Has the hype for Daima died down?

[JulieYBM]

Daima is Super without the charm of an anime staff tossing in their own ideas and getting kind of funky with it. There's next to nothing to latch on to with its character writing or personalities.

I've said it one and I'll say it again: if Super's scripts had Daima's production time it would have been a tremendously better series overall. If Daima had Suoer's scripts, it would have been a tremendously better series overall, too.

I agree. Daima feels like a volume long Toriyama story stretched out across 20 episodes. I think it would have been a much better story if it were written and drawn by the man himself 20 years ago.

Pretty much. The beat-by-beat would have been more cohesive, too, because he would have inevitably modified the story throughout the process of drawing it himself.

[PhantomSaiyan]

I agree. Daima feels like a volume long Toriyama story stretched out across 20 episodes. I think it would have been a much better story if it were written and drawn by the man himself 20 years ago.

Yeah, it genuinely feels like one of Toriyama's random underdeveloped one shots but in Dragon Ball. It's fun in the moment but not too memorable

[Koitsukai]

Daima felt like a DLC, while the other series felt like proper videogames. Something you enjoy for its novelty but then move on to other things.

It didn't open up any new fronts for the fandom to delve into (it closed them, actually), and it was made in such a way that's divorced from the other continuations. Had it been made to fit GT or DBS, or even SDBH or games like XV, then maybe there would still be some resonance going.

[JulieYBM]

Daima felt like a DLC, while the other series felt like proper videogames. Something you enjoy for its novelty but then move on to other things.

It didn't open up any new fronts for the fandom to delve into (it closed them, actually), and it was made in such a way that's divorced from the other continuations. Had it been made to fit GT or DBS, or even SDBH or games like XV, then maybe there would still be some resonance going.

I'm a broke bitch who doesn't play video games often, but when I think about the one instance of DLC that I have played, I think of Final Fantasy VII Remake Episode Intermission, which was very much not forgettable lol.

God, I wish Dragon Ball Daima was as much fun and emotionally resonate as Episode Intermission...

[Koitsukai]

Daima felt like a DLC, while the other series felt like proper videogames. Something you enjoy for its novelty but then move on to other things.

It didn't open up any new fronts for the fandom to delve into (it closed them, actually), and it was made in such a way that's divorced from the other continuations. Had it been made to fit GT or DBS, or even SDBH or games like XV, then maybe there would still be some resonance going.

I'm a broke bitch who doesn't play video games often, but when I think about the one instance of DLC that I have played, I think of Final Fantasy VII Remake Episode Intermission, which was very much not forgettable lol.

God, I wish Dragon Ball Daima was as much fun and emotionally resonate as Episode Intermission...

Well, some DLCs are fucking awesome, most of Kakarot's are like short games more than DLCs. I guess I was thinking more about Kakarot's first DLCs that don't have much replay value.

[JulieYBM]

Daima felt like a DLC, while the other series felt like proper videogames. Something you enjoy for its novelty but then move on to other things.

It didn't open up any new fronts for the fandom to delve into (it closed them, actually), and it was made in such a way that's divorced from the other continuations. Had it been made to fit GT or DBS, or even SDBH or games like XV, then maybe there would still be some resonance going.

I'm a broke bitch who doesn't play video games often, but when I think about the one instance of DLC that I have played, I think of Final Fantasy VII Remake Episode Intermission, which was very much not forgettable lol.

God, I wish Dragon Ball Daima was as much fun and emotionally resonate as Episode Intermission...

Well, some DLCs are fucking awesome, most of Kakarot's are like short games more than DLCs. I guess I was thinking more about Kakarot's first DLCs that don't have much replay value.

Yeah, it sucks when DLC really isn't interesting. A series like Daima is the perfect chance to really break rules and get the characters to grow and change, but it just didn't really commit to that, unfortunately.

[BernardoCairo]

I agree. Daima feels like a volume long Toriyama story stretched out across 20 episodes. I think it would have been a much better story if it were written and drawn by the man himself 20 years ago.

I agree. In fact, I'd say that some (if not most) of his stuff from Manga Theater are actually more memorable than Daima, at least for me. Cashman comes to mind right now.

[The Dark Knight]

Daima felt like a DLC, while the other series felt like proper videogames.

