Dragon Ball Genkida Matsuri 2026 DBS remaster, DBS galactic patrol arc, Age 1000 announced.

[The Dark Knight]

Just stop pretending to be shocked that so many others are nowhere nearly as enthused about it as you are.

I am actually a bit surprised with the mixed reaction this remake/remaster is getting, as it's addressing all the complaints fans have had with Super over the past decade. It looks better, the animation is better, the pacing will be better, and it'll have a more serious tone in-line with Z. I would understand the negativity had it been taking resources away from new material, but it's not, we're actually getting the new material we've been asking for.

[JulieYBM]

I think the reaction to Dragon Ball Super: Beerus is overblown. Internet fandom—fandom in general—always takes harmless things like this a personal attack, which I will forever roll my eyes at. How many different ways do people need to get up that a re-edit is going to exist when it's not going to get in the way of anything? If I'm not having a fun time watcihng it, who is to blame for me continuing to watch it? Me.

[Noah]

From my point of view, that reaction is understandable, because even though the first DBS arcs look like ass, that still doesn’t justify wasting time with a remaster or anything like that (obviously ignoring profit reasons).

Especially Battle of Gods, which isn’t even that complicated of a story to deserve a fourth version. Now, if it were a full remake, not just focused on improving animation quality, but also the narrative, and maybe even fixing the plot holes DAIMA left... Then maybe, who knows?

I think most people here would rather see the Moro arc already instead of having to go through remastered Super arcs again.

[SupremeKai25]

I find it highly dubious that there's only one team working on the Super series. In my view, the A team at Toei is working on the Moro arc adaptation, while the B team is working on the remaster. Resources are not being shuffled around: It's not like the Moro arc is being delayed for this remaster.

Rather, Toei is covering all grounds and producing a cheaper product (Super remaster) to keep interest in the franchise while working on the new product (the Moro adaptation from scratch). One doesn't affect the other. The team working on Moro is not going to be finished until 2027, remaster or not. Getting a remaster of the old series is a nice bonus.

[kemuri07]

My default stance is this: They can't hurt me anymore because as far as I'm concerned, Dragon Ball ended with Goku flying away with Uub. Everything else has either been fun distractions (Daima, the last couple of movies) or shit that I can ignore (Minus, Super, Heroes, etc).


If Super genuinely brings you joy, then go off king/queen. Like what you like and don't let me stop you from enjoying it. But--and I cannot stress this enough--I will shit on Super every chance I get. Partly because it amuses me, but mostly because I do think its a show that not only fundamentally misunderstands what made DB/Z compelling anime, but just what makes shonen work in general. It has no identity of its own because it's too busy grave robbing a superior show for nearly every single moment that raises past decency, and I don't think I need to say anything about how it treats the franchise's central character that more than several hundred threads here (some even made by the same two people!) can tell you. And lets be real: A couple of re-edited and redrawn scenes are not going to fix the rot at the core of this series. Say what you want about Kai, but it was still working off of the Dragonball manga.



If all you want is the Goku and Vegeta show. That's cool. But I've long since given up any expectation that they can do anything more than nostalgia bait...and maybe a decent movie every couple of years.

[MasenkoHA]

From my point of view, that reaction is understandable, because even though the first DBS arcs look like ass, that still doesn’t justify wasting time with a remaster or anything like that (obviously ignoring profit reasons).

It would be understandable if all we were getting was the remaster. But we’re not.

, and maybe even fixing the plot holes DAIMA left... Then maybe, who knows?

I would hope most people would have just reached the conclusion that Daima and Super are different timelines? Daima didn’t create any plot holes it just basically ignored Super all together. It did to Super what Super did to GT.

The only argument seems to be “Toriyama was involved with both so they both have to be canon” ignoring Toriyama’s level of involvements between the two were pretty different

[Skar]

I'm excited to see Moro finally animated. Not too excited for the movies being reanimated a third time but I'll probably wait to bingewatch the enhanced version before Moro arc begins next year.

