Dragon Ball Genkida Matsuri 2026 DBS remaster, DBS galactic patrol arc, Age 1000 announced.

[JulieYBM]

If anyone was interested in Daima's events becoming "canon" to Super, that may be a wish beyond Shenron's capabilities.

Not to mention, they wouldn't to do so much disservice to a new variant of SS4 to make it get fodderized by Beerus. That's not how you sell a fancy new form, especially since it's still got tons of merch to come (and DLC appearances in heavy hitters like FighterZ). People thinking it would appear on King Kai's Planet in that fight aren't taking many things into their attention.

It would also be doing disservice to Toriyama's legacy itself considering it's the last thing he left us with.

Toriyama wouldn't give a shit, he'd toss Super Saiyan 4 right under a bus for the hell of it lol

[The Dark Knight]

Toriyama wouldn't give a shit, he'd toss Super Saiyan 4 right under a bus for the hell of it lol

There would be no buses available to throw it under, as they're all busy running over Ssj Blue.

[JulieYBM]

Toriyama wouldn't give a shit, he'd toss Super Saiyan 4 right under a bus for the hell of it lol

There would be no buses available to throw it under, as they're all busy running over Ssj Blue.

Super Saiyan Blue hair and pronouns has done jack shit and still has the longest life-span of any form, it's great.

[PhantomSaiyan]

Not to mention, they wouldn't to do so much disservice to a new variant of SS4 to make it get fodderized by Beerus. That's not how you sell a fancy new form, especially since it's still got tons of merch to come (and DLC appearances in heavy hitters like FighterZ). People thinking it would appear on King Kai's Planet in that fight aren't taking many things into their attention.

It would also be doing disservice to Toriyama's legacy itself considering it's the last thing he left us with.

This seems like a very overdramatic exaggeration.

No one is gonna be like "this transformation is the sacred last piece of legacy that the might Toriyama sensei has left us... We shall not dare to depict it losing against... Another Toriyama created character..."

Like... It ain't that deep man, it isn't more important than anything else he's done just because he died shortly after

[Shaddy]

It doesn't matter whether they acknowledge Daima or not. Dragon Ball's continuity is a gordian knot of contradictions and nonsense that simply isn't worth unraveling without a full-on reboot and remake. I'm still utterly baffled at the idea that Super 1.0 of all things could even be getting a remake on its own, that's such an underwhelming and stupid idea that ignores how its problems are in large part descended from trying to follow the end of the Buu saga at all.

[Xeogran]

Like... It ain't that deep man, it isn't more important than anything else he's done just because he died shortly after

Heroes did exactly that with MUI, Goku defeated every villain with it because it was the newest strongest form. So I assume that's the philosophy they operate with. Now the baton has been passed to new SS4, so they won't be making a BoG retcon just to have him be defeated in the place of SS3.

[JulieYBM]

Like... It ain't that deep man, it isn't more important than anything else he's done just because he died shortly after

Heroes did exactly that with MUI, Goku defeated every villain with it because it was the newest strongest form. So I assume that's the philosophy they operate with. Now the baton has been passed to new SS4, so they won't be making a BoG retcon just to have him be defeated in the place of SS3.

The Bandai producer has merchandise to shill and Heroes was specifically a project for doing just that. There was less creative influence from the actual staff for that series. Hell, there wasn't even an official series director credited.

A regular format series is going to have more of a creative vision.

[Vegard Aune]

Super Saiyan Blue hair and pronouns has done jack shit and still has the longest life-span of any form, it's great.

I mean... It beat Golden Freeza in its debut movie... And then it beat Broly...

I think that's literally it though? Every other major fight has either seen the heroes lose or been won using New And Improved Godly Forms.
Come to think of it the series is in a bit of a weird state there in that, as far as the anime is concerned, they kinda just went back to Blue after introducing Ultra Instinct. So far only the manga has actually continued to build on UI as a thing Goku actually wants to master. And then Super Hero just didn't have a role for Goku and Vegeta which... was refreshing tbh, even if they still had to shoehorn in Gohan to the story.

...Oh my god Super Saiyan Blue is the modern Genkidama. It only works in the movies.

[JulieYBM]

Super Saiyan Blue hair and pronouns has done jack shit and still has the longest life-span of any form, it's great.

I mean... It beat Golden Freeza in its debut movie... And then it beat Broly...

I think that's literally it though? Every other major fight has either seen the heroes lose or been won using New And Improved Godly Forms.
Come to think of it the series is in a bit of a weird state there in that, as far as the anime is concerned, they kinda just went back to Blue after introducing Ultra Instinct. So far only the manga has actually continued to build on UI as a thing Goku actually wants to master. And then Super Hero just didn't have a role for Goku and Vegeta which... was refreshing tbh, even if they still had to shoehorn in Gohan to the story.

