MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection! (Updated 12/31/25!)

[The Dark Knight]

My biggest complaint is that it's just so fucking ugly.

Tadayoshi Yamamuro went from being one of the best additions to the classic era of Z, to the absolute worst part of the modern era. He's a great example of someone either retiring a hero, or living long enough to see himself become the problem. My understanding is that he did some work on Daima, so he is capable of putting out decent work, just not when he's the one calling the shots.

[Scsigs]

As much as I dislike Resurrection ‘F’, I could never get behind the complaints about Vegeta not getting to be the one to kill Freeza. Ignoring the fact that Vegeta isn’t supposed to be the main character, I don’t see what makes him “deserving” of it. Yeah, he had a long history with Freeza, but he was more or less just as bad as him. He wasn’t some tortured victim. He didn’t even care that Freeza killed his people. He just didn’t like having to play second fiddle to him.

Anyway, my opinion on the movie has pretty much remained unchanged after all these years. It’s bad. It’s boring. It has virtually nothing to offer beyond shallow spectacle. It’s a step down from BoG in pretty much every conceivable way.

Gohan was intended to be the new protagonist back when he defeated Cell, but regardless, that wasn’t my primary point.

It was repeatedly stated during the Freeza saga that Vegeta could not care less about his people. The Broly movie only further reaffirmed this. He didn’t hate Freeza out of some desire to avenge the Saiyan race. He hated Freeza because working for him was an insult to his pride.

Fucking what? He told Goku to kill Freeza as he was dying on Namek in the name of the Saiyans, even went the extra mile to tell him how much like their race he is. Did you even watch those scenes? Like, isn't 1 of the points of why Vegeta betrays Freeza that Dodoria tells him about it & he has even more motivation to kill Freeza? Like, I agree that he didn't wanna play second fiddle to Freeza because that's his motivation for going to Earth, then Namek in the hope to wish for immortality from the Dragon Balls, but his race becomes a secondary motivation. The whole point of Dodoria telling Vegeta about that was to add emotional stakes for Vegeta outside of his own selfish wants.

As for Vegeta getting the kill, it matters because Goku got the win the last time he & Freeza fought, then Trunks killed Freeza when he showed up on Earth after that so he couldn't get his vengeance. They even set up for Vegeta to get the win, then stripped it away from him at the last second twice in quick succession. Freeza wiped out the Saiyans & Planet Vegeta & lied to Vegeta about it for 2 decades & the only person to really fully care about that shit would be Vegeta. It's just really disappointing because, as an audience member, you're given an emotional connection to 1 of Vegeta's motivations to wanna take down Freeza & it's really disappointing to take away the second chance Vegeta has at getting his vengeance. Even if you wanna say that Vegeta himself doesn't care, which I find hard to believe that he doesn't, you can't fault an audience member for caring & wanting a thematic & emotionally satisfying ending to that.

[WittyUsername]

As much as I dislike Resurrection ‘F’, I could never get behind the complaints about Vegeta not getting to be the one to kill Freeza. Ignoring the fact that Vegeta isn’t supposed to be the main character, I don’t see what makes him “deserving” of it. Yeah, he had a long history with Freeza, but he was more or less just as bad as him. He wasn’t some tortured victim. He didn’t even care that Freeza killed his people. He just didn’t like having to play second fiddle to him.

Anyway, my opinion on the movie has pretty much remained unchanged after all these years. It’s bad. It’s boring. It has virtually nothing to offer beyond shallow spectacle. It’s a step down from BoG in pretty much every conceivable way.

Gohan was intended to be the new protagonist back when he defeated Cell, but regardless, that wasn’t my primary point.

It was repeatedly stated during the Freeza saga that Vegeta could not care less about his people. The Broly movie only further reaffirmed this. He didn’t hate Freeza out of some desire to avenge the Saiyan race. He hated Freeza because working for him was an insult to his pride.

Fucking what? He told Goku to kill Freeza as he was dying on Namek in the name of the Saiyans, even went the extra mile to tell him how much like their race he is. Did you even watch those scenes? Like, isn't 1 of the points of why Vegeta betrays Freeza that Dodoria tells him about it & he has even more motivation to kill Freeza? Like, I agree that he didn't wanna play second fiddle to Freeza because that's his motivation for going to Earth, then Namek in the hope to wish for immortality from the Dragon Balls, but his race becomes a secondary motivation. The whole point of Dodoria telling Vegeta about that was to add emotional stakes for Vegeta outside of his own selfish wants.

