Beerus featured in US White House promo video

[The Dark Knight]

Democrats are not “diet MAGA”

The vast majority of their policies are just lesser versions of what the Republicans are doing. They may talk differently than Republicans, but when it comes down to the actual policies that impact people's lives, they're not too far behind. Newsom in California just killed a bill that would've made healthcare more accessible to more people; that's textbook definition republican policy. Please keep in mind I'm not talking about progressive Democrats.

they’re not trying to help Republicans win.

Yet somehow we got Trump not once, but twice, and we almost got him in 2020. You can describe it however you want, but fact of the matter is, the way the democratic party is being run and the people who represent it are playing a major role in republicans maintaining power.

[WittyUsername]

Democrats are not “diet MAGA”

The vast majority of their policies are just lesser versions of what the Republicans are doing. They may talk differently than Republicans, but when it comes down to the actual policies that impact people's lives, they're not too far behind. Newsom in California just killed a bill that would've made healthcare more accessible to more people; that's textbook definition republican policy. Please keep in mind I'm not talking about progressive Democrats.

they’re not trying to help Republicans win.

Yet somehow we got Trump not once, but twice, and we almost got him in 2020. You can describe it however you want, but fact of the matter is, the way the democratic party is being run and the people who represent it are playing a major role in republicans maintaining power.

I have no love for Gavin Newsom, but even he’s not a fraction as bad as MAGA. California is still considered a progressive state that has a far better track record when it comes to things like trans rights than most other states.

As for the losses against Trump, I think it would be ridiculous to act as if misogyny and racism didn’t factor into it. Out of three elections, the only one Trump lost was the one where his opponent was a white man. The sad truth is that many Americans have a problem allowing a woman to lead them. Lots of Gen Z men in particular have been indoctrinated by rapists like Andrew Tate.

It also doesn’t help that Trump had billionaire propaganda on his side during the 2024 election. The richest man in the world bought Twitter specifically for that purpose. Plus, incumbents in general were struggling in the post-Covid landscape.

Anyway, this conversation obviously has nothing to do with Dragon Ball at this point. I guess to try and cycle it back to Dragon Ball, I wish Toei or whoever would do something about that video with Beerus. They have no problem going after random YouTube accounts for copyright infringement. after

[FlpShimizu]

I had no doubt it would be cringe as fuck and it didn't disappoint.

I also had no doubt the discussion would shift to politics since what's happening nowadays is a terrifying shitshow that we can't just ignore.

I wonder if it'd be a terrible ideia to have a section of the forum to talk about things that aren't Dragon Ball related, but I'm sure this has already been considered and they have good reason not to do it.

[JulieYBM]

Democrats are not “diet MAGA”

The vast majority of their policies are just lesser versions of what the Republicans are doing. They may talk differently than Republicans, but when it comes down to the actual policies that impact people's lives, they're not too far behind. Newsom in California just killed a bill that would've made healthcare more accessible to more people; that's textbook definition republican policy. Please keep in mind I'm not talking about progressive Democrats.

they’re not trying to help Republicans win.

Yet somehow we got Trump not once, but twice, and we almost got him in 2020. You can describe it however you want, but fact of the matter is, the way the democratic party is being run and the people who represent it are playing a major role in republicans maintaining power.

I have no love for Gavin Newsom, but even he’s not a fraction as bad as MAGA. California is still considered a progressive state that has a far better track record when it comes to things like trans rights than most other states.

He's currently throwing trans people under the bus, actually, so he can go fuck himself.

Humorously enough, Emma Vigeland was on the most recent episode of A Bit Fruity and tore Newsom to shreds for his decades-spanning bullshit, for anyone interested in hearing that.

[Yellow Flower King]

I had no doubt it would be cringe as fuck and it didn't disappoint.

I also had no doubt the discussion would shift to politics since what's happening nowadays is a terrifying shitshow that we can't just ignore.

I wonder if it'd be a terrible ideia to have a section of the forum to talk about things that aren't Dragon Ball related, but I'm sure this has already been considered and they have good reason not to do it.

Politics ARE THE TOPIC. I am not saying this to call you out or say you said a bad thing but at this point the politics IS THE TOPIC. It is precisely Trump dragging politics into Dragon Ball so yes we have to discuss it if "Beerus featured in US White House promo video" is the title of the topic. At some point the whole "Keep politics out of Dragon Ball" just is impossible.

[The Dark Knight]

As for the losses against Trump, I think it would be ridiculous to act as if misogyny and racism didn’t factor into it. Out of three elections, the only one Trump lost was the one where his opponent was a white man.

