Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

Post by Bento-uri » Tue Feb 17, 2026 6:49 pm

PhantomSaiyan wrote: Mon Feb 16, 2026 10:49 amit's the natural progression of things
"Natural" has little to no place Super. Goku and Vegeta as pals has been a staple in fanfic since the days of DBZSC and Saiyan Island. If Super can cater to internet memes (which it does in spectacular fashion), it can certainly cater to that.
PhantomSaiyan wrote: Mon Feb 16, 2026 10:49 amit's a sign of character development for Vegeta.
Development wise, the character grounds to a halt at the end of Z. That's what I think.
PhantomSaiyan wrote: Mon Feb 16, 2026 10:49 amVegeta still hating Goku after the Buu saga would be incredibly redundant and annoying.
Maybe, but there's a middle ground called tolerating, which Vegeta seemingly bypasses. He goes from "I can't stand the sight of this guy" to "My life is meaningless if I'm not chasing him around all the time."

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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

Post by JulieYBM » Tue Feb 17, 2026 6:58 pm

Vegeta spends every face-to-face interaction with Gokuu in the Artificial Humans arc and Majin Buu arcs flirting with him, it's hardly a surprise that they're now big, sweaty gym buddies during the Super arcs.
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

Post by Chuquita » Tue Feb 17, 2026 7:17 pm

In Super it looks like both of them wanting to spend time together and no longer just one-sided on Vegeta's part, imo. Goku Kool-Aid manning it though the wall learning Vegeta's training under Whis and Goku wanting to join in, how they are with each other after returning to Earth (episode 29?) and the lead up to the green couch scene. They're close in that version of events.

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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

Post by JulieYBM » Tue Feb 17, 2026 7:24 pm

Two guys, living together, alone in a vast, endless dimension with nobody else but each other. They are literally the last two people alive on the planet and still have one another. It's so romantic!
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

Post by PhantomSaiyan » Tue Feb 17, 2026 10:36 pm

Bento-uri wrote: Tue Feb 17, 2026 6:49 pm "Natural" has little to no place Super. Goku and Vegeta as pals has been a staple in fanfic since the days of DBZSC and Saiyan Island. If Super can cater to internet memes (which it does in spectacular fashion), it can certainly cater to that.
So just because it existed in fanfictions then it's not natural? It exists in fanfictions BECAUSE It's natural.
It started in the Buu saga if anything. Nothing wrong with keeping the duo going. Like I've said, they are the last two Saiyans alive, them training together at some point was not only natural, but the only possible outcome. You're the only one that wants to deny it, enjoy your unpopular opinion I guess, we'll keep having fun.
Bento-uri wrote: Tue Feb 17, 2026 6:49 pm it's a sign of character development for Vegeta.
Development wise, the character grounds to a halt at the end of Z. That's what I think.
That's a crazy statement, You could say it for Goku, or a lot of other characters, but Vegeta is literally the one that gets the most development, both in the anime and manga. Really makes me think like you've watched something different than the rest of us.
Bento-uri wrote: Tue Feb 17, 2026 6:49 pm Maybe, but there's a middle ground called tolerating, which Vegeta seemingly bypasses. He goes from "I can't stand the sight of this guy" to "My life is meaningless if I'm not chasing him around all the time."
When will people on the internet stop doing the classic "I'm gonna dumb down this one thing and make it sound as stupid as possible just to further my point" thing?
He never said his life is meaningless if he doesn't "chase him around". He just chose to be actually smart about his training, and gain a. a training partner and b. a master that can actually teach him shit.
I guess you also forgot about him and Goku being on actual friendly terms in end of Z. Vegeta's grudge with Goku ended with his Buu saga speech, and every literate fan realized it.

