MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection! (Updated 2/16/26!)

[Scsigs]

So, I rewatched a few of the episodes between the Battle of Gods & Res F arcs of Super just the other day, mainly just to see if they actually explained how Vegeta god SS God & Blue which I didn't remember that they did.

Blue was never explained in any version of the story (movie, anime, or manga), but Goku says in episode 27 that Vegeta reached SsjG without the need for the ritual. He didn't go into detail about how that happened, just that it did.

Yeah, therein lies the problem. Now, Toriyama didn't care to go into detail on how the characters attained the various Super Saiyan forms outside of Goku going Super Saiyan for the first time, Gohan attaining SS2, & Goku getting SS God (don't know if I would count Ultra Instinct, Gohan's Beast mode, or Ultra Ego since, while they ARE transformations like Super Saiyan, they're not classified as variants of Super Saiyan & I'm not gonna count SS4 in Daima since that's not really attaining the form, it's Neva basically using a cheat code to unlock it for Goku), so the movie left it vague as to how exactly Vegeta got it. The show at least seeded the idea with Vegeta slowly learning to sense people with God Ki, then eventually learning to unlock SS God on his own. I, however, have some problems with it since Battle of Gods established you get it through the ritual & I don't get how you can just unlock it through physical training. It seems to defeat the purpose of the ritual a bit & the form being so special & hard to attain normally, imo.

[The Dark Knight]

I, however, have some problems with it since Battle of Gods established you get it through the ritual & I don't get how you can just unlock it through physical training. It seems to defeat the purpose of the ritual a bit & the form being so special & hard to attain normally, imo.

I think they jumped the shark by introducing blue so soon. What I would've liked to seen is the ritual being required each time the form was needed, basically making it fusion on steroids where instead of two people needing to be present to form a stronger being, six people would need to be present. For one thing, it would keep the power levels in check, as the villains that would require the heroes to resort to such a form would be far and few between. Another thing is that it would make characters like Freeza, Piccolo, & #17 catching up to Goku and Vegeta (who would regularly use Ssj2 and Ssj3) more believable.

As for blue, some fans speculated early one (back in 2015) that it was a weaker form than SsjG due to it not needing a ritual; I would take that premise and run with it. What I would've done with Blue is have it be the form a Siayan transforms into when they didn't use up all their god ki while fighting as a SsjG. UI and UE would remain as is; forms only attainable through training with Whis and Beerus, but I would have introduced them a lot later than they were originally, likely towards the end of whatever they have planned.

[Scsigs]

I think they jumped the shark by introducing blue so soon. What I would've liked to seen is the ritual being required each time the form was needed, basically making it fusion on steroids where instead of two people needing to be present to form a stronger being, six people would need to be present. For one thing, it would keep the power levels in check, as the villains that would require the heroes to resort to such a form would be far and few between. Another thing is that it would make characters like Freeza, Piccolo, & #17 catching up to Goku and Vegeta (who would regularly use Ssj2 and Ssj3) more believable.

As for blue, some fans speculated early one (back in 2015) that it was a weaker form than SsjG due to it not needing a ritual; I would take that premise and run with it. What I would've done with Blue is have it be the form a Siayan transforms into when they didn't use up all their god ki while fighting as a SsjG. UI and UE would remain as is; forms only attainable through training with Whis and Beerus, but I would have introduced them a lot later than they were originally, likely towards the end of whatever they have planned.

I personally am fine with Blue being introduced when it was, but it just coming out of nowhere is really odd & I think the movie should've revolved around Goku & Vegeta still working to master Super Saiyan God, but they can't quite get it, but Blue is a workaround form that allows them to tap into the God ki, but isn't as powerful, until they can. It'd add some stakes to the movie at the very least & some actual forward momentum in the plot that it desperately needs.

[WittyUsername]

In my opinion, Super Saiyan Blue ideally wouldn’t exist at all, but Super Saiyan God was popular and post-Freeza Dragon Ball has always been all about the transformations, so I guess they just had to introduce another form in the next movie.

Anyway, Chi-Chi’s depiction in Super is pretty bad, but that’s nothing new when it comes to how Toei writers her.

[Scsigs]

In my opinion, Super Saiyan Blue ideally wouldn’t exist at all, but Super Saiyan God was popular and post-Freeza Dragon Ball has always been all about the transformations, so I guess they just had to introduce another form in the next movie.

Anyway, Chi-Chi’s depiction in Super is pretty bad, but that’s nothing new when it comes to how Toei writers her.

It's certainly weird how Super's supposed to be Toriyama's intentions from the manga (hence why they tried to make Goku less outwardly heroic & more selfish, but failed & just made him too selfish to the point of unlikability & stupid to the point you wonder how he manages to live). At least after the first arc, because I thought they played him pretty well there where he's more humble & just doesn't know how big numbers work, he would just rather be training than doing field work, which is very Goku.

[Paleomario66]

In my opinion, Super Saiyan Blue ideally wouldn’t exist at all, but Super Saiyan God was popular and post-Freeza Dragon Ball has always been all about the transformations, so I guess they just had to introduce another form in the next movie.

Anyway, Chi-Chi’s depiction in Super is pretty bad, but that’s nothing new when it comes to how Toei writers her.

In all fairness, SSJ on top of godly ki in base is kind of a natural progression of that idea, so I can see why they'd introduce another form (Even if marketing was the main motivation). However, the film still failed to make Blue remarkable in any way, and the retelling actually improved that a bit with slightly better buildup (there's a scene where Goku and Vegeta clash, and a blue aura flashes around them, and where they train inside Whis' staff and learn to harness god ki on their own) and a longer introduction sequence.

If I were to rewrite DBS, I would support the idea of Super Saiyan God getting more focus in Resurrection F instead, but for that to work, I'd have to cut out that plot from the end of BoG (which I think Super is better off without anyway, given that most of the series acts like that never happened).

Regarding Chi-Chi, I don't like her in general (after the 23rd Budokai arc), especially accounting for how Toei filler flanderizes her. But the reason her writing in Super, especially in this stretch, bothers many other people (whether they're typically fans of her or not) is that it's character regression from how she was in the Boo arc. She was more mellowed out in that arc, and even trained Goten in the basics of martial arts.