DB & Z or Super: Which Should get a Remake ?

[The Dark Knight]

As a result of the flashbacks in Superhero and Daima, fans have been asking for a remake for awhile now. The question is, which part of the franchise should get it. Should it be the classic DB & Z, or the more modern Super ? An argument could be made for either, so what do you think ? Which would benefit more ?

[Grimlock]

None. All effort and talent they can muster should be invested into a new series instead (preferrably in one that takes place after AGE 784).

It's unfortunate that that's what people are clamoring for. And seeing how things are nowadays, that remake is coming, isn't it? A pity. Why should we all move forward when we can just stay in our comfort zone forever?

[JulieYBM]

1. Give me money to make an original anime unconnected to all previous IP without any restrictions, rather than making new Dragon Ball.

2. A retelling of Dragon Ball with a new voice cast, a proper production schedule, and without the sexism, homophobia, and racism.

[SupremeKai25]

Super doesn't really "need" a remake, but the artwork could be improved in several episodes.

Super was massacred by the awful weekly format and it would be even more loved if the artists weren't overworked with those insane deadlines.

[super michael]

I would say Dragon Ball Super needs a remake, that way they can fix whatever flaws DBS has.

If they are given the budget needed and time, then I can see it turning out good. DBS has some good idea such as different universe, Goku Black and Zamasu, ToP and the movies. They just need to put more thought into writing the characters and power scale.

A rushed anime is the same like a rushed game, it can't turn out perfect. Sonic 06 is a great example of a game rushed out, they didn't want to delay the game, so they released the game on a older version of the game. What we got was a game with many flaws, glitches and bugs.

[MasenkoHA]

A series that came out 10 years ago does not need a remake. Like…what?

One of the common and rightful criticisms of Kai is it boast being a true to the manga recut but it started at the Saiyan arc and dismissed the first 194 chapters with a quick recap. An actual Z remake would have the same problem.

If you’re going to do a remake start at the beginning Buruma and The Monkey King and end with Goku flying off with Oob. Treat it as one actual story.

[Yellow Flower King]

OG DB, so hard its not funny.

[super michael]

If they remake DBS then they can make these characters better:

Goku - to be as intelligent as in DB/DBZ
Chi Chi - to not be a control freak and dumb about training like in the Buu Saga
Buu - to not always be sleeping and only need a few seconds to nap
Goten - to be allowed to train and fight
Trunks - to be allowed to train and fight

To put some thoughts in how the characters train and power scale. Berserk Kale is stronger than SSB Goku Kamehame, but her stronger controlled form can't beat SSJ2 Goku tired.
Kuririn performing better than SSJ3 Gotenks was bad writing. In the exhibition match Gohan had no trouble using his aura to detect his enemy while blind, but he didn't use that strategy against the Yardrat IT opponent.

[The Dark Knight]

Whenever fans bring up a remake of classic DB, the first and often only thing that's brought up is the pacing. However, will its voice acting be better ? will its soundtrack be better ? will its atmosphere be better ? will its writing be better ? Will the art and animation be better ? Even the pacing, it may be better in some areas, but worse in others, as the manga itself isn't exactly the best when it comes to pacing. The original DB and Z both hold up really well, as they got far more right than they got wrong, which is why I think a remake would be kind of pointless. What I do believe they need is a high quality remaster that's done frame by frame, color corrected, and includes the Japanese broadcast audio. I would take a proper remaster over a remake any day.

Super though ? I believe that is in desperate need of a remake. Almost every aspect from the Super anime we have can be improved in a major way. Yamamoru's style was a major issue with the series, so Shintani or the team behind Daima would be an instant improvement. The animation was severely limited as a result of the terrible schedule the team was stuck with, so that's another area guaranteed to benefit from a remake. The writing was all over the place due to the schedule not allowing the various writers to coordinate what they were doing, so a remake will eliminate those inconsistencies. The arcs themselves felt isolated from one another as a result of there being no plan in place when Super started, so with everything on the table now, they can better connect all the dots and tie things together better.

