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[JulieYBM]

It would be easier to just keep Super and Daima as separate continuities than including SSJ3 Vegeta and SSJ4 Goku only to have them lose to Beerus and never appear again. They replaced by stronger forms after the first arc so only other time they would appear is if Goku decides to cycle through all his forms like against Jiren.

That's precisely how all the transformations are treated. The staff cycle through them so that they can remind kids to buy merchandise, so Super Saiyan 4 Gokuu and Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta would likely show up more than once. That's how these series work. Dragon Ball Super: Beerus is a cheap toy commercial, just like all of the other animated projects.

[Skar]

That's precisely how all the transformations are treated. The staff cycle through them so that they can remind kids to buy merchandise, so Super Saiyan 4 Gokuu and Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta would likely show up more than once. That's how these series work. Dragon Ball Super: Beerus is a cheap toy commercial, just like all of the other animated projects.

I don't know how much actual merchandise they're selling for each form. I don't think having SSJ4 lose to Beerus in BoG then reappear briefly in the ToP going to result in more sales compared what had already sold for Daima. In most cases, sales peak for any product then decline no matter how times they show up somewhere.

[JulieYBM]

That's precisely how all the transformations are treated. The staff cycle through them so that they can remind kids to buy merchandise, so Super Saiyan 4 Gokuu and Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta would likely show up more than once. That's how these series work. Dragon Ball Super: Beerus is a cheap toy commercial, just like all of the other animated projects.

I don't know how much actual merchandise they're selling for each form. I don't think having SSJ4 lose to Beerus in BoG then reappear briefly in the ToP going to result in more sales compared what had already sold for Daima. In most cases, sales peak for any product then decline no matter how times they show up somewhere.

I imagine that those forms would appear in the other arcs. That being said, Dragon Ball Super statues of Super Saiyan 4 Gokuu fighting Beerus feel like pretty big no brainers for the "that would be neat" category.

Does any of this actually matter? No, not really. Would it be neat, anyway? Sure, of course.

[Skar]

I imagine that those forms would appear in the other arcs. That being said, Dragon Ball Super statues of Super Saiyan 4 Gokuu fighting Beerus feel like pretty big no brainers for the "that would be neat" category.

Does any of this actually matter? No, not really. Would it be neat, anyway? Sure, of course.

SSJ3 Goku that barely appeared throughout Super. I just mean there doesn't seem to be some effort to maximize the appearance of this forms for the sake of merchandise sales. The few times it appeared was for a storytelling reason. He used it against Trunks and Caulifa because they were in SSJ2 so he was showing them the next transformation and slowly measuring Jiren with each form. I don't know if there are any figurines out there of Goku using SSJ2 or 3 against Jiren.

[JulieYBM]

I imagine that those forms would appear in the other arcs. That being said, Dragon Ball Super statues of Super Saiyan 4 Gokuu fighting Beerus feel like pretty big no brainers for the "that would be neat" category.

Does any of this actually matter? No, not really. Would it be neat, anyway? Sure, of course.

SSJ3 Goku that barely appeared throughout Super. I just mean there doesn't seem to be some effort to maximize the appearance of this forms for the sake of merchandise sales. The few times it appeared was for a storytelling reason. He used it against Trunks and Caulifa because they were in SSJ2 so he was showing them the next transformation and slowly measuring Jiren with each form. I don't know if there are any figurines out there of Goku using SSJ2 or 3 against Jiren.

Super Saiyan 3 Gokuu is also a lot older of a form. Even then, the Heroes games are usually big on the whole "use all of the various forms to sell more cards" thing. I don't pay a ton of attention to merchandise because I'm broke and it mostly looks ugly lol.

[Skar]

Super Saiyan 3 Gokuu is also a lot older of a form. Even then, the Heroes games are usually big on the whole "use all of the various forms to sell more cards" thing.

Well Heroes was different because it was a video game so almost every Saiyan character gained almost every Saiyan transformation. Even then it still had like a standard product lifecycle of eventually reaching a peak then ending.

I don't pay a ton of attention to merchandise because I'm broke and it mostly looks ugly lol.

