The TV Anime Series Dragon Ball Super: Beerus will be broadcast on Fuji TV in the fall of 2026

[Koitsukai]

Vegeta killing Freeza at the end of the Golden Freeza arc really only works if there is a character arc for Vegeta in that story arc, which as-is, there is not really such a thing. The Golden Freeza arc is a Gokuu story first-and-foremost, so unless there was an idea for a Vegeta arc that got dropped somewhere, we're kind of fucked lol.

But there could already be an overarching character arc for him in place. If you take into account that Freeza wasn't really the big bad that ended the saiyans but just the tool. In the Granny arc, he learns it was Beerus all along, and he went nuts, he wasn't so over it like many people claimed back in 2015.
I do wonder, if with this in mind, is more fitting for Vegeta to kill Freeza or not.

Not to mention a wound opened on Namek. I, personally, believe that the humiliation Freeza suffered at the hands of SSB Vegeta was enough to close the wound... had he not died in the blast.

[JulieYBM]

Vegeta killing Freeza at the end of the Golden Freeza arc really only works if there is a character arc for Vegeta in that story arc, which as-is, there is not really such a thing. The Golden Freeza arc is a Gokuu story first-and-foremost, so unless there was an idea for a Vegeta arc that got dropped somewhere, we're kind of fucked lol.

But there could already be an overarching character arc for him in place. If you take into account that Freeza wasn't really the big bad that ended the saiyans but just the tool. In the Granny arc, he learns it was Beerus all along, and he went nuts, he wasn't so over it like many people claimed back in 2015.
I do wonder, if with this in mind, is more fitting for Vegeta to kill Freeza or not.

Not to mention a wound opened on Namek. I, personally, believe that the humiliation Freeza suffered at the hands of SSB Vegeta was enough to close the wound... had he not died in the blast.

There needs to be new scenes and dialogue baked into the full Golden Freeza arc from the onset, though. With any luck, they'll just hire a writer and write some. Vegeta killing Freeza randomly would be completely let down without proper build up within the arc itself, like Gokuu killing Freeza was.

[Luso Saiyan]

I'm 99% sure it won't happen, but I just wish they'd animate Jaco the Galactic Patrolman at this point. Preferably before the Golden Freeza redo. I feel like introducing Jaco as a character before that arc should be one of their priorities. I'd even settle for a super quick recap from Bulma to the gang, honestly. Just... SOMETHING, you know? Take this opportunity to turn this into THE definitive modern Dragon Ball story.

I agree. And it's such a small story that they could use as a prologue before the airing of the new arc to establish the existence of the Galactic Partol and even the fun of Jaco as a character.

If this new remaster was a little more ambitious, they'd take the opportunity to keep everything consistent across the board (from designs, colors and events) and reference Minus from the get go when appropriate, but I'm afraid they won't do anything of the sort.

[Yuji]

My main wish is for them to keep the movie's original arc for Goku, of being disappointed with not achieving God on his own, and Beerus' arc of being bored in the anime. I mean both were present in both versions to varying degrees but a synthesis would be nice.

Not sure if I prefer Goku's defiance from the anime or admitting defeat like the film, but either way please cut the absorbing God into Super Saiyan nonsense.

[JulieYBM]

My main wish is for them to keep the movie's original arc for Goku, of being disappointed with not achieving God on his own, and Beerus' arc of being bored in the anime. I mean both were present in both versions to varying degrees but a synthesis would be nice.

Not sure if I prefer Goku's defiance from the anime or admitting defeat like the film, but either way please cut the absorbing God into Super Saiyan nonsense.

I doubt that they will do this, but gawd, I hope that they kind of stress that Gokuu is scared that Super Saiyan God is proof that he ie unable to improve on his own anymore. Let the man age! Let him face normal man fears!

[Koitsukai]

Sorry, this just hit me but this means that awful Copy Vegeta arc is definitely not going to happen, right?

