The Ultimate Fate of DBS

[PhantomSaiyan]

Toei has been the money maker since 1986, even before the series was redistributed to the west—that's always been the case. Otherwise yes, Toei and Bandai make the majority income for products, games, cards etc. for the IP.

What are you even talking about? I said Super is a big money maker right now, which is a fact.

Also there has never been any type of settlement between Iyoku and Shueisha. Shueisha didn't get what they want, CC Tokyo is still the main shareholder of all new anime, movies, games, toys, while Shonen Jump (who Toyotaro still works for) separately own only the manga.

Oh yeah? Explain why they are continuing Super then. It's obvious they came to an agreement, otherwise the manga material would not be adapted dude.

Toriyama stood by Iyoku and choose him as his heir apparent to the IP after passing. Super is not being continued, CC Tokyo is just re-cashing in on everything from Beerus arc until at least Moro with what seems to be higher quality material and animation.

He didn't "choose" anything, he contributed to both sides when asked, simple as that.
And how is Moro being adapted not a continuation? Do you even read what you're writing?

None the less, what I'm saying isn't a 'conspiracy theory', Age 775-783 have always indeed been considered the 21st century wildcard timeline since the release of Yo, Son Goku and Friends Return in 2008

You're genuinely the only guy ever that calls it a "wildcard timeline" and you're acting like we all call it that

Doesn't mean fans like myself won't continue to follow the series and tune in for any new Dragon Ball content that comes out, but ultimately understand that lore wise there's no new stories around the corner for the Dragon Ball lore (aside from maybe small bits of Age 1000—still, much different).

Idk about that dude. Super added a shitton of stuff to the lore with the universes, and Daima was basically a lore dump most of the time. And you're telling me they don't add lore? Strange.

Also I believe Iyoku isn't going to try to over capitalize the series like Shueisha did, and instead just fine tune the wildcard material that's already been released 2 or 3 times. Especially now that we know everything being released is mostly a remaster of Beerus to ToP. Everything after that (aside from Broly and Cell Max) have yet to be seen animated; unfortunately though, even for the anticipated animated version of post-ToP arcs around the corner there won't be the same level of mystery appeal and suspense based on surprise like DBS Broly, DBS Super Hero or Daima were, since Galactic Patrol, Moro, Granolah and Black Freeza were released over 4-8 years ago anyways.

I guess we'll see. None of us know what they plan to do with this franchise, it could go tons of different ways, nothing is certain.

[SupremeKai25]

I’ve often been befuddled on why people are so adamant on Super going past EOD. And, after thinking about it, I think I get it?

I think there’s a desperate need by Super fans for legitimacy: If Super moves on past EoZ, then it can be treated as the true sequel to Z that they clearly want it to be. Because as it is now: how is it any different to Daima? Both stories take place in some ambiguous interval after Buu but before EoZ, both have world building that doesn’t do much for Z, and—and this is the most important part—both are made so that you don’t have to read/watch them if you’re going through Z.

They are disposable. It’s why I don’t think it’ll ever happen because Super ain’t built like that. Most of its story reveals can be easily discarded and thrown away. Beerus told Freeza to destroy Planet Vegeta? Cool beans. Except these clearly aren’t things in the original manga. Sure, you can decide that that’s “canon”, but it’s clearly done in a way that people can easily ignore it, like I do. Because it’s trash.

And I imagine that’s how Toei likes it. Segment its fan base so that they’ll have something to sell you whether you’re a Z fan or Super fan. It’s specifically designed so that no one feels alienated from watching a movie or checking out a show.

I don't think you got it either.

GT goes beyond End of Z and it's not like it's treated as this non disposable "legitimate" story by the fandom, not even close.

The main reason is just that we think it would be cool to see that time period, adult Goten and Trunks, Pan with tons of potential, Uub, there's just tons of potential and curiosity, that's all

You're right about the last part though, it's convenient for Toei to have various types of Dragon Ball fan they can sell their merch to

A question, for you and other people like you who want to see those adult characters:

Your thoughts on the ending of DBZ?