But I guess that from this conversation I gathered that you want Vegeta's character to stay stupid and frozen in his Namek/Cell saga self

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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

Post by Koitsukai » Wed Feb 18, 2026 9:31 am

There’s also a perfectly sound reason for Geets and the idiot to be paired up. They’re chasing a rabbit in the form of a new godly power up, and that rabbit is located on a far, far away planet where only they are accepted. They’re bound to spend more time together, and Vegeta is bound to start warming up even more to Goku.
It’s not like Vegeta is casually dropping by Mt. Paozu with a six-pack and weed just because he feels like it. They are students of the same teacher, they've never trained before, they purposelly avoided that. Now they don't, that's progression.

After confessing his admiration for Goku in Z, the next natural step is to be even less hostile towards him.

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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

Post by super michael » Thu Feb 19, 2026 10:15 am

Goku managed to train Gohan to be the strongest fighter on earth and he managed to teach Goten and Trunks the fusion technique, so many fans were interested in how strong Goku and Vegeta would get if they trained together. It is too bad that they didn't teach each other their techniques.

DBS gets credit for having Goku and Vegeta train together. Having Whis train Goku, Vegeta and Broly is good. Just because Goku is a sensei himself, it doesn't mean he can't learn from other sensei.

Don't get me wrong DBS does have some great idea and it does have parts that makes it good.

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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

Post by Kenji » Thu Feb 19, 2026 10:52 am

super michael wrote: Thu Feb 19, 2026 10:15 amJust because Goku is a sensei himself, it doesn't mean he can't learn from other sensei.
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

Post by MCDaveG » Fri Feb 20, 2026 5:54 am

super michael wrote: Thu Feb 19, 2026 10:15 am Goku managed to train Gohan to be the strongest fighter on earth and he managed to teach Goten and Trunks the fusion technique, so many fans were interested in how strong Goku and Vegeta would get if they trained together. It is too bad that they didn't teach each other their techniques.

DBS gets credit for having Goku and Vegeta train together. Having Whis train Goku, Vegeta and Broly is good. Just because Goku is a sensei himself, it doesn't mean he can't learn from other sensei.

Don't get me wrong DBS does have some great idea and it does have parts that makes it good.
I don't see a problem with that in DBS. As Muten Roshi put it, there is always someone stronger. Makes sense, that Goku goes for teaching and training from someone like Beerus and Whis in this time period. Goku becomes Muten Roshi type (in the meaning of being master with disciple/s) and closes the full circle and the end of the original manga by taking Uub.

Story wise, it would be boring if Goku stopped debeloping himself, but it's true that if he reached his peak, he could still develop new techniques and such, which doesn't happen much anymore as it's the same old kamehameha and fist cuffs. Only development we saw in recent times were mainly through transformations and raising the Ki limits.
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

Post by super michael » Fri Feb 20, 2026 7:29 am

MCDaveG wrote: Fri Feb 20, 2026 5:54 am
super michael wrote: Thu Feb 19, 2026 10:15 am Goku managed to train Gohan to be the strongest fighter on earth and he managed to teach Goten and Trunks the fusion technique, so many fans were interested in how strong Goku and Vegeta would get if they trained together. It is too bad that they didn't teach each other their techniques.

DBS gets credit for having Goku and Vegeta train together. Having Whis train Goku, Vegeta and Broly is good. Just because Goku is a sensei himself, it doesn't mean he can't learn from other sensei.

Don't get me wrong DBS does have some great idea and it does have parts that makes it good.
I don't see a problem with that in DBS. As Muten Roshi put it, there is always someone stronger. Makes sense, that Goku goes for teaching and training from someone like Beerus and Whis in this time period. Goku becomes Muten Roshi type (in the meaning of being master with disciple/s) and closes the full circle and the end of the original manga by taking Uub.

Story wise, it would be boring if Goku stopped debeloping himself, but it's true that if he reached his peak, he could still develop new techniques and such, which doesn't happen much anymore as it's the same old kamehameha and fist cuffs. Only development we saw in recent times were mainly through transformations and raising the Ki limits.

Exactly no matter how strong someone is, there is someone stronger. I think that is good.
Goku is a sensei, but there can be better sensei than him.

