Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Miracles]

Anyone wants to know how Granolah got the drop on UI Goku when he used his real body?

[SupremeKai25]

3. Zamasu (immortal, you need a way to kill him which most don't have)

Who can kill him, besides Zeno?

Beerus himself stated that Hakai cannot kill an immortal, btw.

Even Whis can't actually kill him and needs a sealing technique better than the Mafuba.

[Yuji]

3. Zamasu (immortal, you need a way to kill him which most don't have)

Who can kill him, besides Zeno?

Beerus himself stated that Hakai cannot kill an immortal, btw.

Even Whis can't actually kill him and needs a sealing technique better than the Mafuba.

Boo can absorb him. Moro can eat him or probably seal him. Cell can absorb/eat him.

[SupremeKai25]

3. Zamasu (immortal, you need a way to kill him which most don't have)

Who can kill him, besides Zeno?

Beerus himself stated that Hakai cannot kill an immortal, btw.

Even Whis can't actually kill him and needs a sealing technique better than the Mafuba.

Boo can absorb him. Moro can eat him or probably seal him. Cell can absorb/eat him.

That's not killing, that's sealing inside of their bodies.

[PhantomSaiyan]

Who can kill him, besides Zeno?

Beerus himself stated that Hakai cannot kill an immortal, btw.

Even Whis can't actually kill him and needs a sealing technique better than the Mafuba.

I wonder if a wish from the Super Dragon Balls could do it, what do you think?

[Yuji]

Who can kill him, besides Zeno?

Beerus himself stated that Hakai cannot kill an immortal, btw.

Even Whis can't actually kill him and needs a sealing technique better than the Mafuba.

Boo can absorb him. Moro can eat him or probably seal him. Cell can absorb/eat him.

That's not killing, that's sealing inside of their bodies.

But it's defeating him all the same, does it matter if he can be killed?

[SupremeKai25]

I wonder if a wish from the Super Dragon Balls could do it, what do you think?

There's no way to answer this. Regardless, that's not really a technique or an ability someone can use in battle.

But it's defeating him all the same, does it matter if he can be killed?

Yeah, it doesn't matter to my question, because I asked about kill techniques, and not seals. Also, this in a scenario with "neutral stats", right? Because Cell's definitely fodder to DBS characters.

[Miracles]

As far as Zamas immortality is concerned...

Manga:

Vegetto stated he would have killed Zamas. With so much power it wouldn't give him time to regenerate. Wiping every trace of him away.

Goku's low rent Hakai was disintegrating Zamas rapidly and Zamas grabbed Mai to save himself. Forcing Goku to stop.

Full power Blue Goku didn't give Zamas time to recover by healing his wounds in there battle. knocking him to the ground before regenerating.

Even Vegeta stated Zamas in his forgetful rage was burdening his body by releasing more power before regenerating from his damage that he took against Goku.

Anime:

Episode 63: Trunks said: "Immortal or not, there must be a limit to his regeneration." Saying he would blow him to pieces afterwards. Goku Black saves [or interferes] Zamasu from Trunks self detonation attack.

However, in episode 64 The narrator said Zamas can not be defeated with physical assault.

Conclusion; Moreso in the manga, Zamas was indeed immortal but how he maintained his immortality was in question. In the anime it was determined he is definitely immortal. Even laughing off Vegetto's Final Kamehameha.

[SupremeKai25]

Manga:

Vegetto stated he would have killed Zamas. With so much power it wouldn't give him time to regenerate. Wiping every trace of him away.

Goku's low rent Hakai was disintegrating Zamas rapidly and Zamas grabbed Mai to save himself. Forcing Goku to stop.

Full power Blue Goku didn't give Zamas time to recover by healing his wounds in there battle. knocking him to the ground before regenerating.

Even Vegeta stated Zamas in his forgetful rage was burdening his body by releasing more power before regenerating from his damage that he took against Goku.

Beerus literally said he can't kill someone immortal, so I trust the god of destruction who's been doing that job for tens of millions of years over a bunch of 40 years old Saiyans talking out their ass.

As for the anime, Whis also said in episode 67, at the post-victory celebration, that they would deal with the Immortal Zamasu with a sealing technique the Angels know that is superior to the Mafuba.

We do not know anything about this sealing technique aside from the fact that it's superior to the Mafuba and it's known by the Angels. More importantly, we know that even Whis can't kill the Immortal Zamasu and he instead needs to seal him away.

[Miracles]

Manga:

Vegetto stated he would have killed Zamas. With so much power it wouldn't give him time to regenerate. Wiping every trace of him away.