Your thoughts on Toriyama decididing to end -HIS STORY- with that open ending of Goku leaving with Uub to face new adventures, which are beyond the scope of -HIS- and -OUR- story?

Do you think DBZ ended too soon, and if so do you think it should've had a fourth major story arc set 7 years after Uub, like the Buu saga was set 7 years after Cell?

[ma0u]

Toei has been the money maker since 1986, even before the series was redistributed to the west—that's always been the case. Otherwise yes, Toei and Bandai make the majority income for products, games, cards etc. for the IP.

What are you even talking about? I said Super is a big money maker right now, which is a fact.

Also there has never been any type of settlement between Iyoku and Shueisha. Shueisha didn't get what they want, CC Tokyo is still the main shareholder of all new anime, movies, games, toys, while Shonen Jump (who Toyotaro still works for) separately own only the manga.

Oh yeah? Explain why they are continuing Super then. It's obvious they came to an agreement, otherwise the manga material would not be adapted dude.

Toriyama stood by Iyoku and choose him as his heir apparent to the IP after passing. Super is not being continued, CC Tokyo is just re-cashing in on everything from Beerus arc until at least Moro with what seems to be higher quality material and animation.

He didn't "choose" anything, he contributed to both sides when asked, simple as that.
And how is Moro being adapted not a continuation? Do you even read what you're writing?

None the less, what I'm saying isn't a 'conspiracy theory', Age 775-783 have always indeed been considered the 21st century wildcard timeline since the release of Yo, Son Goku and Friends Return in 2008

You're genuinely the only guy ever that calls it a "wildcard timeline" and you're acting like we all call it that

Doesn't mean fans like myself won't continue to follow the series and tune in for any new Dragon Ball content that comes out, but ultimately understand that lore wise there's no new stories around the corner for the Dragon Ball lore (aside from maybe small bits of Age 1000—still, much different).

Idk about that dude. Super added a shitton of stuff to the lore with the universes, and Daima was basically a lore dump most of the time. And you're telling me they don't add lore? Strange.

Also I believe Iyoku isn't going to try to over capitalize the series like Shueisha did, and instead just fine tune the wildcard material that's already been released 2 or 3 times. Especially now that we know everything being released is mostly a remaster of Beerus to ToP. Everything after that (aside from Broly and Cell Max) have yet to be seen animated; unfortunately though, even for the anticipated animated version of post-ToP arcs around the corner there won't be the same level of mystery appeal and suspense based on surprise like DBS Broly, DBS Super Hero or Daima were, since Galactic Patrol, Moro, Granolah and Black Freeza were released over 4-8 years ago anyways.

I guess we'll see. None of us know what they plan to do with this franchise, it could go tons of different ways, nothing is certain.

I'm not sure what 'new Super material' you think is coming out aside from whatever changes Iyoku chooses to implement into the re-release of the Super (e.g. like whether Daima story will be implemented); at any rate, it sounds like you responded to the first half of my message before reading the bottom.

Now Toriyama did in fact choose Akio Iyoku as his heir to the Dragon Ball IP, many of which Shueisha had previously bought back from Toriyama (for very cheap) in the early 90's; however, the amount of ownership to the shares that Shueisha actually owned is what was disputed; though as of 2026 it's become very clear that Iyoku secured the majority share over Shueisha.

Otherwise not sure what you're saying with 'It's obvious they came to an agreement, otherwise the manga material would not be adapted dude.' Iyoku owns a majority of the rights to the Dragon Ball IP; otherwise save for the production and release of any new manga, Shueisha still owns the manga share of the IP.

But aside from Toyotaro's once a month pics, I don't see CC Tokyo reaching their hands out to Shueisha out of interest in working with them on any manga releases in the near future, especially when considering the manga share is by far the least profitable portion of the IP.