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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

Post by BernardoCairo » Sat Feb 21, 2026 1:15 pm

After reading it myself, I would say Neko Majin Z.
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

Post by kprison » Mon Feb 23, 2026 6:03 am

I reflected on this for a while, a whole year in fact, and my conclusion is that Daima is the best solely by process of elimination. GT fundamentally misunderstands Son Goku to such an extent that I just can't say it's a legitimate sequel creatively, I don't even think the ending is that good, it's just better than the Z epilogue. If you stop watching Z like 3 episodes early then you have a better ending than GT right there.

Super has some good in it, but even if the upcoming remake "fixes" it, to the extent that's possible, the Super stories are still mostly reskins of older ideas. You get little twists here and there, the arrangement of those old ideas are a little different, but at its core it's just an attempt to copy Dragon Ball Z, not an improvement or evolution of it, and it's not even a very good copy for the most part. I like the Tournament of Power as an episodic spin on Dragon Ball, and I like Moro, but is that worth sitting through a glorified reunion special, an actual reunion special, Freeza but worse, the Afterlife Tournament but worse, Purple Vegeta, the Android arc but worse, Movies 8 and 12 combined except less interesting, and then... a better version of the Android arc, but still not a very good one?

No, it's not worth it. Even if Black Freeza winds up knocking it out of the park, even if they go on to do amazing things in the Super continuity, it's just too little too late at this point. I hate the continuity that's been established and I would never sit through it again, nor would I ask anyone else to. Even the Tournament of Power, which I enjoy, is not something I would watch a 3rd time. Some will say the manga is better and I guess it's true that the manga is easier to read, but it also never reaches particularly high highs and the basic things that make Super's premise boring are all still there.

So we're left with Daima. Daima is flawed, poorly paced, doesn't use its cast well, doesn't always make sense. It's very much a "streaming era" show, it reminds me of new Trek actually. New Trek is well produced, every episode of every show looks like a high budget movie, but they've abandoned the Berman era rules for writing that made it unique, the morals are hamfisted, the conflicts are contrived and unbelievable, and everything takes forever because they're trying to hook you into a binge.

Daima is exactly the same. It's well produced, there's at least one good fight scene every episode, the lore dumps are a cheap mechanism to hook you in, keep you hooked for the binge, but they didn't actually have a story to tell.

I don't like Daima fundamentally, HOWEVER I also don't find it offensively bad, the lore dumps actually do make the world more interesting, and it's mercifully short, short enough that the premium visuals do somewhat justify 20 minutes of attention. Also, while narratively unsatisfying, it gives me Super Saiyan 4, my favorite Saiyan transformation, without having to sit through terribly written Goku solving boring plots and playing Space Monopoly to get to it.

If I view Daima as a sort of thematic evolution of those original 13 Z movies, then I can justify it, and I can get some enjoyment out of it.

Honestly though, I don't *like* any of them. I like the original manga and I like most of the additional worldbuilding from the original anime run. If you consider some of the old anime original content from the OG DB and Z anime sequels or interquels, I'd actually vote for, like, the Wedding Dress arc, the Afterlife Tournament, the episodic training filler, things like that.

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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

Post by The Dark Knight » Mon Feb 23, 2026 8:13 am

kprison wrote: Mon Feb 23, 2026 6:03 am
I generally agree with what you said here, for the most part. All three of these sequels have aspects that I like, but unfortunately, for everything they get right, they get one or two things wrong that end up bringing down the entire product. I think the biggest issue facing a continuation of Dragon Ball is that Toriyama wrapped up every story arc and plot point by the time the manga concluded, which results in any long-term continuation being forced to retread old ground.

I think one of the advantages Daima had besides the long production schedule and Toriyama actually being involved with the project (unlike Super where he was involved in name only), is that it was picking up a plot point left unresolved from the original manga. The demon realm was brought up multiple times during the Buu arc, so going from Buu to Daima feels far more natural than going from Buu to Beerus or especially Baby. The latter two just feel superficial and tacked on, rather than the next logical chapter in the story.