I feel this applies to a lot of fans. Wanting a character or form to appear on screen doesn't mean that fan is going go out and buy any merchandise. Studios usually know their audience more than us. That's why a lot of times when fans make predictions or argue what the studio should do to maximize profits from other fans the studio doesn't actually do it. It's usually a generalization of how average fan thinks when it wouldn't work on the people making these predictions or lead to them spending more on the franchise.

[JulieYBM]

Super Saiyan 3 Gokuu is also a lot older of a form. Even then, the Heroes games are usually big on the whole "use all of the various forms to sell more cards" thing.

Well Heroes was different because it was a video game so almost every Saiyan character gained almost every Saiyan transformation. Even then it still had like a standard product lifecycle of eventually reaching a peak then ending.

I don't pay a ton of attention to merchandise because I'm broke and it mostly looks ugly lol.

I feel this applies to a lot of fans. Wanting a character or form to appear on screen doesn't mean that fan is going go out and buy any merchandise. Studios usually know their audience more than us. That's why a lot of times when fans make predictions or argue what the studio should do to maximize profits from other fans the studio doesn't actually do it. It's usually a generalization of how average fan thinks when it wouldn't work on the people making these predictions or lead to them spending more on the franchise.

All of these shows are vehicles for selling Heroes and other mechandise, which is why they advertise during the commercials with Heroes merchandise ads and such. Long-running series don't get by without having someone from their toy partner in the room making requests or suggestions to push their line, hence my continued suggestion that it really isn't out of the question for them to slip in Super Saiyan 4 for 45-to-60-seconds. Compilation projects have hardly not made bigger changes before.

We'll see what they do in nine-ish months, I guess!

[Skar]

All of these shows are vehicles for selling Heroes and other mechandise, which is why they advertise during the commercials with Heroes merchandise ads and such. Long-running series don't get by without having someone from their toy partner in the room making requests or suggestions to push their line, hence my continued suggestion that it really isn't out of the question for them to slip in Super Saiyan 4 for 45-to-60-seconds. Compilation projects have hardly not made bigger changes before.

We'll see what they do in nine-ish months, I guess!

I mean every cartoon or anime wants to sell merchandise. I think it comes secondary compared to telling a story that fans would be invested in watching because a big part of the audience would never see those ads or that merchandise might not be available in their countries which they seem to be taking into consideration now.

SH grossed less than some of the old DBZ movies in Japan but I think grossed more than Broly internationally. I don't know how much of that international audience who paid to watch it in theaters went out and bought SH related merchandise. They might include Daima in Super for the sole purpose of selling some merchandise or they might consider it a negligible increase in sales and not worth changing the story for it.

[JulieYBM]

All of these shows are vehicles for selling Heroes and other mechandise, which is why they advertise during the commercials with Heroes merchandise ads and such. Long-running series don't get by without having someone from their toy partner in the room making requests or suggestions to push their line, hence my continued suggestion that it really isn't out of the question for them to slip in Super Saiyan 4 for 45-to-60-seconds. Compilation projects have hardly not made bigger changes before.

We'll see what they do in nine-ish months, I guess!

I mean every cartoon or anime wants to sell merchandise. I think it comes secondary compared to telling a story that fans would be invested in watching because a big part of the audience would never see those ads or that merchandise might not be available in their countries which they seem to be taking into consideration now.

SH grossed less than some of the old DBZ movies in Japan but I think grossed more than Broly internationally. I don't know how much of that international audience who paid to watch it in theaters went out and bought SH related merchandise. They might include Daima in Super for the sole purpose of selling some merchandise or they might consider it a negligible increase in sales and not worth changing the story for it.

Considering the obscene amount of anime merchandise one can randomly buy at a US store/mall now, I don't think they'll consider a few small changes that big a deal. Making one story change isn't going to be a herculean task when they're already making others. If they include Super Saiyan Black Gokuu in upcoming Super merchandise, it won't be unlikely that they'll just toss in a new Super Saiyan 4 Gokuu or Vegeta.

[Skar]

Considering the obscene amount of anime merchandise one can randomly buy at a US store/mall now, I don't think they'll consider a few small changes that big a deal. Making one story change isn't going to be a herculean task when they're already making others. If they include Super Saiyan Black Gokuu in upcoming Super merchandise, it won't be unlikely that they'll just toss in a new Super Saiyan 4 Gokuu or Vegeta.

