Dragon Ball Genkida Matsuri 2026 DBS remaster, DBS galactic patrol arc, Age 1000 announced.

[PhantomSaiyan]

The comic and the cartoon are different projects, they do not need to be the same. They can be different. This is not a new concept to any franchise, let alone a long-running one like Dragon Ball.

This is not an issue at all.

I don't disagree, but that the same time, the anime industry moved away from adapting material differently a long time ago after failing over and over again to deliver anything that satisfied audiences

When it comes to movies and books, movies doing their own thing is more because of the limitations of fitting hundreds of pages into 1h and 30 mins of runtime.
Anime doesn't really have this problem, they can and they have successfully adapted the majority of manga literally 1 to 1

Super having two different continuities is not even the result of some big artistic vision, it's the result of a rushed schedule and lack of proper planning/coordination

[JulieYBM]

The comic and the cartoon are different projects, they do not need to be the same. They can be different. This is not a new concept to any franchise, let alone a long-running one like Dragon Ball.

This is not an issue at all.

I don't disagree, but that the same time, the anime industry moved away from adapting material differently a long time ago after failing over and over again to deliver anything that satisfied audiences

When it comes to movies and books, movies doing their own thing is more because of the limitations of fitting hundreds of pages into 1h and 30 mins of runtime.
Anime doesn't really have this problem, they can and they have successfully adapted the majority of manga literally 1 to 1

Super having two different continuities is not even the result of some big artistic vision, it's the result of a rushed schedule and lack of proper planning/coordination

You're moving the goal posts and making an issue where one doesn't exist. I know what modern trends on, but that's irrelevant to us because we don't have to kowtow to these things.

[PhantomSaiyan]

You're moving the goal posts and making an issue where one doesn't exist. I know what modern trends on, but that's irrelevant to us because we don't have to kowtow to these things.

I don't see how "I'm moving goalposts" the point has remained unchanged from the start...

[JulieYBM]

You're moving the goal posts and making an issue where one doesn't exist. I know what modern trends on, but that's irrelevant to us because we don't have to kowtow to these things.

I don't see how "I'm moving goalposts" the point has remained unchanged from the start...

The question has never been about the rights holders, though. I have been consistently trying to ask people about their own personal feelings and am consistently not given actual answers. It's *insane* how people keep deflecting back to just saying shit without actually examining what they're saying or why.

[demonontheleft]

The question has never been about the rights holders, though. I have been consistently trying to ask people about their own personal feelings and am consistently not given actual answers. It's *insane* how people keep deflecting back to just saying shit without actually examining what they're saying or why.

If we're talking about our feelings on Super's anime and manga being different continuities, I don't think it's a bad thing at all. For what DBS is having two different versions of the story is neat considering one was ahead of the other and had it's fair share of differences.

Saw that the genga leak was taken down and I think confirmed to be real(?), if the Super remake or recut goes past the tournament of power then I don't think it'd be a problem at all for them to do a slightly different adaptation of the manga exclusive arcs. Honestly though I think it'd be cool to see them do a new story arc too with the Dragon Ball characters.

[PhantomSaiyan]

The question has never been about the rights holders, though. I have been consistently trying to ask people about their own personal feelings and am consistently not given actual answers. It's *insane* how people keep deflecting back to just saying shit without actually examining what they're saying or why.

And as far as that's concerned, I already expressed multiple times that I don't disagree with you and I don't personally mind different continuities, did I not?

Then I also said that there's merit in keeping things consistent, and it's NOT a "rights holder" deal, it's an audiences deal, audiences have been proven multiple times to prefer having their source material adapted as faithfully as possible as far as story is concerned.

I really don't see how that's "deflecting", if anything, I'm just expanding on the discussion, I haven't deflected anything.

[miguelnuva1]

The comic and the cartoon are different projects, they do not need to be the same. They can be different. This is not a new concept to any franchise, let alone a long-running one like Dragon Ball.

This is not an issue at all.

I don't disagree, but that the same time, the anime industry moved away from adapting material differently a long time ago after failing over and over again to deliver anything that satisfied audiences

When it comes to movies and books, movies doing their own thing is more because of the limitations of fitting hundreds of pages into 1h and 30 mins of runtime.
Anime doesn't really have this problem, they can and they have successfully adapted the majority of manga literally 1 to 1

Super having two different continuities is not even the result of some big artistic vision, it's the result of a rushed schedule and lack of proper planning/coordination

As said before. Super was an anime first. According to what you suggest Toyotaro is the one that needs to change his stroy and better yet

The anime and manga need to adapt to the movies.