Still, just because CC Tokyo and Shueisha aren't collaborating together, Toyotaro will continue releasing once a month pic releases of DB/Z/GT/Super characters.

As for any 'new material', it's a safe bet that aside from Age 1000, everything being released in the future will continue to be material within the Age 775-783 timeline.

p.s. 'wildcard timeline' is just easier than saying 'Post Buu and Pre EoZ timeline' or '21st century Dragon Ball timeline' when referring to Age 775-783. Otherwise as of 2026 there's at least 6 continuities during Age 775--783 (Original DB manga timeline, Original DB/Z anime timeline, BoG and Res F timeline, DBS anime timeline, DBS manga timeline, Daima anime timeline); the upcoming Super release will be the 7th continuity/timeline of this period.

[PhantomSaiyan]

A question, for you and other people like you who want to see those adult characters:

Your thoughts on the ending of DBZ?

Your thoughts on Toriyama decididing to end -HIS STORY- with that open ending of Goku leaving with Uub to face new adventures, which are beyond the scope of -HIS- and -OUR- story?

Do you think DBZ ended too soon, and if so do you think it should've had a fourth major story arc set 7 years after Uub, like the Buu saga was set 7 years after Cell?

I love the ending of Z, I think it perfectly fits what the story is about, Goku becoming a teacher and passing the torch, and the door stays open to the possibility of the cast having more adventures that we don't happen to witness, I have no complaints about it

And I don't think it ended too soon at all, considering how Toriyama was feeling at the time, I think it was the perfect spot to end it, any more than that at that particular time would have felt forced.

But also let me clarify, while I would love to see post End of Z content, it's because I don't think it would ruin what the ending of Z was about (especially now that Toriyama is gone) we already have GT that goes beyond it, and I don't think it's existence invalidates it.
In general I'm not the type of person that thinks the existence of a product I don't like in a franchise somehow ruins what comes before, I look at the original manga in isolation, I look at Super in isolation, same with Daima, GT and so on.

So the way I think about things is "cool, they are making a new product, I either don't like it and I can ignore it's existence, or I like it" so it's always a win for me. That's why I'd like to see them try to do post Z content, if they fail, nothing will be ruined as far as I'm concerned since I can just ignore it

I'm not sure what 'new Super material' you think is coming out aside from whatever changes Iyoku chooses to implement into the re-release of the Super (e.g. like whether Daima story will be implemented); at any rate, it sounds like you responded to the first half of my message before reading the bottom.

Are you being obtuse on purpose? Moro has never been animated, same with Granolah. And after they're done with those 2, you think they'll just stop? The black freeza plot thread is right there, you think they won't take advantage of it? It would be the stupidest marketing move ever.

Now Toriyama did in fact choose Akio Iyoku as his heir to the Dragon Ball IP, many of which Shueisha had previously bought back from Toriyama (for very cheap) in the early 90's; however, the amount of ownership to the shares that Shueisha actually owned is what was disputed; though as of 2026 it's become very clear that Iyoku secured the majority share over Shueisha.

Otherwise not sure what you're saying with 'It's obvious they came to an agreement, otherwise the manga material would not be adapted dude.' Iyoku owns a majority of the rights to the Dragon Ball IP; otherwise save for the production and release of any new manga, Shueisha still owns the manga share of the IP.

Absolutely incorrect.
I've already explained it to you. Iyoku has the rights for the ANIMATION, not the Shueisha content. So if they are animating MORO, which is SHUEISHA CONTENT, then they came to an AGREEMENT. This is NON DEBATABLE.
"chose Iyoku as his heir" is absolutely false. He helped both sides whenever he was asked on Super and Daima, again, this is also non debatable.

But aside from Toyotaro's once a month pics, I don't see CC Tokyo reaching their hands out to Shueisha out of interest in working with them on any manga releases in the near future, especially when considering the manga share is by far the least profitable portion of the IP.