Well I think SSJ Goku Black was mentioned in Toriyama's outline but left out of the anime for whatever reason. Black already has a version of SSJ so drawing him with blonde hair for a few scenes is easier than changing the story to include forms from a different continuity and artstyle. We don't even know if they're going to include SSJ in the anime since he only used it briefly in the manga before unlocking Rose.

[WittyUsername]

I’m not even a huge Daima fan, but I thought the fact that it was so disconnected from everything going on in Super and told a standalone story that doesn’t have multiple different interpretations was kinda refreshing. I think trying to make it fit in with Super would just make the latter an even more convoluted mess.

[JulieYBM]

Considering the obscene amount of anime merchandise one can randomly buy at a US store/mall now, I don't think they'll consider a few small changes that big a deal. Making one story change isn't going to be a herculean task when they're already making others. If they include Super Saiyan Black Gokuu in upcoming Super merchandise, it won't be unlikely that they'll just toss in a new Super Saiyan 4 Gokuu or Vegeta.

Well I think SSJ Goku Black was mentioned in Toriyama's outline but left out of the anime for whatever reason. Black already has a version of SSJ so drawing him with blonde hair for a few scenes is easier than changing the story to include forms from a different continuity and artstyle. We don't even know if they're going to include SSJ in the anime since he only used it briefly in the manga before unlocking Rose.

I mean, what story changes need to be made, exactly? If they can create a new character model for Super Saiyan Gokuu Black and assign staff to toss together a few new shots to show that off, they can do the same for literally anything else in existence. The overall story doesn't need to be changed. I'm not sure why you think these need to be things handled in two totally different ways.

[super michael]

I doubt their going to leave

Ultra Instinct SS4 Goku

Ultra Ego SS4 Vegeta

Ego Instinct fusion and

Instinct Ego SS4 fusion off the table.

Way to much merch that could be sold off these 4 concepts.

If they cared about merchandise then how come we haven't got these:

Perfect fusion Teen Gotenks and his transformation
Pan as a Super Saiyan
Goten beyond SSJ
Trunks beyond SSJ
Gogeta SSJ2, SSJ3, SSG, SSBE, UI and UE

[Skar]

I mean, what story changes need to be made, exactly? If they can create a new character model for Super Saiyan Gokuu Black and assign staff to toss together a few new shots to show that off, they can do the same for literally anything else in existence. The overall story doesn't need to be changed. I'm not sure why you think these need to be things handled in two totally different ways.

It's not just the transformations but also some of the lore makes it seem like it was intended as separate sequel to the Buu saga. Kaioshin and Kibito are already defused, there's a new god that probably won't ever be mentioned in Super, there's a different original set of Dragonballs, and Kaioshin are revealed to be just a subspecies of demons.

[Cold Skin]

To me, they will surely leave Super, GT and Daima well-separated rather than trying to fix any logic needed for them to connect properly.
I can see them avoiding to shed a bad light on transformations such as Super Saiyan 4: they wouldn't want the climax of a series to be shown as "see? That ultimate transformation that gets you hyped up in Daima is NOTHING in Super, as Beerus just flicks it away and Super Saiyan God already surpasses it by far".

They'll also avoid getting convoluted ways to sync the story like "Kaio Shin and Kibito fused, and then defused in Daima, and then refused in between, and then defused in Super somewhere along the way, and then refused before GT".
They'll just silently leave it as "they defused that way in Daima, they defused that way in Super and they never defused in GT, because that's the way each of those stories unfold on their own, period".

On another subject, what are some of the things you'd like to see animated in the upcoming arcs from the Galactic Patrol and beyond?
(I'll put the example in spoiler tags just in case someone hasn't read the manga and doesn't want to know everything that's coming) Are you most impatient to see...

Spoiler:

- the battle on Namek with Moro's weird energy tricks and the ancestral Kaio Shin coming back?
- the battle on Earth involving a big number of fighters like the Earthlings or C-17 coming back?
- Ultra Instinct being more and more mastered by Goku for more and more impressive badass scenes?
- new characters in anime form with a definitive voice, like Moro, Granola, Merus and the Heaters?
- the extensive flashbacks about Bardack?
- the battle on planet Cereal with Granola and his unparalleled ability to aim at deadly spots, as well as Ultra Ego appearing?
- the battle on planet Cereal with Gas and his unusual "weapons creation" and "sky trains" technics, with his appearance and behavior becoming more and more morbid?
- Black Freeza's demonstration of ultimate power?
- the high school antics of Goten and Trunks who have now become charismatic teenagers?
- the 2D version of Super Hero?
- the intense training battle between Broly, Gohan Beast, Ultra Instinct Goku, Ultra Ego Vegeta, Goten and Trunks?

