King Vegeta was a genius

[nickzambuto]

We have to appreciate the difficulty and complexity of the situation he was in.

On his left is Freeza, treating him like a slave.

And on his right is Beerus, treating him like a slave.

Vegeta was constantly balancing on a tightrope, death on either side, and managed to maintain perfect balance for years. Both of these beings would destroy the planet for petty reasons, Vegeta was constantly negotiating with them and keeping himself and his planet alive.

At the same time he controlled the saiyans, who were the most unruly race in the universe, which required a fair bit of psychology and manipulation. Even though he claimed he was plotting to free the saiyans, he was also using Freeza's power as a tool to keep the saiyans in line.

He was in a very complex political situation between the saiyans, Freeza, and Beerus, and even managed to use these factions against each other to maintain his own rule.

King Vegeta was also right about Broly. Paragus tried to claim that Broly would aid the saiyan race. This must have been immensely tempting for Vegeta, a way to really escape Freeza and Beerus's rule.

But Vegeta was unconvinced. He immediately knew that Broly would actually grow up to be a threat. Even though Vegeta's pride and ego also played a role, you cannot deny that his predictions were 100% accurate. This shows the extreme measures Vegeta had to take just to control the saiyan race.

In the end, it was only because of Beerus that King Vegeta failed. Maybe Vegeta could have kept placating the Cold family, if Beerus never made the arbitrary order to destroy the saiyans.

In the end, Vegeta was a political genius and only lost to a completely arbitrary decision Beerus made on a whim.

[Grimlock]

We could get a series exploring that, wouldn't that be cool to see all of this on-screen? King Vegeta barely appears, so we can only make assumptions and inferences.

Or we could get remakes, remasters and retellings instead, which is better to see multiple times the same thing over and over and applaude it in the end because that's what we want.

[PhantomSaiyan]

King Vegeta was also right about Broly. Paragus tried to claim that Broly would aid the saiyan race. This must have been immensely tempting for Vegeta, a way to really escape Freeza and Beerus's rule.

How in the hell would you know that? We have no way of knowing if exiling Broly was the right call or not, he was never given an opportunity to prove himself as a loyal Saiyan, he was literally exiled at birth.

If anything, King Vegeta is a moron for this, because the actually smart decision would have been to use Broly's power against Frieza.
Letting pride win over logic isn't exactly what I'd call genius

[dbgtFO]

King Vegeta was also right about Broly. Paragus tried to claim that Broly would aid the saiyan race. This must have been immensely tempting for Vegeta, a way to really escape Freeza and Beerus's rule.

How in the hell would you know that? We have no way of knowing if exiling Broly was the right call or not, he was never given an opportunity to prove himself as a loyal Saiyan, he was literally exiled at birth.

If anything, King Vegeta is a moron for this, because the actually smart decision would have been to use Broly's power against Frieza.
Letting pride win over logic isn't exactly what I'd call genius

Agreed.
Keep Broly a secret from Freeza, but have him be trained away from the home planet with a special squad, so that he can eventually develop his true power and wield complete control over it and confront Freeza as a pre teen warrior

[Yasai9001]

King Vegeta was also right about Broly. Paragus tried to claim that Broly would aid the saiyan race. This must have been immensely tempting for Vegeta, a way to really escape Freeza and Beerus's rule.

How in the hell would you know that? We have no way of knowing if exiling Broly was the right call or not, he was never given an opportunity to prove himself as a loyal Saiyan, he was literally exiled at birth.

If anything, King Vegeta is a moron for this, because the actually smart decision would have been to use Broly's power against Frieza.
Letting pride win over logic isn't exactly what I'd call genius

Agreed.
Keep Broly a secret from Freeza, but have him be trained away from the home planet with a special squad, so that he can eventually develop his true power and wield complete control over it and confront Freeza as a pre teen warrior

If we're being fair, Paragus admitted to Vegeta being right about Broly, after all lol.

[PhantomSaiyan]

If we're being fair, Paragus admitted to Vegeta being right about Broly, after all lol.

After the poor dude grow up in the worst fucking circumstances possible, no fucking shit lmao

Do you not see how he would have turned out differently if he grew up normally?

And besides, Paragus isn't even right in that assessment because Broly turned out to be one of the nicest Saiyans. Him losing control was only made worse by his shithead father's controlling methods

[Yasai9001]

If we're being fair, Paragus admitted to Vegeta being right about Broly, after all lol.

Do you not see how he would have turned out differently if he grew up normally?

Yes, but you have to keep in mind that Saiyans were far moreso brutes than actual masters of Martial Arts/Combat. None of them knew how to control their ki - they thrived on dominating their opponents and getting caught up in their bloodlust instead of focusing on control of one's self. Paragus, a former colonel of The Saiyan army, was far too ignorant to be able to teach his Broly the proper fundamentals for controlling his anger and having better control of his power. Instead of trying to adhere to his son's mental handicap, he used his intelligence in building a shock collar for him.

The Saiyans don't know anything about raising anyone any normal kind of way. If Broly were to be raised under someone like say Kami, Korin, Roshi, etc, even they would all still have trouble keeping him normal. Broly's power was a danger to himself and everyone else around him if not controlled properly; you're speaking about Broly being raised normally as if The Saiyans had the patience or the tolerance for that rubbish.

