattered at all in the Future Trunks arc? And even then it was just Mai? (Which, yeah, the Mai and Trunks thing will never not be creepy. Please stop.) At least I think Manga Pilaf's lone contribution at the end where he was like "Hey I'm actually really smart and figured out a way to get back to Future Trunks's world after all despite us previously stating it would no longer be possible" was a Toyotaro original, and I don't recall anything like that happening in the show? But I could be wrong on that, given that I have not actually watched Super since it came out.

It really is kind of comical how easily you can just completely cut them and almost nothing outside of the Future Trunks arc would need to change to accommodate their removal. They really are just kinda... there just to be there.

[MasenkoHA]

Pilaf & Co. will always be baffling to me because... in the Beerus arc, they somehow managed to vastly increase their screentime while actively avoiding everything that made their presence in the movie even slightly justified. No explanation at all for why they're kids, no acknowledgement that they have history with Goku and the rest, no meaningful interactions with the rest of the crew, no hostage situation which was the closest thing they got in the movie to actually being important (Which is to say, some plot- and character progression happened in that scene, in addition to it facilitating a fun Gohan moment with the Drunk Saiyaman)... And then after that I think they've only really mattered at all in the Future Trunks arc? And even then it was just Mai? (Which, yeah, the Mai and Trunks thing will never not be creepy. Please stop.) At least I think Manga Pilaf's lone contribution at the end where he was like "Hey I'm actually really smart and figured out a way to get back to Future Trunks's world after all despite us previously stating it would no longer be possible" was a Toyotaro original, and I don't recall anything like that happening in the show? But I could be wrong on that, given that I have not actually watched Super since it came out.

It really is kind of comical how easily you can just completely cut them and almost nothing outside of the Future Trunks arc would need to change to accommodate their removal. They really are just kinda... there just to be there.

It’s especially odd because in the grand scheme of things; the Pilaf gang really weren’t in the original manga all that much. They don’t appear until the Shen Long arc’s endgame as the final obstacle, then they don’t appear again until the end of the Red Ribbon saga and then their last appearance is in the Daimao arc when they’re disposed of after Piccolo regains his youth and are never seen again in the manga.

Even with the 1986 anime greatly increasing their roles to make them the most prominent villains in the original series they’re never seen in Z and only at the very beginning of GT to pull the trigger on the premise.


I guess Toriyama just really overestimated how much fans liked those characters? They were originally supposed to be generic thieves after the dragon balls in the original pre-Toriyama treatment of BOG iirc

[JulieYBM]

I guess Toriyama just really overestimated how much fans liked those characters? They were originally supposed to be generic thieves after the dragon balls in the original pre-Toriyama treatment of BOG iirc

I think it was a case of Toriyama freshly rereading the comic to prepare to rewrite the Battle of Gods script, wanting to do something as a nostalgic "Where are they now?" bit and then just continuing on by making the next film such a direct sequel of sorts. They definitely over-stayed their welcome, though.

[MasenkoHA]

I guess Toriyama just really overestimated how much fans liked those characters? They were originally supposed to be generic thieves after the dragon balls in the original pre-Toriyama treatment of BOG iirc

I think it was a case of Toriyama freshly rereading the comic to prepare to rewrite the Battle of Gods script, wanting to do something as a nostalgic "Where are they now?" bit and then just continuing on by making the next film such a direct sequel of sorts. They definitely over-stayed their welcome, though.

Yeah the Trunks/Mai ship in particular feels like a joke that eventually got taken seriously. In BoG it was just kind of “oh haha Trunks has a crush on a girl his age who is actually a middle aged woman” then they decided to have Mai reciprocate and pair them off as they got older even in a timeline where I’m not sure it makes sense for the Pilaf gang to have ever been de-aged

[JulieYBM]

I guess Toriyama just really overestimated how much fans liked those characters? They were originally supposed to be generic thieves after the dragon balls in the original pre-Toriyama treatment of BOG iirc

I think it was a case of Toriyama freshly rereading the comic to prepare to rewrite the Battle of Gods script, wanting to do something as a nostalgic "Where are they now?" bit and then just continuing on by making the next film such a direct sequel of sorts. They definitely over-stayed their welcome, though.

Yeah the Trunks/Mai ship in particular feels like a joke that eventually got taken seriously. In BoG it was just kind of “oh haha Trunks has a crush on a girl his age who is actually a middle aged woman” then they decided to have Mai reciprocate and pair them off as they got older even in a timeline where I’m not sure it makes sense for the Pilaf gang to have ever been de-aged

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the pairing at all in that respect and it just comes across as really bland and arbitrary and I kind of really hate how the rest of the franchise has latched onto it.

[funrush]

I don't mind the Pilaf gang being around as comic relief, I haven't seen Battle of Gods in a long time but I remember them being kinda funny. It's just the Trunks/Mai stuff specifically that feels gross.