I have absolutely no doubt that misogyny and racism factored in Clinton and Harris losing, but it's not like Biden was doing great either, as he was bleeding support the closer we got to the election. Had the 2020 election been held a week later than it was, he very well may have lost based on how his popularity was nose diving. If a previous vice president on the democrat's side could barely win, with over a million deaths from Covid being in his favor, I honestly don't see much good for the party moving forward unless something drastic is done to change things.

[Koitsukai]

Democrats are not “diet MAGA”

The vast majority of their policies are just lesser versions of what the Republicans are doing. They may talk differently than Republicans, but when it comes down to the actual policies that impact people's lives, they're not too far behind. Newsom in California just killed a bill that would've made healthcare more accessible to more people; that's textbook definition republican policy. Please keep in mind I'm not talking about progressive Democrats.

they’re not trying to help Republicans win.

Yet somehow we got Trump not once, but twice, and we almost got him in 2020. You can describe it however you want, but fact of the matter is, the way the democratic party is being run and the people who represent it are playing a major role in republicans maintaining power.

A good indicator of what you are saying is how the rest of the world sees them: on foreign policy, Democrats and Republicans are basically the same. In fact, the most left-leaning U.S. politician would still be considered right-wing in many countries.

[Mr Baggins]

The best part wasn't even these dipshits using Dragon Ball, but rather Grand Theft Auto (a series that satirizes American government and culture) for their pro-war propaganda. I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried.

Absolute dumbest timeline.

[WittyUsername]

The vast majority of their policies are just lesser versions of what the Republicans are doing. They may talk differently than Republicans, but when it comes down to the actual policies that impact people's lives, they're not too far behind. Newsom in California just killed a bill that would've made healthcare more accessible to more people; that's textbook definition republican policy. Please keep in mind I'm not talking about progressive Democrats.



Yet somehow we got Trump not once, but twice, and we almost got him in 2020. You can describe it however you want, but fact of the matter is, the way the democratic party is being run and the people who represent it are playing a major role in republicans maintaining power.

I have no love for Gavin Newsom, but even he’s not a fraction as bad as MAGA. California is still considered a progressive state that has a far better track record when it comes to things like trans rights than most other states.

He's currently throwing trans people under the bus, actually, so he can go fuck himself.

Humorously enough, Emma Vigeland was on the most recent episode of A Bit Fruity and tore Newsom to shreds for his decades-spanning bullshit, for anyone interested in hearing that.

As I said, I have no love for Newsom. I’m just saying that even with his shittiness, he doesn’t compare to how shitty the average MAGA politician is. At the very least, California is still one of the more trans-friendly states in America. Anyway, contrary to what some people seem to think, I have my doubts that he’ll be the Democratic candidate in 2028.

[WittyUsername]

Democrats are not “diet MAGA”

The vast majority of their policies are just lesser versions of what the Republicans are doing. They may talk differently than Republicans, but when it comes down to the actual policies that impact people's lives, they're not too far behind. Newsom in California just killed a bill that would've made healthcare more accessible to more people; that's textbook definition republican policy. Please keep in mind I'm not talking about progressive Democrats.

they’re not trying to help Republicans win.

Yet somehow we got Trump not once, but twice, and we almost got him in 2020. You can describe it however you want, but fact of the matter is, the way the democratic party is being run and the people who represent it are playing a major role in republicans maintaining power.

A good indicator of what you are saying is how the rest of the world sees them: on foreign policy, Democrats and Republicans are basically the same. In fact, the most left-leaning U.S. politician would still be considered right-wing in many countries.

I’m sorry, but based on what I know about the politics of the average European country, that’s simply not true. Europeans tend to be extremely racist and xenophobic and even the “progressive” wing of the U.K. has some very backwards views when it comes to trans people. Terfism seems to be pretty mainstream among the British left.

[Hellspawn28]

Democrats are not “diet MAGA” and they’re not trying to help Republicans win. That makes no sense.

These are the same people who side with Republicans and have donated to them. Saban and Lieberman have donated money to right-wingers before. Democrats stand by and let stuff like the Patriot Act, both invasions in Afghanistan and Iraq. As well letting the no child left behind be passed. We can never elect a far left person in power because they are too scared of it.

Democrats also support Israel and their war crimes. Telling people that you are antisemitic if you say anything bad about Israel or zionism in general.

[FlpShimizu]

I had no doubt it would be cringe as fuck and it didn't disappoint.

I also had no doubt the discussion would shift to politics since what's happening nowadays is a terrifying shitshow that we can't just ignore.

I wonder if it'd be a terrible ideia to have a section of the forum to talk about things that aren't Dragon Ball related, but I'm sure this has already been considered and they have good reason not to do it.