Goku's low rent Hakai was disintegrating Zamas rapidly and Zamas grabbed Mai to save himself. Forcing Goku to stop.

Full power Blue Goku didn't give Zamas time to recover by healing his wounds in there battle. knocking him to the ground before regenerating.

Even Vegeta stated Zamas in his forgetful rage was burdening his body by releasing more power before regenerating from his damage that he took against Goku.

Beerus literally said he can't kill someone immortal, so I trust the god of destruction who's been doing that job for tens of millions of years over a bunch of 40 years old Saiyans talking out their ass.

As for the anime, Whis also said in episode 67, at the post-victory celebration, that they would deal with the Immortal Zamasu with a sealing technique the Angels know that is superior to the Mafuba.

We do not know anything about this sealing technique aside from the fact that it's superior to the Mafuba and it's known by the Angels. More importantly, we know that even Whis can't kill the Immortal Zamasu and he instead needs to seal him away.

Agreed. However, just throwing out facts from the manga as it seems to be more questionable than the anime about Zamas's immortality.

BTW, Beerus states his Hakai completely wipes things out of existence. Yet still says he can't kill an immortal. What's the point of being immortal if you can be killed.

[SupremeKai25]

Agreed. However, just throwing out facts from the manga as it seems to be more questionable than the anime about Zamas's immortality.

BTW, Beerus states his Hakai completely wipes things out of existence. Yet still says he can't kill an immortal. What's the point of being immortal if you can be killed.

Goku's Hakai didn't seem that effective, honestly. It was super slow + Zamasu had enough time to think and plan a strategy, open a portal, identify a sacrifice, grab Mai through the portal, and put Mai in front of him, all the while losing only one arm and half his face. In fact, Goku looked rather sloppy.

[Miracles]

Agreed. However, just throwing out facts from the manga as it seems to be more questionable than the anime about Zamas's immortality.

BTW, Beerus states his Hakai completely wipes things out of existence. Yet still says he can't kill an immortal. What's the point of being immortal if you can be killed.

Goku's Hakai didn't seem that effective, honestly. It was super slow + Zamasu had enough time to think and plan a strategy, open a portal, identify a sacrifice, grab Mai through the portal, and put Mai in front of him, all the while losing only one arm and half his face. In fact, Goku looked rather sloppy.

Yeah, Goku admitted it would be a sloppy attempt at using Beerus's technique. However it still had Zamas panicking for a meat shield. As if the guy was going to be erased from existence.

[Koitsukai]

Who is the strongest Z character DBS Piccolo (pre SH) can defeat? Manga and anime.

[Yuji]

Who is the strongest Z character DBS Piccolo (pre SH) can defeat? Manga and anime.

All of them for the DBS anime if you go by the base Goku scaling. If not, then I'd say he can probably handle SPC, but definitely caps off at SS3 tiers.

For the manga, he doesn't seem to get that strong since the Boo arc. He's still below SS Gohan in RoF, still below SS Goku and Frost in U6, his best feat is taking care of the Trio de Dangers, who are featless in the manga. If you want to employ some cross-medium scaling for the Trio, you can probably scale Piccolo up to SS level by the ToP, but in Superhero he does considerably worse against Gamma 2 than SS Gohan did vs Gamma 1. I'd be surprised if he can defeat regular perfect Cell in base form currently still.

He seems to be an ambiguous but considerable amount below whatever the equivalent Saiyan tier is.

SS > Base Piccolo
SSB > Ultimate Piccolo
Ultra forms > Orange Piccolo

Remember that the implication being beaten over our heads time and time again is that Goku and Vegeta have reached their physical peaks so they too are probably not significantly stronger from the Boo arc in their base and original Super Saiyan forms. Any character that scales to mortal forms Goku and Vegeta (in the manga) scales exactly the same to the Boo arc equivalents.

[PhantomSaiyan]

Who is the strongest Z character DBS Piccolo (pre SH) can defeat? Manga and anime.

Semi Perfect Cell, I think he can defeat him comfortably by the end of Z, since from what we know, he kept training as usual.

He probably can't beat Perfect Cell, because he was still used as a measuring stick in early Buu saga, with Dabura being compared to him and all, so safe to assume Piccolo was still a bit behind that tier of power

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Who is the strongest Z character DBS Piccolo (pre SH) can defeat? Manga and anime.

Before the ToP he definitely capped out beneath Ultimate Gohan, but after training 2 months and being stated by Goku to be "unrecognizable" he could beat everyone in Z. Not that he has any real feats though, so even at highball I'll say he still loses to Boohan.