As a matter of fact

If they did remake Super they should do this

U6 vs U7
Goku Black
TOP

Combine the best of the anime and manga in these arcs and make them quick.

Do 1 episode for Broly, BOG and RF that is basically telling people to watch the movies.

Then do

Moro
Granolah
SH prequel
1 episode telling people to watch the SH film.

Toyotaro should have a decent lead in Black Frieza or the next arc by then.

Finally give us a gag at Goku's expense where Beerus simply didn't give him enough time to use SS4 and have Vegeta says SS3 was too useless.

[Skar]

I don't disagree, but that the same time, the anime industry moved away from adapting material differently a long time ago after failing over and over again to deliver anything that satisfied audiences

When it comes to movies and books, movies doing their own thing is more because of the limitations of fitting hundreds of pages into 1h and 30 mins of runtime.
Anime doesn't really have this problem, they can and they have successfully adapted the majority of manga literally 1 to 1

Super having two different continuities is not even the result of some big artistic vision, it's the result of a rushed schedule and lack of proper planning/coordination

I think the manga arcs after the ToP would be adapted faithfully this time since it seems easier than having to expand a short outline. The original arcs getting a remake would probably remain the same and just less filler/padding. A full adaptation of the manga would require new scenes and more work than only fixing up some of the existing animation. It's kinda like how Broly was a sequel to both the anime and manga but Toriyama might've written it with only his outlines in mind since it ignores manga or anime exclusive scenes. Any inconsistencies can just be handwaved as a slightly different continuity adapting from the same story.

[Rakka]

I don't disagree, but that the same time, the anime industry moved away from adapting material differently a long time ago after failing over and over again to deliver anything that satisfied audiences

When it comes to movies and books, movies doing their own thing is more because of the limitations of fitting hundreds of pages into 1h and 30 mins of runtime.
Anime doesn't really have this problem, they can and they have successfully adapted the majority of manga literally 1 to 1

Super having two different continuities is not even the result of some big artistic vision, it's the result of a rushed schedule and lack of proper planning/coordination

I think the manga arcs after the ToP would be adapted faithfully this time since it seems easier than having to expand a short outline. The original arcs getting a remake would probably remain the same and just less filler/padding. A full adaptation of the manga would require new scenes and more work than only fixing up some of the existing animation. It's kinda like how Broly was a sequel to both the anime and manga but Toriyama might've written it with only his outlines in mind since it ignores manga or anime exclusive scenes. Any inconsistencies can just be handwaved as a slightly different continuity adapting from the same story.

There are many things that are not "slightly different".

Goku being angry against Jiren in the TOP while using UI when in Moro Arc he has to make his mind all empty to achieve that state, and in the Granolah Arc he uses his emotions and UI to make a new transformation completely different, Toppo in the anime uses a transformation that it's just too similar to Ultra Ego while not having the same concepts of this transformation, Blue Kaioken is not reference one single time because instead we have Perfect SSB, and so we go.

[JulieYBM]

I don't disagree, but that the same time, the anime industry moved away from adapting material differently a long time ago after failing over and over again to deliver anything that satisfied audiences

When it comes to movies and books, movies doing their own thing is more because of the limitations of fitting hundreds of pages into 1h and 30 mins of runtime.
Anime doesn't really have this problem, they can and they have successfully adapted the majority of manga literally 1 to 1

Super having two different continuities is not even the result of some big artistic vision, it's the result of a rushed schedule and lack of proper planning/coordination

I think the manga arcs after the ToP would be adapted faithfully this time since it seems easier than having to expand a short outline. The original arcs getting a remake would probably remain the same and just less filler/padding. A full adaptation of the manga would require new scenes and more work than only fixing up some of the existing animation. It's kinda like how Broly was a sequel to both the anime and manga but Toriyama might've written it with only his outlines in mind since it ignores manga or anime exclusive scenes. Any inconsistencies can just be handwaved as a slightly different continuity adapting from the same story.

There are many things that are not "slightly different".

Goku being angry against Jiren in the TOP while using UI when in Moro Arc he has to make his mind all empty to achieve that state, and in the Granolah Arc he uses his emotions and UI to make a new transformation completely different, Toppo in the anime uses a transformation that it's just too similar to Ultra Ego while not having the same concepts of this transformation, Blue Kaioken is not reference one single time because instead we have Perfect SSB, and so we go.

Okay, so what? The anime can just change the Moro and Granola arcs to better fit the continuity of the 2015 animated series.

[Skar]

There are many things that are not "slightly different".