Another thing I want to mention is that the type of flaws in Daima are far less sever than those found in Super and GT. Daima's flaws were the kind that could be fixed with a second draft, while Super and GT's would require a page one rewrite. Daima at its worst was a 6/10 for me, it never went below average, but Super and GT ? those two would regularly dip below 5 and sometimes be borderline unwatchable. Those two shows had some of the worst writing in any anime, not just DB, and I have no idea how they made it past the initial planning stages. Don't even get me started on the horrible art and animation those two have.

As someone who believes Dragon Ball should have ended with the Buu arc, Daima scratches that itch of wanting to see the characters go on one last adventure before truly saying goodbye to them. Although I am optimistic about this upcoming Super remake, as I truly believe it'll be an improvement over the original, I'm not sure that will be enough. How much can you improve when the core of the story is broken ? Resurrection F for example is just flat out bad; no amount of rewrites and changes will be able to change that. If that arc was a 0 in the original Super, is a 2 or 3 much better ? A bad show (Super 1.0) that's less bad (Super 2.0) is still a bad show.

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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

Post by Yuji » Mon Feb 23, 2026 8:40 am

The Super manga is a pleasant read, even if it's not to the level of the original manga. Its good ideas are well executed and the bad ones aren't as grating as the anime. The anime isn't something I ever thought to revisit in full, but the movies are good for a rewatch and Super does a good job of serving for highlight/clip fuel at least.

I have no desire to ever rewatch GT or Daima again. I could go the rest of my life forgetting they exist, Daima especially.

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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

Post by Bento-uri » Mon Feb 23, 2026 9:30 am

Yuji wrote: Mon Feb 23, 2026 8:40 am The anime isn't something I ever thought to revisit in full, but the movies are good for a rewatch and Super does a good job of serving for highlight/clip fuel at least.
I have no desire to ever rewatch GT or Daima again. I could go the rest of my life forgetting they exist, Daima especially.
Unlike GT, though, the world seems satisfied with Super. The Goku/Jiren fight setting an unprecedented viewership record and all those live screenings in streets... it sort of destroyed my hopes of there being a "true sequel" to DBZ in the future. Super is, for all intents and purposes, that sequel. It's highly unlikely that Toei, even twenty or thirty years from now, would make a series that renders Super non-canon.

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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

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Bento-uri wrote: Mon Feb 23, 2026 9:30 amIt's highly unlikely that Toei would make a series that renders Super non-canon.
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

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The Dark Knight wrote: Mon Feb 23, 2026 9:44 am
Bento-uri wrote: Mon Feb 23, 2026 9:30 amIt's highly unlikely that Toei would make a series that renders Super non-canon.
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That is a H-U-G-E point of contention, my friend.

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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

Post by The Dark Knight » Mon Feb 23, 2026 10:15 am

Bento-uri wrote: Mon Feb 23, 2026 9:58 am
The Dark Knight wrote: Mon Feb 23, 2026 9:44 am
Bento-uri wrote: Mon Feb 23, 2026 9:30 amIt's highly unlikely that Toei would make a series that renders Super non-canon.
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That is a H-U-G-E point of contention, my friend.
Daima was written as a direct sequel to the Buu arc and, as of now, doesn't line up with Super at all. Super is clearly not the holy grail of continuity that can't be ignored, as it clearly was just like GT before it. The only aspect of the franchise no one's willing to go against is the original manga.
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

Post by JulieYBM » Mon Feb 23, 2026 10:15 am

Daima doesn't render Super non-canon because Toriyama was never the sort to think about coloring within the lines, anyway. The guy probably didn't even realize thet he made some contradictions, because he intentionally didn't memorize his shit so that he could come up with new ideas on the fly.
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

Post by The Dark Knight » Mon Feb 23, 2026 10:18 am

JulieYBM wrote: Mon Feb 23, 2026 10:15 amDaima doesn't render Super non-canon because Toriyama was never the sort to thing about coloring within the lines, anyway.
With Daima he was doing a little more than not coloring within the lines, he was pretty much coloring in a different book.

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