As for Vegeta getting the kill, it matters because Goku got the win the last time he & Freeza fought, then Trunks killed Freeza when he showed up on Earth after that so he couldn't get his vengeance. They even set up for Vegeta to get the win, then stripped it away from him at the last second twice in quick succession. Freeza wiped out the Saiyans & Planet Vegeta & lied to Vegeta about it for 2 decades & the only person to really fully care about that shit would be Vegeta. It's just really disappointing because, as an audience member, you're given an emotional connection to 1 of Vegeta's motivations to wanna take down Freeza & it's really disappointing to take away the second chance Vegeta has at getting his vengeance. Even if you wanna say that Vegeta himself doesn't care, which I find hard to believe that he doesn't, you can't fault an audience member for caring & wanting a thematic & emotionally satisfying ending to that.

Vegeta specifically told Dodoria that he did not give a damn about his people or even his family. He was angry that Freeza used him. He wasn’t trying to avenge the Saiyans, he was trying to avenge his pride. Goku also points this out as he’s burying Vegeta.

If Vegeta truly cared about his race, he wouldn’t have shot down the idea of reviving Raditz, nor would he have gleefully murdered Nappa for no real reason. Again, even in the Broly movie, child Vegeta is shown to be completely nonchalant upon hearing the news that his planet was destroyed

[taikufuru]

Vegeta being prevented from killing Freeza makes sense within the film. There's no build-up to Vegeta actually being the one to defeat Freeza, unless you give in to your impulses as a fan of the character (and I love Vegeta).

It was all too easy. It was obvious there would be a twist. He was also more concerned with punishing and mocking Freeza than actually killing him and saving the day. That's what Whis means by him always "overthinking things." He could have been objective and killed him, but he only showed wounded ego while fighting.

According to the script, the entire sequence where Goku interrupts Vegeta and kills Freeza has Akira Toriyama's comedic timing, but unfortunately, Tadayoshi Yamamuro was the director of that film. He didn't capture it very accurately.

[The Dark Knight]

Vegeta being prevented from killing Freeza makes sense within the film. There's no build-up to Vegeta actually being the one to defeat Freeza, unless you give in to your impulses as a fan of the character (and I love Vegeta).

I think fans would've overlooked Vegeta not getting the kill if he actually got to fight Freeza. We spent over 10 minutes with the secondary characters fighting Freeza's goons, yet Vegeta, the second main character of the movie, got less than 30 seconds of fighting time with Freeza. Who on earth thought that was a good idea ? No one would've complained had the length of his fight been similar to that of his fight with Broly for example.

[Scsigs]

I think fans would've overlooked Vegeta not getting the kill if he actually got to fight Freeza. We spent over 10 minutes with the secondary characters fighting Freeza's goons, yet Vegeta, the second main character of the movie, got less than 30 seconds of fighting time with Freeza. Who on earth thought that was a good idea ? No one would've complained had the length of his fight been similar to that of his fight with Broly for example.

I think this would've been a good idea as well. Like, I get Goku fighting him & all, but Vegeta getting an actual fight in with Freeza would've been nice. Him handing Freeza the long-awaited beatdown he wanted to hand him years before on Namek would've been so satisfying to see in its own right rather than taking him on after Goku fought him & he was fatigued from both that & his golden form's energy burning out on him.

[taikufuru]

Vegeta being prevented from killing Freeza makes sense within the film. There's no build-up to Vegeta actually being the one to defeat Freeza, unless you give in to your impulses as a fan of the character (and I love Vegeta).

I think fans would've overlooked Vegeta not getting the kill if he actually got to fight Freeza. We spent over 10 minutes with the secondary characters fighting Freeza's goons, yet Vegeta, the second main character of the movie, got less than 30 seconds of fighting time with Freeza. Who on earth thought that was a good idea ? No one would've complained had the length of his fight been similar to that of his fight with Broly for example.

I disagree. My main criticism of Dragon Ball Super: Broly is that they feel the need to give each character a huge fight as if there's no need for a dramatic arc or pacing adjustment. It's no coincidence that they waste 15-20 minutes of Goku and Vegeta fighting separately, then when they finally fight together, it lasts 30 SECONDS. It's a fatal mistake because the very fact that Goku and Vegeta fight together and can't handle Broly would be the ideal motivation for the fusion. However, it's so short that it feels like they didn't even try.