Goku being angry against Jiren in the TOP while using UI when in Moro Arc he has to make his mind all empty to achieve that state, and in the Granolah Arc he uses his emotions and UI to make a new transformation completely different, Toppo in the anime uses a transformation that it's just too similar to Ultra Ego while not having the same concepts of this transformation, Blue Kaioken is not reference one single time because instead we have Perfect SSB, and so we go.

There are differences but I think it might be too much work to reanimate all that to make the previous arcs more consistent with the manga. It depends on the scenes that can easily be cut assuming it's going to be like a Super Kai. It could end up slightly more consistent with the manga just by removing anime only scenes that didn't affect the story.

[SupremeKai25]

There are many things that are not "slightly different".

Goku being angry against Jiren in the TOP while using UI when in Moro Arc he has to make his mind all empty to achieve that state, and in the Granolah Arc he uses his emotions and UI to make a new transformation completely different, Toppo in the anime uses a transformation that it's just too similar to Ultra Ego while not having the same concepts of this transformation, Blue Kaioken is not reference one single time because instead we have Perfect SSB, and so we go.

None of these things are important to the overall storyline and I guarantee you no one in the general audience will notice these "discrepancies".

Anyway, potentially hot take: I have no issue with Toei just making their own arcs after the ToP. I like Moro, but I can do without seeing him animated. I dislike the Granolah saga and found it so BORING.

I'm interested to see what new stories Toei writers could make after the ToP.

[Cold Skin]

A major reason to adapt Moro and Granolah into anime is that all characters and appearances from those arcs won't be available in side products (all video games, figurines...) otherwise. It would be a waste to keep them "locked" to manga pages and Toyotaro promo artworks for the Jump magazines only.

This situation alone requires to adapt those arcs and finally unlock all of their content for the various products, giving all the more possibilities to get money from customers.

Plus, with Toriyama gone, I'm pretty sure the rightholders are not like "yeepee, we're free to invent what we want, go for whole new stories right now!" but more like stressed to venture into an open area without the author's "safety rails" to tell people "this is Toriyama approved". They will probably double down on anything that has been created, assisted or approved by Toriyama as much as possible for a while : a Remaster or new edit, a remake, an adaptation of the last arcs he contributed to or for which he gave his seal of approval (Moro, Granola, high school for Goten and Trunks), an adaptation of Jaco, etc.

That's what I think anyway, but I could be wrong.

[SupremeKai25]

"yeepee, we're free to invent what we want, go for whole new stories right now!"

That's not the argument I made and you know it.

I'd be interested in seeing more from Toei even if Toriyama still lived because this franchise has become bigger than Toriyama. I don't know why we need to depict my take as childish. I love a lot of the writing in the Toei anime and I want to see more from these writers.

But... well, I knew this was going to be a hot take. People generally take for granted that Toei will simply adapt the Moro saga, because that's what an anime does, right? Adapt a manga.

Except that in the case of Super the anime was the main product and was ahead of the manga for its entire run.

[Vegard Aune]

But... well, I knew this was going to be a hot take. People generally take for granted that Toei will simply adapt the Moro saga, because that's what an anime does, right? Adapt a manga.

Except that in the case of Super the anime was the main product and was ahead of the manga for its entire run.

It's really more of a "Well, why do anything else?" kinda thing. They have an official product, still named Dragon Ball Super, that continues the story past the Tournament of Power. Sure, there are some inconsistencies that Toei would ideally address, (one that I'm not sure I've seen brought up is how Super's TV show claimed that there were only like 30 inhabited planets in all of Universe 7, which really does not track with the several-month rampage through the universe Moro goes on) or they could just... move on and act like they didn't say what they previously said a la "Kaio gives Goku the backstory of Planet Vegeta including a detailed account of how and why it was destroyed, which has nothing to do with Freeza" (You could perhaps handwave that by saying he didn't want Goku to know of Freeza because of how much he fears him, but the scene is very much presented as just "This is what happened to Goku's people") and many other contradictions, or heck, how Toriyama himself blatantly contradicted his own previously established lore in Super. It still just seems like a reasonable thing to do to continue what was presented as "the official continuation of Dragon Ball" and to then adapt the arcs in the manga that already exist. Love them or hate them, I still think Moro and Granolah seem like safe enough choices that it's weird it still hasn't happened. (Though of course now we have the whole rights issue as a complicating factor.)

[Skar]

None of these things are important to the overall storyline and I guarantee you no one in the general audience will notice these "discrepancies".

Anyway, potentially hot take: I have no issue with Toei just making their own arcs after the ToP. I like Moro, but I can do without seeing him animated. I dislike the Granolah saga and found it so BORING.

I'm interested to see what new stories Toei writers could make after the ToP.