...Oh my god Super Saiyan Blue is the modern Genkidama. It only works in the movies.

With Super Broly, I considered that more of a victory for fusion, rather than Blue. That being said, I actually love how Blue has stuck around and been used and the series hasn't just gone back to using Super Saiyan in the way that it is using Blue.

I fuckin' hate Kaiou-ken, but even with the fuckass coloring for the Super TV series, the Super Saiyan Blue Kaiou-ken popsicle still looks cool as hell, so I must concede to it.

[Koitsukai]

If anyone was interested in Daima's events becoming "canon" to Super, that may be a wish beyond Shenron's capabilities.

Not to mention, they wouldn't to do so much disservice to a new variant of SS4 to make it get fodderized by Beerus. That's not how you sell a fancy new form, especially since it's still got tons of merch to come (and DLC appearances in heavy hitters like FighterZ). People thinking it would appear on King Kai's Planet in that fight aren't taking many things into their attention.

It would also be doing disservice to Toriyama's legacy itself considering it's the last thing he left us with.

Toriyama wouldn't give a shit, he'd toss Super Saiyan 4 right under a bus for the hell of it lol

To add to that, SSG was introduced after 2 decades of nothing and got ran over by Beerus anyway.

[JulieYBM]

Not to mention, they wouldn't to do so much disservice to a new variant of SS4 to make it get fodderized by Beerus. That's not how you sell a fancy new form, especially since it's still got tons of merch to come (and DLC appearances in heavy hitters like FighterZ). People thinking it would appear on King Kai's Planet in that fight aren't taking many things into their attention.

It would also be doing disservice to Toriyama's legacy itself considering it's the last thing he left us with.

Toriyama wouldn't give a shit, he'd toss Super Saiyan 4 right under a bus for the hell of it lol

To add to that, SSG was introduced after 2 decades of nothing and got ran over by Beerus anyway.

The poor bitch got an insert song and she STILL lost lol

Wait, this happened for my girl Ultra Instinct, too rofl

[miguelnuva1]

Ultra Instinct lost its debut fight as well.

SS4 is also a reintroduced form not entirely new.

No one is going to stop buying merchandise because Goku lost to Beerus in a retelling nor itnit hurting Toriyama's legacy.

[JulieYBM]

Nobody buys merchandise because a form wins, they buy it because it looks sexy lol

[miguelnuva1]

Nobody buys merchandise because a form wins, they buy it because it looks sexy lol

Yeah SS3 wouldn't be as popular as it is if wins and loses mattered.

[FlpShimizu]

Nobody would ever buy a Vegeta figure if that was the case.

[funrush]

If anyone was interested in Daima's events becoming "canon" to Super, that may be a wish beyond Shenron's capabilities.

Not to mention, they wouldn't to do so much disservice to a new variant of SS4 to make it get fodderized by Beerus. That's not how you sell a fancy new form, especially since it's still got tons of merch to come (and DLC appearances in heavy hitters like FighterZ). People thinking it would appear on King Kai's Planet in that fight aren't taking many things into their attention.

It would also be doing disservice to Toriyama's legacy itself considering it's the last thing he left us with.

Toriyama wouldn't give a shit, he'd toss Super Saiyan 4 right under a bus for the hell of it lol

I am still not convinced that Toriyama would have even kept them as separate "canons", I have a feeling he would have thrown in a scene in a future thing where Goku goes SS4 and he's like "Yeah I don't use this one anymore huh"

"But what about when he goes SS3 against Beerus?" "But what about Kibitokai?" True and that's why they're separate canons in my head now. But Toriyama is notoriously forgetful when it comes to DB stuff, and he wasn't as involved in Super compared to the original manga. He probably wouldn't even be thinking about those issues. I guess his family or Toyble would know better than any of us, which is why I hope they're involved in the future of the franchise.

[JulieYBM]

Not to mention, they wouldn't to do so much disservice to a new variant of SS4 to make it get fodderized by Beerus. That's not how you sell a fancy new form, especially since it's still got tons of merch to come (and DLC appearances in heavy hitters like FighterZ). People thinking it would appear on King Kai's Planet in that fight aren't taking many things into their attention.

It would also be doing disservice to Toriyama's legacy itself considering it's the last thing he left us with.

Toriyama wouldn't give a shit, he'd toss Super Saiyan 4 right under a bus for the hell of it lol

I am still not convinced that Toriyama would have even kept them as separate "canons", I have a feeling he would have thrown in a scene in a future thing where Goku goes SS4 and he's like "Yeah I don't use this one anymore huh"

"But what about when he goes SS3 against Beerus?" "But what about Kibitokai?" True and that's why they're separate canons in my head now. But Toriyama is notoriously forgetful when it comes to DB stuff, especially for Super which he wasn't as involved in compared to the original manga. He probably wouldn't even be thinking about those issues.