I think you're going against the grain of the film's own theme. Goku and Vegeta should have killed Freeza right away and ignored sentimental notions and ego during that fight. Simply prolonging the fight between Vegeta and Freeza only makes Vegeta even more irresponsible.

[Koitsukai]

Vegeta being prevented from killing Freeza makes sense within the film. There's no build-up to Vegeta actually being the one to defeat Freeza, unless you give in to your impulses as a fan of the character (and I love Vegeta).

I think fans would've overlooked Vegeta not getting the kill if he actually got to fight Freeza. We spent over 10 minutes with the secondary characters fighting Freeza's goons, yet Vegeta, the second main character of the movie, got less than 30 seconds of fighting time with Freeza. Who on earth thought that was a good idea ? No one would've complained had the length of his fight been similar to that of his fight with Broly for example.

I disagree. My main criticism of Dragon Ball Super: Broly is that they feel the need to give each character a huge fight as if there's no need for a dramatic arc or pacing adjustment. It's no coincidence that they waste 15-20 minutes of Goku and Vegeta fighting separately, then when they finally fight together, it lasts 30 SECONDS. It's a fatal mistake because the very fact that Goku and Vegeta fight together and can't handle Broly would be the ideal motivation for the fusion. However, it's so short that it feels like they didn't even try.

I think you're going against the grain of the film's own theme. Goku and Vegeta should have killed Freeza right away and ignored sentimental notions and ego during that fight. Simply prolonging the fight between Vegeta and Freeza only makes Vegeta even more irresponsible.

I only disagree with the bolded part.
In fact, it being that short drives the point home even more. Broly is casually cancelling out their strongest attacks fired together as if they were just one beam, there's nothing much else to do, they can't even make him budge. I don't need an hour fighting a bear to know the fucker is out of my league.
I believe the sensation of them not even trying comes from the manga and anime coming up with new forms and boosts the movie doesn't take into account.

About Vegeta and Freeza, I agree the movie never built that up. It's only by knowing their history we want this to happen, but the movie itself never touches upon that. The build up is for Goku to defeat him, to stop being so careless which is why things went south in the first place.
However, how the movie portrayed the whole situation, it seems it is nobody's fault because even Geets was about to kill Freeza without much further ado but Freeza still managed to move faster than him and blew up the planet.

Shit, we might even say Goku deserved that kill because he failed on Namek, and Trunks beat him to the punch on Earth.

[taikufuru]

My impression that Goku and Vegeta didn't try is due to the running time. Look, they needed about 20 minutes of the film to finally decide it was time to cooperate, so they reach that conclusion so quickly. It's about rhythm.

I also don't think they need an eternity to make a decision. This is, in fact, a grotesque flaw in the climax of Dragon Ball Daima, where we have three episodes before they finally try to rip out Gomah's third eye.

My point was more about the distribution of attention. Why, instead of spending 15-20 minutes with Goku and Vegeta fighting separately beyond what's necessary, and then them fighting together for 30 seconds, why not distribute it better? Make the separate fights shorter, for example. And increase the fight between Goku and Vegeta a little. The film's running time wouldn't increase.

Returning to Resurrection 'F', I think it's a film about the vices of Vegeta, Goku, and Freeza. Each had the opportunity to do what needed to be done, but they couldn't.

Freeza only had time to destroy Earth because Vegeta had to put on a whole show and turn that situation into something about himself. And, before that, because Goku was merciful and didn't kill him outright.

Goku only survived because Freeza decided not to kill him and asked Vegeta to do it as a way to restore his wounded pride from the past betrayal, re-establishing that old power dynamic.

[nineko]

I apologise if I somehow missed this, but I don't think it's been mentioned: what is the schedule for DBD December this year? I guess it's Sunday 7th / 14th / 21st / 28th, but the fact that today is both Monday and the first day of the month made me dubious.

[Gaffer Tape]

What Is Super? - Dragon Ball Dissection

Dragon Ball Dissection December begins with the beginning of our look at Dragon Ball Super, that anime series that ended in 2018... or is it that manga series that went on hiatus in 2024? Or is it those movies? Super is complicated, so let's dissect just how complicated it is! I can't believe that I'm actually here, at a series that did not exist when I started Dragon Ball Dissection. I hope you enjoy!