[JulieYBM]

It's okay to say the forty (40) year old cartoon looks and runs awfully.

[The Dark Knight]

It's okay to say the forty (40) year old cartoon looks and runs awfully.

The show can drag sometimes, but is it so bad that it needs a full remake ? There's also the fact that although we may get a better paced show, we will also lose the good parts of anime-only segments in the process that improved the story. As for the show's look, keep in mind that together, both Dragon Ball and Z come in at close to 450 episodes, and that's not counting the 17 movies that were produced at the same time. I would say they both look pretty good considering those two factors. There are indeed parts that look off, but more often than not, it looks just as good, if not better, than some shows produced today. I just don't think there's enough wrong with the original two series to justify a full remake, especially one that could end up taking well over a decade to complete. I say a decade because people want a remake that looks like Daima, a show that took 3 years to produce 20 episodes for. If this hypothetical remake comes in at 140-150 episodes, it could take closer to 20 years to complete in full at that same level of quality.

[PhantomSaiyan]

It's okay to say the forty (40) year old cartoon looks and runs awfully.

Runs awfully, yeah, the pacing is terrible.

But I'm not so sure that it looks awful.
At least not all the time: sometimes it does, and sometimes it looks amazing. Like most anime out there, even modern ones

[JulieYBM]

It's okay to say the forty (40) year old cartoon looks and runs awfully.

The show can drag sometimes, but is it so bad that it needs a full remake ? There's also the fact that although we may get a better paced show, we will also lose the good parts of anime-only segments in the process that improved the story. As for the show's look, keep in mind that together, both Dragon Ball and Z come in at close to 450 episodes, and that's not counting the 17 movies that were produced at the same time. I would say they both look pretty good considering those two factors. There are indeed parts that look off, but more often than not, it looks just as good, if not better, than some shows produced today. I just don't think there's enough wrong with the original two series to justify a full remake, especially one that could end up taking well over a decade to complete. I say a decade because people want a remake that looks like Daima, a show that took 3 years to produce 20 episodes for. If this hypothetical remake comes in at 140-150 episodes, it could take closer to 20 years to complete in full at that same level of quality.

Why would it need to be 150 episodes? We have the power of foresight here, it can be any length we want.

Dragon Ball Hunt: 6 episodes
Twenty-First: 7 episodes
Red Ribbon Army and Baba: 26 episodes
Twenty-Second: 7 episodes
Daimaou: 6-8 episodes
Twenty-Third: 7 episodes
Saiyan: 8 episodes
Namek: 18 episodes
Artificial Humans: 26 episodes
Majin Buu: 26 episodes

Literally just change the plot and not adapt everything 1:1 with the comic.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

It’s okay to enjoy a long running series. I think the original Dragon Ball is fine as is. It has its own charm, humor, and the adventure aspect of the show is what makes it great. Adapting the manga into 153 episodes with some filler content was pretty smart, because you want to see the characters grow in a certain way, and making the show super short is not always a best approach. A long running series can be successful if you plan properly.

Dragon Ball Z, on other hand, definitely has some pacing issue that could have been trimmed down a little bit. But unfortunately, anime eventually got close to the manga, so you naturally have to stretch a little bit to let manga stay ahead of it. Creatively, DBZ got suffered compared to its original counterpart.

I really don’t think there should be a remake for both. They are fine for now. It’s best to focus on making new stories, so the audience can be more enthusiastic and engaging.

[The Dark Knight]

Why would it need to be 150 episodes? We have the power of foresight here, it can be any length we want.

Dragon Ball Hunt: 6 episodes
Twenty-First: 7 episodes
Red Ribbon Army and Baba: 26 episodes
Twenty-Second: 7 episodes
Daimaou: 6-8 episodes
Twenty-Third: 7 episodes
Saiyan: 8 episodes
Namek: 18 episodes
Artificial Humans: 26 episodes
Majin Buu: 26 episodes

Literally just change the plot and not adapt everything 1:1 with the comic.