I don't think he'd even bother with that, he'd just say, "I was asked to use Super Saiyan 4 later, just don't worry about why he doesn't use Super Saiyan 4 in the Dragon Ball Super stories I've already written."

Obviously, I would just do a retelling of the Super with Super Saiyan 4, but I'm not the one in charge lol.

[Vegard Aune]

If the remake thing does indeed end up being true, I sure would hope they do have Goku show of 4 against Beerus, and also have Kaioshin and Kibito already separate at the start. Just... frame it as a sequel to Daima from the outset. Granted there's still stuff that's hard to square like the two separate sets of "Original" Dragon Balls with wildly different origins, or Daima introducing a new "highest God above all" for no reason (as in, Limus had zero presence in the story and literally only exists as a lore drop that seems very hard to square with the Omni-King's existence) but including SS4 and keeping the "They had Boo defuse them" thing are very, very, very simple tweaks that wouldn't really affect anything since Super still had Kibitoshin just casually defuse off-screen at the first opportunity anyway.

[funrush]

Toriyama wouldn't give a shit, he'd toss Super Saiyan 4 right under a bus for the hell of it lol

I am still not convinced that Toriyama would have even kept them as separate "canons", I have a feeling he would have thrown in a scene in a future thing where Goku goes SS4 and he's like "Yeah I don't use this one anymore huh"

"But what about when he goes SS3 against Beerus?" "But what about Kibitokai?" True and that's why they're separate canons in my head now. But Toriyama is notoriously forgetful when it comes to DB stuff, especially for Super which he wasn't as involved in compared to the original manga. He probably wouldn't even be thinking about those issues.

I don't think he'd even bother with that, he'd just say, "I was asked to use Super Saiyan 4 later, just don't worry about why he doesn't use Super Saiyan 4 in the Dragon Ball Super stories I've already written."

Obviously, I would just do a retelling of the Super with Super Saiyan 4, but I'm not the one in charge lol.

Yeah. I didn't even mean showing Goku using SS4 as like a handwave, I just meant cause it's a cool form and it'd be fun to see it again. Kinda like how we see Vegeta go Super Saiyan God in the Broly movie even though that form was already outdated. I think maybe we'd get a chapter of Super where maybe we see Vegeta go Super Saiyan 4 or something along those lines.

But yeah I don't think he was concerned about what is canon and what's not. He's even avoided directly overwriting GT up until Daima introduces SS4 first. There's plenty of things that make Super incompatible with GT and yet up until recently they haven't been treating those as separate realities in marketing, and they never had Super stories taking place when GT is supposed to be. Although maybe that's just down to Toriyama enjoying writing the characters in their "Z" ages more, maybe it was more nostalgic to him.

If the remake thing does indeed end up being true, I sure would hope they do have Goku show of 4 against Beerus, and also have Kaioshin and Kibito already separate at the start. Just... frame it as a sequel to Daima from the outset. Granted there's still stuff that's hard to square like the two separate sets of "Original" Dragon Balls with wildly different origins, or Daima introducing a new "highest God above all" for no reason (as in, Limus had zero presence in the story and literally only exists as a lore drop that seems very hard to square with the Omni-King's existence) but including SS4 and keeping the "They had Boo defuse them" thing are very, very, very simple tweaks that wouldn't really affect anything since Super still had Kibitoshin just casually defuse off-screen at the first opportunity anyway.

I don't think Rymus is that hard to explain. They could say he's Zeno's dad or something and he's off in a different reality or something. There's ways to write around it although it is a strange deviation if they're supposed to be the same timeline.

[JulieYBM]

If the remake thing does indeed end up being true, I sure would hope they do have Goku show of 4 against Beerus, and also have Kaioshin and Kibito already separate at the start. Just... frame it as a sequel to Daima from the outset. Granted there's still stuff that's hard to square like the two separate sets of "Original" Dragon Balls with wildly different origins, or Daima introducing a new "highest God above all" for no reason (as in, Limus had zero presence in the story and literally only exists as a lore drop that seems very hard to square with the Omni-King's existence) but including SS4 and keeping the "They had Boo defuse them" thing are very, very, very simple tweaks that wouldn't really affect anything since Super still had Kibitoshin just casually defuse off-screen at the first opportunity anyway.

That's probably how they would do it, just as a sort of "pretend this is an extension of Dragon Ball Daima" for whatever reason. I'd love to see Super Saiyan 4 getting swung around by the tail by Beerus, though.

Rymus just seems like he would be the Zen-Ou before the current one. Perhaps his dad? Like, the design feels like it's meant to be that, anyway. Heck, maybe even do a storyline where Rymus dies and is replaced by the current Zen-Ou and we get to see that the current Zen-Ou is still learning. Literally anything is possible.