I apologise if I somehow missed this, but I don't think it's been mentioned: what is the schedule for DBD December this year? I guess it's Sunday 7th / 14th / 21st / 28th, but the fact that today is both Monday and the first day of the month made me dubious.

Dragon Ball Dissection December always takes place on the 4th, 11th, 18th, 25th, and 31st, and I make the announcement and show the calendar in November's DBD. Hope that helps!

[Koitsukai]

I want to show my support after watching the Daima Rewatch video and learning about all the hate received after saying something not that divisive at all.

I do agree with your take. Perhaps due to different reasons, though. It became repetitive, and nothing new to the franchise either: a stronger person beating up a weaker person that can regenerate ad nauseam.
Having the entire crew standing by also kills the tension... like, they have so many tools at their disposal to deal with it. The whole 3-hits on the back of the head probably could've been done without having so many hiccups along the way. Can't Goku just teleport and deal those 3 hits swiftly as soon as Gomah is coming to terms with that hole in his chest?
Not knowing when to end the fight is a DB trademark (by now you know the fight ain't over after a scene like that), had the fight been over when Goku poked that hole in his chest would've made that long-ass fight not feel so pointless.


About the wish, I don't think the build up to shows us why Glorio would prioritize Arinsu over Goku-tachi was properly done. We sorta know she freed him, but there were barely enough crumbs to make it feel like an actual tough decision. I do like that Arinsu doesn't really care that much, it's funny. But the burden is on Glorio, he should be conflicted, and really, the show doesn't support him having to deal with any conflict at all.
And damn is every living shinjin an idiot?
- Arinsu delegating the key element of his plan to a spy.
- Degesu kidnapping Dende and running away instead of securing the Third eye that was actually on its way to him.
- Shin in the Buu arc.

[The Dark Knight]

I really appreciate you bringing up the passage of time in classic Dragon Ball, as like you, it was something I had never seen before in a show. The world during Pilaf was so, so different from the world during Buu, which was even more different than the world during the Shadow Dragons. It felt like a real world that changed with time, and the GT special was the cherry on top; the world kept moving on despite our heroes long since passed. This is why, despite liking some elements of Super, I can never call it "my Dragon Ball", for the simple fact that it's missing a core element of what Dragon Ball what it is. To me, Dragon Ball will always be the classic run of the 80s and 90s that began with Goku meeting Bulma, and ended with Goku leaving with Uub (or Shenron if I'm feeling generous ).

Another point you bring up that I never thought about was the difficulty one could face trying to experience Super in its entirety; there isn't a single way of doing so. You have to switch back and fourth between the movies, the series, and the manga to get the full story; that's insane. If someone wants to read Dragon Ball, they just read volumes 1-42, no need to switch to another format. If they want the story animated, they just watch Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z; no manga or movies needed. If there was ever an argument as to why Super should get an animated remake, this would be it. I should be able to experience the full story, from start to finish, in one version.

[Scsigs]

After watching this Super DBD introduction video, I decided to go back to watch some of the DBD TV videos &, man, your voice sounds really deep in the earliest ones & I'm not sure if it's because of a mic change somewhere or you becoming more lax with your delivery over time. Just something funny I thought I'd mention.

As for the Super intro video, I think you made several good points in it, the main one being that because both were running concurrently with one another adapting Toriyama's story outlines, they're 2 entirely separate products, but also converge when it comes to the last 2 movies. I think you'll probably find more than I'm aware of (because I haven't read the manga passed the Battle of Gods Arc & am only aware of the dumb shit Toyotari did towards the end of the Future Trunks Arc & some other things), but there's also both influencing the other like Goku using Super Saiyan God in the Tournament of Power in the anime like he did in the manga's Universe 6 Tournament Arc. And another point where the manga has multiple arcs that haven't been adapted into anime stories & 2 of the last 4 movies weren't properly adapted into the manga. I've often thought that Shueisha could've just had Toyotaro finish the Res F promo manga & put that out as an extra long special chapter or something to get that over with because otherwise you either need to watch the movie or watch the show's take on it (which I don't recommend if you have the choice because it sucks especially hard in that medium whereas you only need to sit for a few hours for the movie & it at least has nice animation to look at). When you have something like Super that has 2 concurrent mediums that its story is told through, but both also converge for most of the movies, it's not great for getting the whole story out of 1 product.