And it took for Broly witnessing Gohan controlling his rage from going over the breaking point to really get it. What full-blooded Saiyan from Broly's generation or prior would have the knowledge to teach him any of that when it's hard as hell for the normal Saiyan warrior to learn to get rid of weaknesses such as their tail or losing sense of themselves when transformed as an Oozaru? Come on, bruh.

[PhantomSaiyan]

Yes, but you have to keep in mind that Saiyans were far moreso brutes than actual masters of Martial Arts/Combat. None of them knew how to control their ki - they thrived on dominating their opponents and getting caught up in their bloodlust instead of focusing on control of one's self. Paragus, a former colonel of The Saiyan army, was far too ignorant to be able to teach his Broly the proper fundamentals for controlling his anger and having better control of his power. Instead of trying to adhere to his son's mental handicap, he used his intelligence in building a shock collar for him.

The Saiyans don't know anything about raising anyone any normal kind of way. If Broly were to be raised under someone like say Kami, Korin, Roshi, etc, even they would all still have trouble keeping him normal. Broly's power was a danger to himself and everyone else around him if not controlled properly; you're speaking about Broly being raised normally as if The Saiyans had the patience or the tolerance for that rubbish.

And it took for Broly witnessing Gohan controlling his rage from going over the breaking point to really get it. What full-blooded Saiyan from Broly's generation or prior would have the knowledge to teach him any of that when it's hard as hell for the normal Saiyan warrior to learn to get rid of weaknesses such as their tail or losing sense of themselves when transformed as an Oozaru? Come on, bruh.

If he turned out alright on the most hostile planet ever with the worst father of all time, then he would have turned out alright in Saiyan Society, as shit as it was, it's that simple.

And if Paragus could figure out the shock collar to control him, King Vegeta could have had his scientists come up with something even better to keep him under control when he lost his cool.

Ultimately, the point remains that not using him as a weapon against Freeza was a stupid decision on his part, and nothing you say can change my mind on that. The fool let pride win over logic

[Yasai9001]

Yes, but you have to keep in mind that Saiyans were far moreso brutes than actual masters of Martial Arts/Combat. None of them knew how to control their ki - they thrived on dominating their opponents and getting caught up in their bloodlust instead of focusing on control of one's self. Paragus, a former colonel of The Saiyan army, was far too ignorant to be able to teach his Broly the proper fundamentals for controlling his anger and having better control of his power. Instead of trying to adhere to his son's mental handicap, he used his intelligence in building a shock collar for him.

The Saiyans don't know anything about raising anyone any normal kind of way. If Broly were to be raised under someone like say Kami, Korin, Roshi, etc, even they would all still have trouble keeping him normal. Broly's power was a danger to himself and everyone else around him if not controlled properly; you're speaking about Broly being raised normally as if The Saiyans had the patience or the tolerance for that rubbish.

And it took for Broly witnessing Gohan controlling his rage from going over the breaking point to really get it. What full-blooded Saiyan from Broly's generation or prior would have the knowledge to teach him any of that when it's hard as hell for the normal Saiyan warrior to learn to get rid of weaknesses such as their tail or losing sense of themselves when transformed as an Oozaru? Come on, bruh.

If he turned out alright on the most hostile planet ever with the worst father of all time, then he would have turned out alright in Saiyan Society, as shit as it was, it's that simple.

And if Paragus could figure out the shock collar to control him, King Vegeta could have had his scientists come up with something even better to keep him under control when he lost his cool.

Ultimately, the point remains that not using him as a weapon against Freeza was a stupid decision on his part, and nothing you say can change my mind on that. The fool let pride win over logic

Using Broly as a weapon against Freeza is logical, yes, but when you understand the depths of Freeza's power and how much that would have pushed a much younger and inexperienced Broly, then it's safe to assume he would have.lost control of himself unless you want to debate that Broly would have been far stronger than Freeza's Final Form (100%) as a kid or even a young adult.

I'm not saying that King Vegeta was the smartest man or that using Broly as a weapon was a bad idea, but the chances of it backfiring on them considerably would have been horrible; to add to what you were saying about Broly turning alright on a hostile planet, that's merely because he knew that the monsters he fought weren't like people and he always had his dad to listen to. You saw how easy it was for that one Freeza soldier bullying his friend to make him angry. All it would take is for Broly to be somewhere unsupervised one time and one time only and the entire planet is probably in shambles, lol. And who's to say he even needs to be unsupervised with this next point I'm about to make.

And before I do, I can't argue about King Vegeta getting his scientists to conjure up something, and I'm sure if he wanted to, he could, but do you really think they could have developed something to keep Broly contained when he's about to lash out? The shock collar didn't work for shit whenever he blew his lid against Vegeta in Dragon Ball Super: Broly.

All in all, it's really a toss-up. Saiyans didn't have the patience, tolerance, knowledge, or wisdom to actually sit another warrior down and teach them about spirit/ki control and controlling one's anger - Saiyans thrived on their anger and excitement for battle because that's all they knew as their key to power (asides Oozaru). Trying to teach that, which was all they knew, to someone like Broly would have ended in a near sure disaster.

Best case scenario is that King Vegeta tries to set up a parlay of sorts with Freeza on some other planet or on his ship and decide to let Broly take everyone out, including himself and the planet, which he was about to do on Earth anyway.