Still, just because CC Tokyo and Shueisha aren't collaborating together, Toyotaro will continue releasing once a month pic releases of DB/Z/GT/Super characters.

What the hell are you saying dude? Do you not realize that they are animating Moro? I've explained it to you ten times already, if they are animating Moro, which is SHUEISHA CONTENT (which Iyoku didn't have access to, so he was forced to make Daima, unrelated to Super) then it OBJECTIVELY means they came to an agreement.

I don't see CC Tokyo reaching their hands out to Shueisha out of interest in working with them on any manga releases in the near future

How can you say this when they literally announced that they are doing exactly that by animating the Moro arc? wtf? Are you that confused?

especially when considering the manga share is by far the least profitable portion of the IP

Did you not see the amount of hyped fans for the Moro arc? Are you being obtuse on purpose? It's disingenuous to state the manga stuff won't be profitable when animated.
Once again, seems like your arguments are fueled more by your dislike of super rather than on actual logic.

As for any 'new material', it's a safe bet that aside from Age 1000, everything being released in the future will continue to be material within the Age 775-783 timeline.

Not a safe bet in the slightest. You're just speculating.

[Young-Jah]

I am watching the DBS anime (original Japanese version) on Crunchyroll (for one week subscription) and the DBS Manga to see what Toei will adapt in DBS Beerus.
One thing I hope Toei and Yamamuro Tadayoshi-san might add is SSJ4 Goku vs Beerus on Kaio-sama’s planet and SSJ3 Vegeta (enraged) vs Beerus after the “My Bulma” slap.

[ma0u]

It looks to me like you are clinging very hard to defending Shueisha (for whatever reason)...

Absolutely incorrect.
I've already explained it to you. Iyoku has the rights for the ANIMATION, not the Shueisha content. So if they are animating MORO, which is SHUEISHA CONTENT, then they came to an AGREEMENT. This is NON DEBATABLE.
"chose Iyoku as his heir" is absolutely false. He helped both sides whenever he was asked on Super and Daima, again, this is also non debatable.

Can you find me a source for this that validates anything you are saying here as 'non debatable' ? Because I can guarantee you won't. Iyoku and CC Tokyo own the share to the series, movies, toys and games. Plain and simple. Now unless you're familiar with shares in Japan, you don't understand that after Toriyama's death, anything 'Dragon Ball' that he worked on (with or without Shueisha) during his lifetime, still falls under his name—which is part of what was being dealt with in court. If you think that somehow Shueisha and CC Tokyo somehow shook hands and came to an agreement that actually satisfied the bends and will of Shueisha (which again, only owns the manga at this point, which is the least profitable share) simply because CC Tokyo is now showing to be able to use all Dragon Ball Super without restriction, then I don't know what to tell you.

What the hell are you saying dude? Do you not realize that they are animating Moro? I've explained it to you ten times already, if they are animating Moro, which is SHUEISHA CONTENT (which Iyoku didn't have access to, so he was forced to make Daima, unrelated to Super) then it OBJECTIVELY means they came to an agreement.

Yes, they are animating Moro, what about it? We already know how it ends with Freeza killing him. It's the Black Freeza material that will likely get the most hype, and the animated release of these by CC Tokyo will be awesome, but it's not like there's going to be any suspense or mystery behind how anything's going to go down. That's all I'm saying.

Did you not see the amount of hyped fans for the Moro arc? Are you being obtuse on purpose? It's disingenuous to state the manga stuff won't be profitable when animated.
Once again, seems like your arguments are fueled more by your dislike of super rather than on actual logic.