[JulieYBM]

I mean, what story changes need to be made, exactly? If they can create a new character model for Super Saiyan Gokuu Black and assign staff to toss together a few new shots to show that off, they can do the same for literally anything else in existence. The overall story doesn't need to be changed. I'm not sure why you think these need to be things handled in two totally different ways.

It's not just the transformations but also some of the lore makes it seem like it was intended as separate sequel to the Buu saga. Kaioshin and Kibito are already defused, there's a new god that probably won't ever be mentioned in Super, there's a different original set of Dragonballs, and Kaioshin are revealed to be just a subspecies of demons.

But none of that would get in the way of just having Gokuu and Vegeta use those new forms, especially given how close after Daima's end Super: Beerus is going to be airing. While I do suspect that Kibito and Kaiou-shin will appear in Super: Beerus as separate characters, just like Toriyama originally intended for Battle of Gods, I don't think it's a problem to just have Kibito and Shin merged back together for whatever reason.

[PhantomSaiyan]

It would definitely be kinda silly to have Shin and Kibito defuse refuse defuse and refuse etc... It would give the continuity an even sloppier feeling than in generally has in Dragon Ball. Especially in this hypothetical scenario where we have SSJ3 Vegeta and SSJ4 Goku. Like, if you wanna go connect Super and Daima, why not go the extra mile?

Those two have no desire to be fused together, I don't see how it could happen unless Old Kai pranks them again

[DanielSSJ]

The one issue that I personally have with retconning Daima stuff into Newper is that SS4 and God both exist to contrast the three yellow haired Super Saiyans. Super Saiyan God would leave a much weaker impression coming off the heels of another primarily red form (though Super Saiyan God is over 10 years old, so it's not like first impressions are necessarily a priority). Otherwise, I think the most economic way to accommodate Daima would just be to acknowledge them in dialogue to explain why they aren't appearing ("Even if I could still go SS4, it wouldn't be enough to beat Beerus"/"Kakarrot already used SS3 and lost. I might as well conserve my stamina")

[JulieYBM]

The one issue that I personally have with retconning Daima stuff into Newper is that SS4 and God both exist to contrast the three yellow haired Super Saiyans. Super Saiyan God would leave a much weaker impression coming off the heels of another primarily red form (though Super Saiyan God is over 10 years old, so it's not like first impressions are necessarily a priority). Otherwise, I think the most economic way to accommodate Daima would just be to acknowledge them in dialogue to explain why they aren't appearing ("Even if I could still go SS4, it wouldn't be enough to beat Beerus"/"Kakarrot already used SS3 and lost. I might as well conserve my stamina")

I think it's a stronger impression, because it winds up feeling parred down and restrained in response to Super Saiyan 4, which is even more extravagant than Super Saiyan 3. The similar color has an effect of "Going in the same direction, but restrained."

[Mr Baggins]

The one issue that I personally have with retconning Daima stuff into Newper is that SS4 and God both exist to contrast the three yellow haired Super Saiyans. Super Saiyan God would leave a much weaker impression coming off the heels of another primarily red form (though Super Saiyan God is over 10 years old, so it's not like first impressions are necessarily a priority).

I concur that SS4 parallels SSG in that way. They have a similar color palette and follow the same "red after yellow" progression, but are polar opposites in design philosophy – one is skinny and elegant with a brighter hue, the other bulky and bestial with a darker hue. Thinking of them more as alternate branch forms depending on the continuity is so much cleaner than just forcing SS4 into Battle of Gods to appease a vocal minority.

Also, it won't look nearly as good under Yamamuro's design sheets. Those designs were made for a different series with a whole different artstyle and look best under that style.

Nothing wrong with keeping Daima and Super separate, as was obviously intended given the plethora of reasons laid out by many of us ITT. And if Sparking! ZERO is anything to go off of, that's exactly what they'll do.