Something I'm happy about is that the studio acknowledges there's room for improvement. The most frustrating argument during Super's run from certain fans was "something similarly bad has happened before in the franchise therefore you should accept it happening in Super to any extreme". Any minor criticism of bad animation, inconsistency, confusing writing, etc. It was the most defeatist (not sure what to describe it) argument possible for fiction and never used for any good sequel that holds up on its own. Not even fanfic writers have tried that to defend their own stories so makes sense why it wouldn't work for anything official and why a studio would never use it.

I'm hoping we won't hear that this time around. There could some criticism of Toriyama's decision but a more focused version that doesn't suffer from "too many cooks in the kitchen" would still be a major improvement. A lot of scenes that were criticized as not being inconsistent or out of character might not have been from Toriyama anyway. I'm curious to see what they do cut.

[Noah]

It would be understandable if all we were getting was the remaster. But we’re not.

What do you mean?

I would hope most people would have just reached the conclusion that Daima and Super are different timelines? Daima didn’t create any plot holes it just basically ignored Super all together. It did to Super what Super did to GT.

The only argument seems to be “Toriyama was involved with both so they both have to be canon” ignoring Toriyama’s level of involvements between the two were pretty different

Well, yes... if you ignore the fact that DAIMA references stuff from Super, that could be the case. As for me, I couldn’t care less about the argument of whether Toriyama was involved or not to make a product canon within the series. It’s just that I believed his final product would be more than just a tribute and actually something to be included in the 'main story'.

[Mr Baggins]

I am actually a bit surprised with the mixed reaction this remake/remaster is getting

Brother, I don't even know what reactions you're referring to. Is there someone acting like their pet died, or are you just misinterpreting apathy to mean negativity?

Maybe if we had the barest peek or confirmation into what this roadmap is looking like outside of movie retellings, I'd be more interested. But they're pretty mum about that officially.

[MasenkoHA]

It would be understandable if all we were getting was the remaster. But we’re not.

What do you mean?

I mean we know Galactic Patrol is coming so why complain about this Super remaster? It’s there to kill time and can just be ignored

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Well, yes... if you ignore the fact that DAIMA references stuff from Super, that could be the case. As for me, I couldn’t care less about the argument of whether Toriyama was involved or not to make a product canon within the series. It’s just that I believed his final product would be more than just a tribute and actually something to be included in the 'main story'.

Does Daima reference Super beyond giving lip service to Universe 7 being where the character are from? Like anything beyond that?

The main story ended in 1995. Everything also exists to cash grab the nostalgia. In Daima’s case it seemed specifically to give GT fans a bone. I don’t think Toriyama went out of his way to contradict Super but I think it speaks to how little involved he actually was in Super that he just actively contradicts it in Daima anyways.


Is Super:Beerus gonna include Super Saiyan 4 Goku fighting Beerus in place of Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta? Maybe but probably not


Is Super:Champa (assuming it happens) gonna explain how the Super Dragon Balls and Makai Dragon Balls both inspired the Namekian Dragon Balls? Maybe but probably not

[JulieYBM]

Super: Beerus needs to include Beerus kicking Super Saiyan 4's ass so that I can make more gay furry jokes. It's homophobic not to include Super Saiyan 4.

[Noah]

I mean we know Galactic Patrol is coming so why complain about this Super remaster? It’s there to kill time and can just be ignored.

I’m just saying that I understand the feeling of those who are complaining about the remaster, mainly because they’d like to see something new animated as soon as possible, not because it’s harmful to the franchise or anything like that.

Does Daima reference Super beyond giving lip service to Universe 7 being where the character are from? Like anything beyond that?

Don’t you think it’s kind of a big deal in Episode 10 for Gowasu and the other universes’ Kaioshin to appear in a lore explanation?