[Zephyr]

Do you have a link to any statements by Toriyama or some staff member from Toei/Shueishia speaking on his behalf? I've heard of Toriyama being dissatisfied with the quality of Super's early episodes (like we all were), but I've never seen anything about him wanting the movies remade.

Didn't remember exactly where/when this was said, so I had to dig a bit. Looks like it was from an audio recording of a 2017 interview with some of the production staff. Kanzenshuu's write-up on said interview tells us:

They explain that incorporating the theatrical films Battle of Gods and Resurrection ‘F’ into the new television series was Toriyama’s idea, and was part of introducing the characters Beerus and Whis, who the producers deemed essential to the story, to children who may not have already seen the movies.

[JulieYBM]

Sorry, this just hit me but this means that awful Copy Vegeta arc is definitely not going to happen, right?

Why would it is the idea is to cut down the length of each arc? Toriyama did not have a hand in those episodes.

[BernardoCairo]

Sorry, this just hit me but this means that awful Copy Vegeta arc is definitely not going to happen, right?

Can you even call that an arc? It's awful. Just like the cheating Gohan storyline.

But I'll miss the baseball episode.

[JulieYBM]

Sorry, this just hit me but this means that awful Copy Vegeta arc is definitely not going to happen, right?

Can you even call that an arc? It's awful. Just like the cheating Gohan storyline.

But I'll miss the baseball episode.

Anything counts as an 'arc'. For television series, we tend to just assume an 'arc' is a collection of episodes, but it's really just a storyline that could exist throughout even just a single episode.

[BernardoCairo]

Yes, but when it comes to Dragon Ball, we tend to give a special meaning to the word "arc," which generally consists of a large number of episodes/chapters that tell a big story. Within these so-called "arcs," we have many smaller arcs/character arcs, of course.
What I meant is that it's strange to consider something like Copy Vegeta as one of those big story arcs (which I see some people doing sometimes)

[JulieYBM]

Yes, but when it comes to Dragon Ball, we tend to give a special meaning to the word "arc," which generally consists of a large number of episodes/chapters that tell a big story. Within these so-called "arcs," we have many smaller arcs/character arcs, of course.
What I meant is that it's strange to consider something like Copy Vegeta as one of those big story arcs (which I see some people doing sometimes)

It's a three episode arc, so I think we should just expect people to adapt to thinking outside of their preconceived notion of an arc only being a billion episodes long.

[IntangibleFancy]

I'm sad that they probably aren't going to remake DBS Broly. That's like the one Super movie I actually want to see put into the anime.
They apparently had a lot of content that had to be cut from the movie
I would love to see a longer Planet Vegeta flashback, see young Raditz, King Vegeta, turles Easter egg, king cold, etc
Hopefully better transformation sequences for SSB Gogeta and LSS Broly, because I hate that scene of them in that dimension thing. It hurts my eyes, I don't like the CGI, and their biggest transformations are just sped through - Broly going LSS in his original movie was one of the most iconic scenes in the franchise.

I'm also sad the filler is gone. I would have loved some post-ToP slice of life episodes leading up to a Broly adaption, and then another set with Broly, Chelai and Lemo.

[JulieYBM]

I'm sad that they probably aren't going to remake DBS Broly. That's like the one Super movie I actually want to see put into the anime.
They apparently had a lot of content that had to be cut from the movie
I would love to see a longer Planet Vegeta flashback, see young Raditz, King Vegeta, turles Easter egg, king cold, etc
Hopefully better transformation sequences for SSB Gogeta and LSS Broly, because I hate that scene of them in that dimension thing. It hurts my eyes, I don't like the CGI, and their biggest transformations are just sped through - Broly going LSS in his original movie was one of the most iconic scenes in the franchise.

I'm also sad the filler is gone. I would have loved some post-ToP slice of life episodes leading up to a Broly adaption, and then another set with Broly, Chelai and Lemo.