Daima was pretty much written and produced as an extension of the Buu arc, so the DLC analogy isn't too far off.

[Mystic-han]

Seeing how they are using it less and less for promotion and marketing alongside it own products march getting less compared to others

Yes

[fadeddreams5]

The only times this series drew any hype were when Goku fought the first Tamagami with lovely animation, Vegeta went SSJ3, Goku went SSJ4, and when they turned back into adults. Everything else was not really getting much reaction. It's clear by the hyped episodes what most people actually wanted, and it was not an adventure series starring little kids.

I feel Daima will be mostly forgotten in 5 years. Or sooner.

[super michael]

The only times this series drew any hype were when Goku fought the first Tamagami with lovely animation, Vegeta went SSJ3, Goku went SSJ4, and when they turned back into adults. Everything else was not really getting much reaction. It's clear by the hyped episodes what most people actually wanted, and it was not an adventure series starring little kids.

I feel Daima will be mostly forgotten in 5 years. Or sooner.

Even if Daima gets forgotten, at least the anime didn't ruin any character.

[Grimlock]

Even if Daima gets forgotten, at least the anime didn't ruin any character.

Oh, but it most certainly did.

Bardock appears wearing his "modern outfit" instead of the right one. On that note, Vegeta is also wearing armor, when it should have been long gone after Cell saga.

Clothing can also ruin a character, and that's what it did to those two.

[The Dark Knight]

I feel Daima will be mostly forgotten in 5 years. Or sooner.

Daima was forgotten the minute the credits rolled on the final episode, and this is coming from someone who thinks Daima is the best story we've gotten since the original manga. The show just didn't click with the majority of fans, which I think is very unfortunate, because you can tell that everyone brought their A game to the table. I can't help but wonder if the show's reception would've been different had it come after an animated adaption of Moro and Granola, the stories fans have been asking for the most.

[Kenji]

I feel Daima will be mostly forgotten in 5 years. Or sooner.

Daima was forgotten the minute the credits rolled on the final episode, and this is coming from someone who thinks Daima is the best story we've gotten since the original manga. The show just didn't click with the majority of fans, which I think is very unfortunate, because you can tell that everyone brought their A game to the table. I can't help but wonder if the show's reception would've been different had it come after an animated adaption of Moro and Granola, the stories fans have been asking for the most.

I'll have to respectfully disagree with that statement.
The animators felt like they were giving it their A-game, sure, but I really didn't feel it anywhere else.

The writers felt more like they were making a Demon Realm Trivia Book first and a well-paced Story/Character Arc last.
This is coming from someone who largely doesn't care about the fight scenes in Dragon Ball and is more interested in seeing how stories and characters develop, and what messages the writers were trying to impart to their audience.

There was barely anything for me to enjoy about Daima, and to this day, I'm not even sure what was the message to begin with... Maybe other than the producers admitting they were banking on GT nostalgia to sell more toys? Which makes me feel Daima comes off less as a work of art, and more like a soulless product to be sold to an impressionable audience.

The portion of the fandom who mostly enjoys spectacle and fight scenes might have found something enjoyable in the fight scenes against the Tamagamis and the last few episodes, but I assume they were not very entertained by the repetition of GT's premise of turning main characters into children and doing a more light-hearted adventure-focused series, whether Toriyama was writing it or not.

Maybe people will remember the new forms, the fights against the Tamagamis and Gomah, but I don't think Daima really has anything else other than that to offer.

[PhantomSaiyan]

Even if Daima gets forgotten, at least the anime didn't ruin any character.

Oh, but it most certainly did.

Bardock appears wearing his "modern outfit" instead of the right one. On that note, Vegeta is also wearing armor, when it should have been long gone after Cell saga.

Clothing can also ruin a character, and that's what it did to those two.

That's a bit of an exaggeration

If you want to blame anything for Bardock's armor, blame Toriyama's Minus, it's not Daima's fault for following Toriyama's version of that story, or at least it's not the source of the problem

With Vegeta's armor, same thing applies really because in any post Buu saga material, Toriyama consistently put Vegeta in his Saiyan armor (Super, Daima, Yo Son Goku and his Friends are back, Nekomajin)

As good as the narrative of Vegeta looking less and less like a Saiyan and more like a human with each arc was, it's all made up by fans, it's literally not real, it's mere coincidence.
If Toriyama consistently put him in Saiyan armor after that, then it means he did not care for that narrative, he simply removed his armor for the Tournament rules in the Buu arc and that's that.