Another thing I have with the section of the community who prefer the Super manga over the anime is that they cite it as the "true" canonical version of the events of the arcs that were told between the anime & it, citing Toriyama helping Toyotaro out as the main reason. The problem is that the anime was what was being developed first & the manga was made as a secondary product meant to help prop it up, unlike say the Boruto manga, which was written first by the author of Naruto with someone else drawing the art & the anime just adapted it. The anime is what they expected people to consume more than the manga & no amount of "the manga did it better" arguments can take that away from it. And that's not me saying the manga doesn't do certain things better than the anime, but it's just a different take on the same materials given to Toyotaro & the anime staff from Toriyama. And there's stuff the anime does better than the manga. It's more constructive & fun to compare & contrast, tbh. And I hope your DBD series on Super will show the strengths & flaws of both so people can get a more well-rounded look at the material.

[The Dark Knight]

Another thing I have with the section of the community who prefer the Super manga over the anime is that they cite it as the "true" canonical version of the events of the arcs that were told between the anime & it, citing Toriyama helping Toyotaro out as the main reason. The problem is that the anime was what was being developed first & the manga was made as a secondary product meant to help prop it up, unlike say the Boruto manga, which was written first by the author of Naruto with someone else drawing the art & the anime just adapted it.

Another thing I would like to add to your point is that just because we know Toriyama was helping Toyotaro, it doesn't mean he wasn't helping Toei as well. Considering the anime was being developed first, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that they asked Toriyama for his input every now and then. Toriyama even said years ago that he complained about the quality of the anime, so there was clearly communication between the two parties. It's just that Toyotaro was more vocal about the process of making the manga than Toei's staff were about making the anime.

[Scsigs]

Another thing I have with the section of the community who prefer the Super manga over the anime is that they cite it as the "true" canonical version of the events of the arcs that were told between the anime & it, citing Toriyama helping Toyotaro out as the main reason. The problem is that the anime was what was being developed first & the manga was made as a secondary product meant to help prop it up, unlike say the Boruto manga, which was written first by the author of Naruto with someone else drawing the art & the anime just adapted it.

Another thing I would like to add to your point is that just because we know Toriyama was helping Toyotaro, it doesn't mean he wasn't helping Toei as well. Considering the anime was being developed first, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that they asked Toriyama for his input every now and then. Toriyama even said years ago that he complained about the quality of the anime, so there was clearly communication between the two parties. It's just that Toyotaro was more vocal about the process of making the manga than Toei's staff were about making the anime.

Toriyama provided story outlines, character designs, jokes, & notes on characterizations of the new characters. I don't think we know to what extent outside of those that he provided to the anime staff outside of him correcting them on Jiren's personality, as I believe it was them who wanted to give him a non-stoic personality early on. And we can only really judge what that stuff was from what both the manga & anime share between them that is exactly the same.

More to the point, Toriyama always had problems with how the Toei staff handled adapting his materials into the anime. That's why he made Goku act the way he did in the Android Arc, since he hated how much more heroic they made Goku (which, they were just going off of the characterization he himself wrote for Goku & it was more in non-manga material, but whatever). And because of that, it's what made the Super anime staff take Goku too far in the opposite direction where he's a flanderized idiot who's too stupid to live & doesn't take anything seriously as long as he gets a good fight, VS when Toriyama wrote Goku for the movies & Daima & he's more balanced out. I certainly hope that if they do another TV series or movie, they certainly learn how to properly balance out the different sides of Goku's personality.

[taikufuru]

Another thing I have with the section of the community who prefer the Super manga over the anime is that they cite it as the "true" canonical version of the events of the arcs that were told between the anime & it, citing Toriyama helping Toyotaro out as the main reason. The problem is that the anime was what was being developed first & the manga was made as a secondary product meant to help prop it up, unlike say the Boruto manga, which was written first by the author of Naruto with someone else drawing the art & the anime just adapted it.

Another thing I would like to add to your point is that just because we know Toriyama was helping Toyotaro, it doesn't mean he wasn't helping Toei as well. Considering the anime was being developed first, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that they asked Toriyama for his input every now and then. Toriyama even said years ago that he complained about the quality of the anime, so there was clearly communication between the two parties. It's just that Toyotaro was more vocal about the process of making the manga than Toei's staff were about making the anime.