Did you not see that Toriyama's final series, Daima, was without any manga content at all, which basically shut down any false notion that Dragon Ball content can't be 'canon' unless it has a manga continuity marching alongside it? That was really the only purpose of the DBS manga (which the DBS anime was not based on but instead produced at an expediated rate alongside the manga from the Dragon Ball Room notes, unlike with DB/Z where the Dragon Ball manga was always the indefinite source of material, always remaining ahead by a few chapters). Otherwise no matter how much me, you or anyone loves the original or new manga material, the manga is still the least profitable portion of the IP compared to the series, movies, games and toys.

[JulieYBM]

We don't actually know if these new Dragon Ball Super animated series are going to be in line with the Dragon Ball Super comic that Toyotarou writes and draws. Everything that we know for sure is seemingly referenced in story drafts and character designs from Toriyama Akira, so that would imply that working with Shueisha isn't necessarily necessary. After all, Iyoku Akio went off and 1) convinced Toriyama to let him form Capsule Corp Tokyo without Shueisha's knowledge and 2) create the Sand Land animated film and animated series without Shueisha's involvement. Doing an adaption of The Galactic Patrol arc based on whatever Toriyama had in mind would hardly be difficult, given everything else Iyoku has done.

[ma0u]

After all, Iyoku Akio went off and 1) convinced Toriyama to let him form Capsule Corp Tokyo without Shueisha's knowledge and 2) create the Sand Land animated film and animated series without Shueisha's involvement. Doing an adaption of The Galactic Patrol arc based on whatever Toriyama had in mind would hardly be difficult, given everything else Iyoku has done.

Exactly. Toriyama and Akio set up CC Tokyo, just before Toriyama passed—it was a perfectly executed goodbye finger to Shueisha

[JulieYBM]

After all, Iyoku Akio went off and 1) convinced Toriyama to let him form Capsule Corp Tokyo without Shueisha's knowledge and 2) create the Sand Land animated film and animated series without Shueisha's involvement. Doing an adaption of The Galactic Patrol arc based on whatever Toriyama had in mind would hardly be difficult, given everything else Iyoku has done.

Exactly. Toriyama and Akio set up CC Tokyo, just before Toriyama passed—it was a perfectly executed goodbye finger to Shueisha

I mean, it doesn't really matter. Neither of them know what the hell they're doing to create good works of art. All Shueisha and Iyoku care about at the end of the day is making money and I don't get a benefit from that lulz

[ma0u]

I mean, it doesn't really matter. Neither of them know what the hell they're doing to create good works of art. All Shueisha and Iyoku care about at the end of the day is making money and I don't get a benefit from that lulz

Shueisha is a 100+ year old multi billion company and the largest publisher in Japan because of the Weekly Shonen Jump, CC Tokyo is Toriyama and Iyoku's own company. I don't know how they can even be compared tbqh

[JulieYBM]

I mean, it doesn't really matter. Neither of them know what the hell they're doing to create good works of art. All Shueisha and Iyoku care about at the end of the day is making money and I don't get a benefit from that lulz

Shueisha is a 100+ year old multi billion company and the largest publisher in Japan because of the Weekly Shonen Jump, CC Tokyo is Toriyama and Iyoku's own company. I don't know how they can even be compared tbqh

The point that I was making is that neither did a great job overseeing Dragon Ball projects.

[ma0u]

The point that I was making is that neither did a great job overseeing Dragon Ball projects.

Well 20th century Shueisha material was the bread and butter and did a fine job, otherwise 21st century Shueisha Dragon Ball material on the other hand... I mean comparatively, with Daima being the only CC Tokyo release (though it was a release before Toriyama's passing and the legal dispute anyway), I agree that neither end have given us anything great, and there's obviously isn't any new stories happening any time soon either.

Still, from the stills we've seen released of the upcoming DBS Beerus series, I feel CC Tokyo remaking a wide array of 21st century Shueisha releases with a better color pallet and better animation quality/overall aesthetics can only be met with positive response.

[JulieYBM]

The point that I was making is that neither did a great job overseeing Dragon Ball projects.