The manga arcs are the only stories left Toriyama had involvement with so I assume at some point they'll be adapted. I feel the main appeal of this revival isn't just Dragon Ball airing again but that the original author is involved. There could still be good stories but I can't see the general audience being as invested. Since the revival began, I think only content we got that didn't involve Toriyama was Heroes which was only released in Japan. Based on other popular franchises that ended up flopping, smaller group of diehard fans watch anything but general audiences are more willing to move on. That's why even some of the highest rated/most watched shows end up getting canceled or lose viewers each season after their peak. I think it happens now more often because we have access to unlimited content online.

Sure, there are some inconsistencies that Toei would ideally address, (one that I'm not sure I've seen brought up is how Super's TV show claimed that there were only like 30 inhabited planets in all of Universe 7, which really does not track with the several-month rampage through the universe Moro goes on)

I think this line could still work since technically don't see how many planets Moro attacked overall and could still take a few months to travel between planets. In RoF, they had a map of the universe and it also happened to only show 28 planets. Broly revealed that the Saiyans were half of Freeza's army or something like that so with a population of only a few thousand then his entire army is maybe 10,000 soldiers. It might be that Toriyama always intended for the universe to be smaller in scale compared to more standard sci-fi series with millions of inhabited planets or an intergalactic empire with millions of troops.

[Chuquita]

I'm all for handwaving the "only 30 or so places with life" to make Moro make more sense because while that sounds probably closer to the real life odds, I like when fictional universes are larger: if you have a wealth of planets with a variety of lifeforms with their own cultures and designs to choose from.

Animating the Moro and Granolah arcs would also keep them in public consciousness longer than keeping them in the manga.

I know I read them both as they were releasing each month, but I don't recall either arc with the clarity I do the DBS anime. We got some more hand-handholding teleports between "eternal rivals", Vegeta tried to learn how to teleport, but wasn't really that good at it, Goku pulled off some kind of JoJo-looking giant aura Stand to fight Planet!Moro, there was a long OP-style Bardock flashback, and then we got the adventures of teenage Goten and Trunks. I'm sure there was more, but that's most of what I have without looking anything up.

[Rakka]

I think the manga arcs after the ToP would be adapted faithfully this time since it seems easier than having to expand a short outline. The original arcs getting a remake would probably remain the same and just less filler/padding. A full adaptation of the manga would require new scenes and more work than only fixing up some of the existing animation. It's kinda like how Broly was a sequel to both the anime and manga but Toriyama might've written it with only his outlines in mind since it ignores manga or anime exclusive scenes. Any inconsistencies can just be handwaved as a slightly different continuity adapting from the same story.

There are many things that are not "slightly different".

Goku being angry against Jiren in the TOP while using UI when in Moro Arc he has to make his mind all empty to achieve that state, and in the Granolah Arc he uses his emotions and UI to make a new transformation completely different, Toppo in the anime uses a transformation that it's just too similar to Ultra Ego while not having the same concepts of this transformation, Blue Kaioken is not reference one single time because instead we have Perfect SSB, and so we go.

Okay, so what? The anime can just change the Moro and Granola arcs to better fit the continuity of the 2015 animated series.

If they change the Moro and Granolah arcs to fit a continuity that's flawed and low quality, just dont do it lol.

[PhantomSaiyan]

If they change the Moro and Granolah arcs to fit a continuity that's flawed and low quality, just dont do it lol.

It's not like they have much choice.

I also don't see how it will be flawed (it's just gonna be coherent with the anime material, how is that a bad thing) and I especially don't see why it would be inherenrly low quality: low quality would be better suited as a descriptor for poor animation or direction, it doesn't apply here.

[JulieYBM]

There are many things that are not "slightly different".

Goku being angry against Jiren in the TOP while using UI when in Moro Arc he has to make his mind all empty to achieve that state, and in the Granolah Arc he uses his emotions and UI to make a new transformation completely different, Toppo in the anime uses a transformation that it's just too similar to Ultra Ego while not having the same concepts of this transformation, Blue Kaioken is not reference one single time because instead we have Perfect SSB, and so we go.

Okay, so what? The anime can just change the Moro and Granola arcs to better fit the continuity of the 2015 animated series.

If they change the Moro and Granolah arcs to fit a continuity that's flawed and low quality, just dont do it lol.

What makes the continuity flawed? Furthermore, the process of adaption means changing elements of a work to fit the new medium and format selected. This has been a factor of all art for the length of history. Tweaking the Moro and Granolah arcs to fit better with the continuity of the 2015 animated series is not some unthinkable thing, especially if additional changes are made to make those arcs better.