Doing a Broly arc would require either having the rights to re-edit the film or having the resources to do it all over from scratch, which is precisely what will be difficult given the Dragon Ball Super: The Galactic Patrol anime is currently in production and will be taking up said resources. I, myself, personally, would have loved to see a fleshed out television retelling of the Broly and Super Hero arcs, but I suspect that is not in the cards given the announced projects and available staff.

[Chuquita]

Re: Goku and the idea of facing the fear of being able to improve further without help like ssjg and how age impacts

We're likely never getting past EoZ in animation (The upcoming DBO inspired Year 1000 game though...?), but l personally really like the tragemance of year 801 and the unusual heaviness and mystery of it as there's a bunch up for interpretation, imo.

It's implied Goku is the one something health related is happening to (is he at the precipice of his strength and sees that rapid aging coming for him in the rear view mirror and is terrified? Is it a specific health issue?) and he convinces Vegeta to secretly run away with him to battle each other to death. And Vegeta agrees to this! What do Bulma and Chichi think of this? Is Chichi alive? Are they both dead? Even so, what about the kids?

DBO is so interesting to me, even if it's too far into the future of the timeline for parts of it to be animated.

[JulieYBM]

Re: Goku and the idea of facing the fear of being able to improve further without help like ssjg and how age impacts

We're likely never getting past EoZ in animation (The upcoming DBO inspired Year 1000 game though...?), but l personally really like the tragemance of year 801 and the unusual heaviness and mystery of it as there's a bunch up for interpretation, imo.

It's implied Goku is the one something health related is happening to (is he at the precipice of his strength and sees that rapid aging coming for him in the rear view mirror and is terrified? Is it a specific health issue?) and he convinces Vegeta to secretly run away with him to battle each other to death. And Vegeta agrees to this! What do Bulma and Chichi think of this? Is Chichi alive? Are they both dead? Even so, what about the kids?

DBO is so interesting to me, even if it's too far into the future of the timeline for parts of it to be animated.

It's so romantic how Gokuu and Vegeta run off to beat each other to death like that. Okay, that sounds insincere in text, but I do mean it! Old man yaoi, whoo!!

Like, Toriyama's obviously trying to convince himself that he was writing Dragon Ball for kids. I don't think that he was particularly successful at making a work that was good for kids. That being said: I, myself, me, the woman commenting on Dragon Ball on some internet forum somewhere, am a grown woman and therefore find digging a little deeper and getting a little more real about how life begins to feel when you're around our age and Gokuu's age, to be really interesting.

A little existential dread never hurt anyone!

[Chuquita]

Re: Goku and the idea of facing the fear of being able to improve further without help like ssjg and how age impacts

We're likely never getting past EoZ in animation (The upcoming DBO inspired Year 1000 game though...?), but l personally really like the tragemance of year 801 and the unusual heaviness and mystery of it as there's a bunch up for interpretation, imo.

It's implied Goku is the one something health related is happening to (is he at the precipice of his strength and sees that rapid aging coming for him in the rear view mirror and is terrified? Is it a specific health issue?) and he convinces Vegeta to secretly run away with him to battle each other to death. And Vegeta agrees to this! What do Bulma and Chichi think of this? Is Chichi alive? Are they both dead? Even so, what about the kids?

DBO is so interesting to me, even if it's too far into the future of the timeline for parts of it to be animated.

It's so romantic how Gokuu and Vegeta run off to beat each other to death like that. Okay, that sounds insincere in text, but I do mean it! Old man yaoi, whoo!!

Like, Toriyama's obviously trying to convince himself that he was writing Dragon Ball for kids. I don't think that he was particularly successful at making a work that was good for kids. That being said: I, myself, me, the woman commenting on Dragon Ball on some internet forum somewhere, am a grown woman and therefore find digging a little deeper and getting a little more real about how life begins to feel when you're around our age and Gokuu's age, to be really interesting.

A little existential dread never hurt anyone!

The choice of year 801, the number pun for yaoi, as the year they secretly run away together is inspired and I appreciate however that idea was decided on.