Well 20th century Shueisha material was the bread and butter and did a fine job, otherwise 21st century Shueisha Dragon Ball material on the other hand... I mean comparatively, with Daima being the only CC Tokyo release (though it was a release before Toriyama's passing and the legal dispute anyway), I agree that neither end have given us anything great, and there's obviously isn't any new stories happening any time soon either.

Still, from the stills we've seen released of the upcoming DBS Beerus series, I feel CC Tokyo remaking a wide array of 21st century Shueisha releases with a better color pallet and better animation quality/overall aesthetics can only be met with positive response.

None of them are good enough, nor have they ever been.

[ma0u]

None of them are good enough, nor have they ever been.

If by 'them' you mean all of Dragon Ball hasn't been good enough, then idk what idk what to tell you. It's not like any 21st century releases decades later were going to be any better than the original material.

However, in the case of these CC Tokyo re-releases, like DBS Beerus, will indefinitely be of much higher quality than the original BoG and Beerus arc episodes; though that's because it involves remaking previous 21st century releases.

[JulieYBM]

None of them are good enough, nor have they ever been.

If by 'them' you mean all of Dragon Ball hasn't been good enough, then idk what idk what to tell you. It's not like any 21st century releases decades later were going to be any better than the original material.

In the case of these CC Tokyo re-releases, like DBS Beerus, will indefinitely be of much higher quality than the original BoG and Beerus arc episodes.

Making a glorified compilation series instead of creating a new series from scratch—with a good character designer and chief animation supervisor—does not put Capsule Corp Tokyo into some realm of moral superiority over any other corporation involved in the creation of new Dragon Ball projects.

We need not capitulate. We do not "gotta hand it to them." These corporations are not our friends. It's okay to just not sing their praises. They are soulless, evil monstrosities that exist to extract profit from real human beings and the artists that they steal money from.

[ma0u]

Making a glorified compilation series instead of creating a new series from scratch—with a good character designer and chief animation supervisor—does not put Capsule Corp Tokyo into some realm of moral superiority over any other corporation involved in the creation of new Dragon Ball projects.

Toriyama ended the Dragon Ball series 30 years ago, and aside from ideas like Dragon Ball Online and Age 1000, Toriyama never wanted Dragon Ball to become some timeless series (also it was to my knowledge he didn't want to do any reboot of the original series unless it could stay true the original manga dialog and content, which Path to Power didn't).

Now Toriyama and Iyoku are just preserving the series from becoming any more of a soulless franchise. I mean, I do believe Toriyama (the creator of Dragon Ball) wanting the IP of his series to live on under a friendly independent company named after Bulma's own company from the series is as free from corporate suppression as it gets buddy.

Otherwise, yes, wherever the Dragon Ball IP goes, is where the corporations go. Simple as that. But trying to paint Toriyama, Iyoku and their company CC Tokyo as the villains is f'n bonkers dude.

[The Dark Knight]

The series ended 30 years ago. To me, 1997 was where the series ended at Age 889 and that was it, it was over. Even when considering the manga ending at Age 784, the ending with Goku Jr and Vegeta Jr made the series over, over. Not sure what's left to be told, since the point of the story was to watch everyone grow up from start to finish.

I don't even think GT was necessary, much less everything we've gotten (and will continue to get) since then. Like you said, what's left to tell ? Every character arc and plot point was wrapped up with the Buu arc; the story was complete. Once Toriyama put down his pen in 1995, and once Toei was done producing the remaining Buu arc episodes and movies, Dragon Ball as an on-going franchise should have ended. Do I think Dragon Ball should be dead and buried ? not at all, as I have no issue with the occasional new story every decade or so to celebrate this franchise, like the 2008 Tarble special, the 2013 Battle of Gods movie, and the 2024 Daima series.