The list you have brings the total episode count to 139, which is very close to my 150. Now that I'm looking at your list, I'm beginning to think 150 wouldn't be enough to cover everything thoroughly. Fans should want a remake in order to tell the story better, not faster. This list makes it look like a marathon, like the team is rushing to get to the next thing. The original two shows may have been slow in some places, but one thing I can never say about them is that they never rushed things in order to get to the next thing quicker.

This is how I would go about it, bringing the total episode count to 200:

Dragon Ball Hunt: 10 episodes
Twenty-First: 10 episodes
Red Ribbon Army and Baba: 30 episodes
Twenty-Second: 10 episodes
Daimaou: 15 episodes
Twenty-Third: 10 episodes
Saiyan: 20 episodes
Namek: 30 episodes
Artificial Humans: 30 episodes
Majin Buu: 35 episodes

It’s okay to enjoy a long running series. I think the original Dragon Ball is fine as is. It has its own charm, humor, and the adventure aspect of the show is what makes it great. Adapting the manga into 153 episodes with some filler content was pretty smart, because you want to see the characters grow in a certain way, and making the show super short is not always a best approach. A long running series can be successful if you plan properly.

I couldn't have said it better. Viewers are now so used to everything being so fast paced that they can no longer sit through a longer story that actually takes its time to build the world and develop its characters. So much of what made the original DB & Z so great would be lost in a modern remake that's sole purpose is to tell the story as quick as possible.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

A series that came out 10 years ago does not need a remake. Like…what?

I thought the same, but then someone mentioned Fullmetal Alchemist : Brotherhood, a beloved anime remake was made 6 years after the original.

I would prefer a remake of the original run but I don't think we should rule out either necessarily as there is always the chance it could be good, and if it is great, we have another Dragon Ball show to enjoy, if not, well no one has to watch it if they don't want to.

[super michael]

The anime changed somethings such as how Goku got the Ultra Divine water by doing trials and Tenshinhan using the Mafuba against Piccolo, which Drum got in the way. We got to see Goku train with Mr Popo and even travel to the past, to meet Master Mutaito and young Master Roshi.

In DBZ we got to see Gohan adventure in the wild and the Z fighters fight against Saiyan from the past.
The driving episode with Goku and Piccolo was fun.

If they cut certain things in the remake, they might lose some good parts from the episode.

[SupremeKai25]

A series that came out 10 years ago does not need a remake. Like…what?

Ample reasons have already been provided for why Super could use a remake, ranging from improving the artwork to streamlining the narrative.

Looking merely at the time passed since the original is superficial.

[super michael]

A series that came out 10 years ago does not need a remake. Like…what?

Ample reasons have already been provided for why Super could use a remake, ranging from improving the artwork to streamlining the narrative.

Looking merely at the time passed since the original is superficial.

Remake and sequels can happen anytime, there is no time limit to when it happens. There is no too soon or too late.

I would welcome DBS getting a remake and I know Toei are capable of making it great assuming they are given the time and budget needed.

[PhantomSaiyan]

Looking merely at the time passed since the original is superficial.

It isn't when it comes to making business decisions.

The higher ups deciding which product will be more profitable have to take time into consideration.

Remaking something relatively recent (before anyone says it, I'm not saying 10 years is recent, but compared to 30, 40 years, it's recent) doesn't have the same potential to drive in a big new audience as much as animating something much older that many newer generations haven't watched yet, or only know about it as "that old anime"

That's the point of remakes after all. They don't make remakes to fix problems fans have with older adaptations, to them it's secondary even if they might end up doing that in the process, the main focus is always to increase the audience

A Super remake might still drive in a new audience, I'm not saying it won't, but I'm 100% sure that DB&Z Remake would attract more eyes.

But yes ultimately, nothing is stopping them from remaking Super if they wanted to, there have been remakes that happened only a decade after the original work so it's not out of the realm of possibilities entirely.