And even with all of that, it does not ruin Vegeta's character or his arc at all, because his growth is still there, he doesn't need matching outfits to prove he had character development. It's silly to think that him having the armor = character ruined

[Grimlock]

I'm mostly joking since I am entertaining super michael's endless cycle of complaining about characters and all that, though it is kind of true. I just prefer Bardock's other outfit and Vegeta without armor, that's all. Since Dragon Ball Daima doesn't really ruin characters, as far as I can remember, I figured I should point that out as a "detriment", jokingly.

[PhantomSaiyan]

I'm mostly joking since I am entertaining super michael's endless cycle of complaining about characters and all that, though it is kind of true. I just prefer Bardock's other outfit and Vegeta without armor, that's all. Since Dragon Ball Daima doesn't really ruin characters, as far as I can remember, I figured I should point that out as a "detriment", jokingly.

Oh my bad, I did not read the tone correctly at all then lmao I thought you were dead serious

[The Dark Knight]

The writers felt more like they were making a Demon Realm Trivia Book first and a well-paced Story/Character Arc last.

As someone who had been waiting to see the demon realm since Toriyama got back into the franchise 12 years ago, I do appreciate the emphasis on its lore, even if it wasn't handled perfectly. I do agree that the pacing felt off at times, but the character arcs were definitely there, although maybe not as well handled as they could've been. We saw Glorio go from a yes-man who never questioned anything to becoming his own character, we saw Arensu go from wanting to become queen to working with our heroes, we saw Kuu go from an underdog to saving the day and becoming king, we saw Duu go from being underestimated due to his looks to someone who can be relied on, we saw the Tamagami go from believing they were above everyone to respecting Goku as a warrior, and finally we saw Neva go from blindly following Gomah to helping Goku defeat him. Again, an argument can be made that they weren't handled perfectly, but they were clearly there. Vegeta of all characters finally started fighting without trash talking his opponent; that's an improvement from before.

Daima comes off less as a work of art, and more like a soulless product to be sold to an impressionable audience.

GT and especially Super come off as that, way more than Daima does. Daima felt like a Toriyama project through and through, which is far more than I can say for the other two. The only other project that truly felt like Toriyama was invested in was Battle of Gods. That movie definitely handled its character arcs better, but to say Daima had none at all is honestly false.

Maybe people will remember the new forms, the fights against the Tamagamis and Gomah, but I don't think Daima really has anything else other than that to offer.

The art and animation.
The fight choreography.
The Tamagami.
Kuu and Duu.
The lore of the Demon realm.
The exploration.
The new forms.

Daima had plenty to offer.

[JulieYBM]

At some point in the production, somebody decided that Dragon Ball Daima was not going to be structured into scripts like a standard anime and that is, I think, part of the major issue at hand. Having a first-time series director—Yashima Yoshitaka—combined with only a single writer—Kakihara Yuuko—and some decision to havs the scripts closely monitored by Toriyama Akira and Iyoku Akio and only Toriyama's ideas being catered to, is ultimately why Dragon Ball Daima is as bad as it is. That's a run-on sentence lol

I hate to keep harping on the Tournament of Power all the time, but those exhibition and receuitment hit so hard because the staff are exercising their own creative ideas and experiences as writers and series directors a series director that trusts their staff to come up with ideas that can help make a better television series is a good series director.

[The Dark Knight]

At some point in the production, somebody decided that Dragon Ball Daima was not going to be structured into scripts like a standard anime and that is, I think, part of the major issue at hand. Having a first-time series director—Yashima Yoshitaka—combined with only a single writer—Kakihara Yuuko—and some decision to havs the scripts closely monitored by Toriyama Akira and Iyoku Akio and only Toriyama's ideas being catered to, is ultimately why Dragon Ball Daima is as bad as it is. That's a run-on sentence lol

That's because Daima was not written or produced as a standard anime, it was originally going to be a streaming show with less, but longer episodes. Things changed once he passed away, as Fuji TV decided they wanted it last minute as a result of it being the last work of his. Daima's structure works better as ten episodes with forty minute run times; that's how I did it on my re-watch and it flowed much better.