Another thing: people seem to automatically associate Akira Toriyama's contribution on the final product to attest to it as a "canonical" continuation of the original manga, which makes no sense at all. One of the main reasons is that these same fans don't treat Neko Majin as a continuation of Dragon Ball, even though Toriyama himself wrote and illustrated it alone. Is it because it's comical and "nonsense"? Well, Dragon Ball has comical and "nonsense" elements. Furthermore, Toriyama wrote the 14th and 15th movies of Dragon Ball Z, but they are not part of the same continuity as Dragon Ball Super.

[Scsigs]

Another thing: people seem to automatically associate Akira Toriyama's contribution on the final product to attest to it as a "canonical" continuation of the original manga, which makes no sense at all. One of the main reasons is that these same fans don't treat Neko Majin as a continuation of Dragon Ball, even though Toriyama himself wrote and illustrated it alone. Is it because it's comical and "nonsense"? Well, Dragon Ball has comical and "nonsense" elements. Furthermore, Toriyama wrote the 14th and 15th movies of Dragon Ball Z, but they are not part of the same continuity as Dragon Ball Super.

To my knowledge, Neko Majin is its own thing entirely that isn't canonical to Dragon Ball even though it features DB's version of Earth & some of the characters from it. At best, it's an elseworlds tale following a comedy character that has DB cameos & a what-if son of Freeza. It was never intended to be in continuity with the DB manga, or else later DB materials might've addressed it in some way like Vegeta referencing Tarble in Battle of Gods.

As for Toriyama's contribution making it canonical, up until Daima, Super was a continuation that was more than likely canonical, the only discontinuities being that Goku didn't see Bulma for 5 years before the final chapter of the manga & that it was stated that the Earth hadn't seen any threats in the timeskip. Both of these are now no longer true in Super's timeline. However, if I had to pick between Super & GT as the official canonical continuation of the original manga, I'm picking Super all the way. GT's just a massive waste of potential &, while Super's not perfect, I had more fun with it.
I mean, Battle of Gods & Resurrection F ARE the bases for the first 2 arcs of Super &, minus some adaptation expansion & a retconning of some of the numbers stated at the end of BOG in Super, they're the exact same stories &, minus the episodes that take place before the main plots of the movies, I'd rather watch those over the arcs because the arcs just dragged & the animation was iffy at times. Converting 2-hour movies to 6 hours of TV episodes wasn't great. I also just don't consider the Res F arc of Super the canonical telling of the story because not only do you have Ginyu Frog on Earth for no reason, but also a callback to the filler from Z where Ginyu temporarily took over Bulma's body, which they acknowledged in dialogue. Super's supposed to be a continuation of the manga's story, with the anime only making small references to Z filler things (although, I believe the manga also does a few times too), so I don't care for any of that. Point is that you can easily watch the first 2 episodes of Super, watch BOG, watch the few episodes in between the main stories of BOG & RF, then watch Res F & you're good to go from there. I don't even think the numbers from the end of BOG even really come back up afterwards, so that change was kinda pointless, tbh.

[Grimlock]

Another thing: people seem to automatically associate Akira Toriyama's contribution on the final product to attest to it as a "canonical" continuation of the original manga, which makes no sense at all. One of the main reasons is that these same fans don't treat Neko Majin as a continuation of Dragon Ball, even though Toriyama himself wrote and illustrated it alone. Is it because it's comical and "nonsense"? Well, Dragon Ball has comical and "nonsense" elements. Furthermore, Toriyama wrote the 14th and 15th movies of Dragon Ball Z, but they are not part of the same continuity as Dragon Ball Super.

The thing with Neko Majin is that Vegeta is working for Freeza. Vegeta shouldn't be working for Freeza (and he's wearing his armor, even though he should be wearing earthling clothes). But if we remove that detail, then there's nothing preventing Neko Majin from occurring in the same continuity of the manga. It still would or wouldn't be canonical, because there is no canon to begin with, but that's irrelevant.



I myself kind of turn a blind eye to this, so I don't leave Neko Majin out, but that's my preference. Also, there's Dragon Ball Online to consider.

[Scsigs]

It still would or wouldn't be canonical, because there is no canon to begin with, but that's irrelevant.

Stop making this argument. This just isn't true. The manga is the canon & everything else diverges off that into their own different continuities.