Is Super: Beerus gonna include Super Saiyan 4 Goku fighting Beerus in place of Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta?

Is Champa (assuming it happens) gonna explain how the Super Dragon Balls and Makai Dragon Balls both inspired the Namekian Dragon Balls? Maybe but probably not.

Now those would definitely justify a remake. That said, speaking for myself, even though I find it weird, I can accept DAIMA as an alternate timeline in the multiverse. The explanation that Goku achieved SSJ4 just by training after Boo has to be one of the LAZIEST justifications I’ve ever seen across the entire series.

[Mister_Popo]

I do like that we’re getting versions of these arcs that combine the “best of both worlds.”

I really want this to be true, but I'm worried it will still be 90% anime remaster and maybe 10% of manga stuff. Things like GoD Clash that was in the manga but not in the anime would take a lot of resources to animate well. I fear they may skimp out on that one for example. Alongside some other manga stuff that would be entirely new material to the anime.

There's still a chance this remake may be "worst of both worlds"

Best of both worlds” might not have been the right way to put it on my part. The manga and the anime only shared the same basic storyline, but the execution was actually completely different: fights involved different characters or were carried out in a totally different way. That makes a faithful manga adaptation impossible, since much of the content consists of fights. The battles from the old DBS anime will inevitably form the foundation of the new version, with occasional additions or changes from the manga to make everything fit the narrative leading into the Moro arc more smoothly.

A God clash or Beerus vs. Mastered Blue Vegeta would be awesome, but I don’t know if we’ll get those kinds of extended extras, since they seem more inclined to cut down on content in order to focus on quality. Of course, they may always surprise us…

[dbgtFO]

Something I'm happy about is that the studio acknowledges there's room for improvement. The most frustrating argument during Super's run from certain fans was "something similarly bad has happened before in the franchise therefore you should accept it happening in Super to any extreme". Any minor criticism of bad animation, inconsistency, confusing writing, etc. It was the most defeatist (not sure what to describe it) argument possible for fiction and never used for any good sequel that holds up on its own. Not even fanfic writers have tried that to defend their own stories so makes sense why it wouldn't work for anything official and why a studio would never use it.

I'm hoping we won't hear that this time around. There could some criticism of Toriyama's decision but a more focused version that doesn't suffer from "too many cooks in the kitchen" would still be a major improvement. A lot of scenes that were criticized as not being inconsistent or out of character might not have been from Toriyama anyway. I'm curious to see what they do cut.

All of this definitely!
Always hated those stupid arguments that would be cooked up back in the day, defending Super's atrocious animation, art, sound design etc.
It was like insane troll arguments, completely refusing to listen to reason, because levelling criticism at the creators just means you are ungrateful and "hey look Z also had some bad animation some times!"

It really was the worst DB had ever looked until they started making amends in later arcs with fewer poorly animated scenes and then getting absolute peak in ToP.

[Scsigs]

I don’t care about animation as much as about them revising the scripts. Please, make Pilaf kids make sense! Or that godawful part with rock, paper, scissors.
6 episode length is reasonable.

Wonder about new openings.

IMO, the extended cut of the movie is the best version of the story. Tripling its length in the show was a mistake because the pacing of the story felt off. It was written as a movie & they didn't convert it well to a TV arc.

I don’t care about animation as much as about them revising the scripts. Please, make Pilaf kids make sense!

The Pilaf kids were one of the things that brought Toriyama back to the franchise, if I’m remembering correctly.

I’m fuzzy on some details, but if I remember right, Toriyama saw “Dragon Ball Evolution,” and didn’t like it, but there was nothing he could do about it. A few years later, he sees the material for “Battle of Gods,” and doesn’t like it, and decides to do something about it. Instead of rubber stamping the movie and then collecting his mailbox money, he redid a bunch of the designs, turned the Super Saiyan God from a beefy dude with a beard and a cape to a slim redhead, redesigned the lizard man villain to look like his cat, created Whis so that guy had someone to interact with, and basically redid the whole story. I think the original story was Beerus had the power to make people evil, and he used it on Krillin and 18’s wedding so everybody tries to kill each other. Toriyama didn’t like the story, thought it was too dark, so he added the Pilaf gang and a ton of humor, changed Beerus’s personality and basically redid the whole story, with apologies to the screenwriter, who didn’t even really get to complain because holy crap Toriyama is making Dragon Ball again.