Existential dread is an intriguing motivator for Goku and I do think getting older brings more investment into this plot line. Like I think about more what happens in the aftermath of the event to everyone left behind by Goku and Vegeta. Bra's only in her 20's, Gohan Goten and Trunks are all still middle age-ish.

I can absolutely buy Goku convincing Vegeta to do it though.

[JulieYBM]

Re: Goku and the idea of facing the fear of being able to improve further without help like ssjg and how age impacts

We're likely never getting past EoZ in animation (The upcoming DBO inspired Year 1000 game though...?), but l personally really like the tragemance of year 801 and the unusual heaviness and mystery of it as there's a bunch up for interpretation, imo.

It's implied Goku is the one something health related is happening to (is he at the precipice of his strength and sees that rapid aging coming for him in the rear view mirror and is terrified? Is it a specific health issue?) and he convinces Vegeta to secretly run away with him to battle each other to death. And Vegeta agrees to this! What do Bulma and Chichi think of this? Is Chichi alive? Are they both dead? Even so, what about the kids?

DBO is so interesting to me, even if it's too far into the future of the timeline for parts of it to be animated.

It's so romantic how Gokuu and Vegeta run off to beat each other to death like that. Okay, that sounds insincere in text, but I do mean it! Old man yaoi, whoo!!

Like, Toriyama's obviously trying to convince himself that he was writing Dragon Ball for kids. I don't think that he was particularly successful at making a work that was good for kids. That being said: I, myself, me, the woman commenting on Dragon Ball on some internet forum somewhere, am a grown woman and therefore find digging a little deeper and getting a little more real about how life begins to feel when you're around our age and Gokuu's age, to be really interesting.

A little existential dread never hurt anyone!

The choice of year 801, the number pun for yaoi, as the year they secretly run away together is inspired and I appreciate however that idea was decided on.

Existential dread is an intriguing motivator for Goku and I do think getting older brings more investment into this plot line. Like I think about more what happens in the aftermath of the event to everyone left behind by Goku and Vegeta. Bra's only in her 20's, Gohan Goten and Trunks are all still middle age-ish.

I can absolutely buy Goku convincing Vegeta to do it though.

There's something so untouched by seeing these characters grow and change into ages that they have largely not been allowed to. Gokuu and Vegeta's kids growing into adulthood after so many out-of-universe decades largely feeling bound in child roles and appearances by the franchise helps push forth that feeling of things ending and never quite being the same again.

Gokuu is, like, 42 when he first battles Beerus. That's a far cry from the 20-something year old fighting the Saiyans and Freeza or even the Artificial Humans. People change from their 20s to their 30s, and inevitably change again in their 40s. It's scary stuff and a real challenge that Gokuu hasn't face before, which makes for good drama!

[Chuquita]

I think about how in EoZ Goku notes how Bulma looks old and she's upset at him and Vegeta for not having physically aged alongside her and while Goku's being lighthearted about that, I feel like it would hit him differently once it's his own immediate family who start aging without him while only he and Vegeta remain in their prime, leaving them both feeling isolated and uneasy.

Like it's possible there's a point in the future where a stranger mistakes Goku for Goten's brother, and then further down the road people mistake Goku for Gohan's son, and I can see that messing with his head a little.

I could also see those eventual first few grey hairs give Goku panic in a way they wouldn't to Vegeta because I feel Vegeta would handle the inevitable aging better than Goku, but still not enough to not be persuaded by Goku to battle him to the death.

None of this will be covered of course, but DBO lore is really interesting to me and I like to theorize about it.

[BernardoCairo]

So... Geekdom said in his last video that he heard they're trying to bring some elements from the manga to these remake arcs. I don't know how far they'd go in that regard, but I'd love to see Goku using Super Saiyajin God against Hit in the Universe 6 tournament. The way Toyotaro handled the God form wasn't perfect, but it was much better than in the anime.

When it comes to Battle of Gods in particular, I don't really remember anything so special from the manga version that I desperately wanted to see adapted into the anime.