Politics ARE THE TOPIC. I am not saying this to call you out or say you said a bad thing but at this point the politics IS THE TOPIC. It is precisely Trump dragging politics into Dragon Ball so yes we have to discuss it if "Beerus featured in US White House promo video" is the title of the topic. At some point the whole "Keep politics out of Dragon Ball" just is impossible.

Oh I absolutely agree with you, that's why I think we should have a place to talk about it without worrying about going off topic.

[Yellow Flower King]

I had no doubt it would be cringe as fuck and it didn't disappoint.

I also had no doubt the discussion would shift to politics since what's happening nowadays is a terrifying shitshow that we can't just ignore.

I wonder if it'd be a terrible ideia to have a section of the forum to talk about things that aren't Dragon Ball related, but I'm sure this has already been considered and they have good reason not to do it.

Politics ARE THE TOPIC. I am not saying this to call you out or say you said a bad thing but at this point the politics IS THE TOPIC. It is precisely Trump dragging politics into Dragon Ball so yes we have to discuss it if "Beerus featured in US White House promo video" is the title of the topic. At some point the whole "Keep politics out of Dragon Ball" just is impossible.

Oh I absolutely agree with you, that's why I think we should have a place to talk about it without worrying about going off topic.

On second thought, the thread is sorta deviating from the premise of the thread and Dragon Ball and is just "The Kanzenshuu Politics Thread." The thread absolutely SHOULD NOT be afraid to "Get political" though. Just not getting too far from the topic.

[WittyUsername]

Have any of the license holders for Dragon Ball said anything yet or are they afraid of being seen as political or something?

[Hellspawn28]

They are probably protected by fair use.

[The Dark Knight]

Have any of the license holders for Dragon Ball said anything yet or are they afraid of being seen as political or something?

Considering it was only a second long and the video wasn't titled under Dragon Ball, I'm willing to bet they don't even know about it.

[VegettoEX]

They are probably protected by fair use.

Absolutely fucking not no way absolutely zero chance.

Purpose and character of the use, including whether the use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes: Courts look at how the party claiming fair use is using the copyrighted work, and are more likely to find that nonprofit educational and noncommercial uses are fair. This does not mean, however, that all nonprofit education and noncommercial uses are fair and all commercial uses are not fair; instead, courts will balance the purpose and character of the use against the other factors below. Additionally, “transformative” uses are more likely to be considered fair. Transformative uses are those that add something new, with a further purpose or different character, and do not substitute for the original use of the work.

Nature of the copyrighted work: This factor analyzes the degree to which the work that was used relates to copyright’s purpose of encouraging creative expression. Thus, using a more creative or imaginative work (such as a novel, movie, or song) is less likely to support a claim of a fair use than using a factual work (such as a technical article or news item). In addition, use of an unpublished work is less likely to be considered fair.

Amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole: Under this factor, courts look at both the quantity and quality of the copyrighted material that was used. If the use includes a large portion of the copyrighted work, fair use is less likely to be found; if the use employs only a small amount of copyrighted material, fair use is more likely. That said, some courts have found use of an entire work to be fair under certain circumstances. And in other contexts, using even a small amount of a copyrighted work was determined not to be fair because the selection was an important part—or the “heart”—of the work.

Effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work: Here, courts review whether, and to what extent, the unlicensed use harms the existing or future market for the copyright owner’s original work. In assessing this factor, courts consider whether the use is hurting the current market for the original work (for example, by displacing sales of the original) and/or whether the use could cause substantial harm if it were to become widespread.

Easily fail #1 and #4, probably #2, could squeeze by on #3 for this one.

Will someone go after them about it...? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[WittyUsername]

Even if it did fall under fair use, doesn’t Japan famously not have any actual fair use laws? From my experience, Japanese companies tend to be very protective of their IPs, so if they believe someone is infringing or otherwise besmirching their brands, they often don’t hesitate to let people know.

[LostTimeLord]

I wish Toei or whoever would do something about that video with Beerus. They have no problem going after random YouTube accounts for copyright infringement.

They'd have little to gain and a lot to loose. We're talking about an extremely petty government that's functionally above the law and could use any old legal nonsense to 'justify' screwing them in retaliation, not to mention the financial risk (as Toei would see it) of such an action dragging Dragon Ball into a culture war. And all to take down a clip that very few non-fans could even identify as being from Dragon Ball. Even if Toei took them to court and won, would that actually force the White House to take the video down?

[M16U3L2015]

This kind of shit reminds me of when 4Kids made a video where characters from anime series like Sonic X, One Piece, Shaman King, and Tokyo Mew Mew were singing the US national anthem as propaganda.

Obviously, this is worse, as there is a difference between a private company doing this and the US government openly spreading propaganda and stealing copyrighted material without permission