I tend to see this perception that the darker the material, the closer it must be to the Original Vision. But Toriyama was a gag manga artist to begin with, and he was open about not really liking it when things got too serious. He said he liked Bardock and Story of Trunks, but he couldn’t have written them because they were too sad.

We fans take stuff seriously, and we want to see the material taken seriously. But that has nothing to do with Toriyama. He wasn’t that guy.

So, Toei wanted to make something new with DB in the mid-2000s, mainly because merch sales were down at Bandai, but they wanted Toriyama's involvement to develop it. Toriyama didn't wanna be involved, so they elected to do Kai instead. Come 2009 when Evolution comes out, Toriyama's disappointed & feels disrespected because they didn't take any of his advice to make the movie better. Come 2012 or so when they're making Battle of Gods, Toriyama got directly involved in writing the film & completely redid a lot of what they had as a "Fuck you" to the Fox execs. IIRC, he replaced some other characters with the Pilaf gang, they weren't one of the reasons he did the movie.

IIRC, yeah, he liked Bardock, but couldn't see himself writing a story like that. Not necessarily because it was too sad, but because of how dark & serious it was, since it's a classic tragedy (not necessarily sad, but that it ended in the way it did). He DID give it a nod in the manga, though, since it came out weeks before that chapter did. The closest he got was writing the bonus chapter Trunks: The Story which was then adapted into the History of Trunks special which made it an actual story since the chapter was just basically cliffnotes for an actual story. It's also not as much of a tragedy since it's a prequel to a story that gets a happy ending.

To be honest, the Kai’s redraws were of poor quality and sometimes questionable to begin with, but it was always doomed to look jarring because of the inevitable mix of different technologies and practices in anime production, hence we can safely assume, that all results wouldn’t mix well.

With Super being produced in digital age, the result will be far better. I don’t see any reason to be afraid in the visual dept.

Kai's redraws are jarring because they were clearly done on the cheap & quickly. A lot of them were just digital rotoscopes that didn't bother to make the drawings more on-model when they were clearly poorly-drawn back in the day. They just traced what was there. Some were fine, they just stood out like a sore thumb because they were digitally animated to either reframe the shots, or redo the strobing effects so people wouldn't get seizures watching the show (watching clip comparisons, yeah, I'm glad they did). Against the actually remastered film footage from Z that was animated with cels, it wasn't great.

[Fizzer]

All the conversations around Super: Beerus make it seem like the entirety of Super is getting the enhanced remaster treatment, but has there been any confirmation that it's not literally just the BoG arc?

[Hellspawn28]

I wish they use a different title for the Super remake. Dragon Ball Shin Super would be a cool title to use.

[miguelnuva1]

Apprantly it's going around that the enhanced Super is going to make Goku more serious compared to the 2015 version.

[JulieYBM]

All the conversations around Super: Beerus make it seem like the entirety of Super is getting the enhanced remaster treatment, but has there been any confirmation that it's not literally just the BoG arc?

Outside of Ajay, who has insider information telling him that the Golden Freeza arc is also being enhanced, no.

[Fizzer]

All the conversations around Super: Beerus make it seem like the entirety of Super is getting the enhanced remaster treatment, but has there been any confirmation that it's not literally just the BoG arc?

Outside of Ajay, who has insider information telling him that the Golden Freeza arc is also being enhanced, no.

The fact that they've just announced one short arc doesn't make me hopeful that they're actually doing the entire anime, honestly...