What about those years in-between, what are Dragon Ball fans supposed to consume during those major gaps ? Other series; learn to like other series. I don't know if this applies to other fan bases, but Dragon Ball fans seem to have a lot of trouble moving on to other series, preferring to instead limit themselves to just Dragon Ball. DB & Z are amazing series that I will always love, but there are series that are equally as good that are just waiting to be discovered, but they require our fan base to step out of its comfort zone.

Turning the clock back indefinitely on the series left viewers in this disassociated state where the 'now' or present period is before the end of Z for the last 13 years as if episode 288-291 don't exist and Z didn't end 30 years ago. There's so many more appropriate ways that they could have continued Dragon Ball, even with the wild card timeline.

A series set 200 years in the future (like Online) would've been a far more interesting direction to take the series in than the nostalgia loop of hell we've been stuck in this past decade.

[JulieYBM]

buddy.

dude.

Go fuck yourself

[PhantomSaiyan]

Can you find me a source for this that validates anything you are saying here as 'non debatable' ? Because I can guarantee you won't. Iyoku and CC Tokyo own the share to the series, movies, toys and games. Plain and simple. Now unless you're familiar with shares in Japan, you don't understand that after Toriyama's death, anything 'Dragon Ball' that he worked on (with or without Shueisha) during his lifetime, still falls under his name—which is part of what was being dealt with in court. If you think that somehow Shueisha and CC Tokyo somehow shook hands and came to an agreement that actually satisfied the bends and will of Shueisha (which again, only owns the manga at this point, which is the least profitable share) simply because CC Tokyo is now showing to be able to use all Dragon Ball Super without restriction, then I don't know what to tell you.

Guy.. Do you need a source to know that 2 + 2 equals 4 too?
If they are adapting Moro, who is Shueisha character, then they got permission from Shueisha, objectively speaking. Are you being obtuse on purpose just to ragebait?
It doesn't matter if they don't adapt the manga 1:1, if they use Moro, and all of the manga original characters, then it counts as using Shueisha material, and that needs their fucking permission to happen. Wake up dude.

Yes, they are animating Moro, what about it? We already know how it ends with Freeza killing him. It's the Black Freeza material that will likely get the most hype, and the animated release of these by CC Tokyo will be awesome, but it's not like there's going to be any suspense or mystery behind how anything's going to go down. That's all I'm saying.

No suspense for manga readers maybe. The overwhealming majority of anime fans only knows of Moro but hasn't actually read it. It will absolutely be hugely popular.

Did you not see that Toriyama's final series, Daima, was without any manga content at all, which basically shut down any false notion that Dragon Ball content can't be 'canon' unless it has a manga continuity marching alongside it? That was really the only purpose of the DBS manga (which the DBS anime was not based on but instead produced at an expediated rate alongside the manga from the Dragon Ball Room notes, unlike with DB/Z where the Dragon Ball manga was always the indefinite source of material, always remaining ahead by a few chapters). Otherwise no matter how much me, you or anyone loves the original or new manga material, the manga is still the least profitable portion of the IP compared to the series, movies, games and toys.

And how is this relevant to anything I've said? Are you just saying random things now?

[ma0u]

A series set 200 years in the future (like Online) would've been a far more interesting direction to take the series in than the nostalgia loop of hell we've been stuck in this past decade.

Indeed, 21st century Dragon Ball has just been the same inconsequential pre-EoZ content within the wildcard timeline. Toriyama ended Dragon Ball (or at least the story of Son Goku) over 3 decades ago; though that doesn't mean the universe can't be explored.

No suspense for manga readers maybe. The overwhealming majority of anime fans only knows of Moro but hasn't actually read it. It will absolutely be hugely popular.

It will be popular, but it won't be like DBS Broly or anything I don't think. With DBS Broly we didn't know what was going to be released, who Broly was going to be, why Freeza was involved, etc. Otherwise with Moro, the internet and social media will make sure to spoil everything before it's even released with fans mostly just comparing the art styles.

I feel at this point that's all we're going to see is comparisons of scenes and how good the new animation/art quality is.