The first one is, were Goku and Gohan at the same level of power in Movie 8 as they were in the Cell Game, when fighting Cell himself?Nope, they were clearly not as powerful as their Cell Games selves. Several ways to tell...G-Villain wrote:The first one is, were Goku and Gohan at the same level of power in Movie 8 as they were in the Cell Game, when fighting Cell himself?
It's probably safe to assume that no, he wasn't. Not only based on the visual details, but also how well he did against Broly. NO Super Saiyan 2 is weaker than Broly. If Gohan were at that stage he would easily have ground Broly's face into the dirt. As for WHY he didn't, since we know he's capable of it at that point... well, Gohan's kinda dumb.The second one is, was Gohan a Super Saiyan 2 in Movie 10?
There's really not enough information to say for sure, but heres what I think:G-Villain wrote:And of that, I'm referring to the two most infamous questions concerning the power of Broly.
The second one is, was Gohan a Super Saiyan 2 in Movie 10? I know he didn't have any sparks around him, but mistakes such as that have been made in DBZ, pretty blatantly too. So..who wants to answer these unanswerable questions? And if you could, please explain your reply.
Haha. If I could remember which thread that was I'd just go quote myself, save me the time. XDPain wrote:I'll wait for Xyex to find this thread and then he'll tell you the truth about this. He did it on the last thread that was about this.
No. Goku and Gohan are 'mid training' in movie 8. Likely not much stronger than Trunks and Vegeta were against Semi-Perfect Cell as SSJUs. This is evidenced by them not doing much better than everyone else, by the lack of perma-SSJ, the fact Gohan's not stronger than Goku, and lack of Goku trying to push Gohan to SSJ2 to beat Brolly.And of that, I'm referring to the two most infamous questions concerning the power of Broly. The first one is, were Goku and Gohan at the same level of power in Movie 8 as they were in the Cell Game, when fighting Cell himself?
Nah. Gohan lost a lot of power between the Cell Games and movie 10. He's likely down around movie 8 SSJ Goku's level of power. Maybe a bit stronger, but not by much. And for some stupid reason he never uses SSJ2. (Perhaps it hadn't been seen yet with 'adult Gohan' when the movie was made so the animators had no idea what it should look like. Or Gohan was just scared of loosing himself as he did against Cell.) If he had used SSJ2 Brolly wouldn't have stood a chance.The second one is, was Gohan a Super Saiyan 2 in Movie 10? I know he didn't have any sparks around him, but mistakes such as that have been made in DBZ, pretty blatantly too.
Scenario A: Bulma had stuffed Vegeta into a frilly pink maid dress and was making him clean all of Capsule corp. as punishment for breaking the gravity rooms (again) while Piccolo was so busy watching this from the Lookout and laughing his ass off he never noticed Brolly.Rocketman wrote:Maybe we should also ask where the hell Vegeta and Piccolo were.
That one was always my favorite, too.Jerseymilk wrote:I vote for Scenario D as being the most likely.
Journey to the West, chapter 26 wrote:The strong man will meet someone stronger still:
Come to naught at last he surely will!
Zephyr wrote:And that's to say nothing of how pretty much impossible it is to capture what made the original run of the series so great. I'm in the generation of fans that started with Toonami, so I totally empathize with the feeling of having "missed the party", experiencing disappointment, and wanting to experience it myself. But I can't, that's how life is. Time is a bitch. The party is over. Kageyama, Kikuchi, and Maeda are off the sauce now; Yanami almost OD'd; Yamamoto got arrested; Toriyama's not going to light trash cans on fire and hang from the chandelier anymore. We can't get the band back together, and even if we could, everyone's either old, in poor health, or calmed way the fuck down. Best we're going to get, and are getting, is a party that's almost entirely devoid of the magic that made the original one so awesome that we even want more.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:It grinds my gears that people get "outraged" over any of this stuff. It's a fucking cartoon. If you are that determined to be angry about something, get off the internet and make a stand for something that actually matters.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
No, I've just thought of the situation many times before he did.Kunzait_83 wrote:"Was always"? So like, Xyex has busted out that same list of scenarios in the past?
Vegeta: *Little flashy line thing they get when they notice something* "That... that's Brolly! I'm going to kick his ass that time, to prove I'm better than Kak.... oh..... oh no......"djkalteraphine wrote:What're you gonna do? When you gotta go, you gotta go.Xyex wrote:Scenario E: Vegeta was stuck on the can and Piccolo was sick with the chicken pox.
This is the dialouge I assume goes through every characters head when I watch the dub.Xyex wrote:Vegeta: *Little flashy line thing they get when they notice something* "That... that's Brolly! I'm going to kick his ass that time, to prove I'm better than Kak.... oh..... oh no......"djkalteraphine wrote:What're you gonna do? When you gotta go, you gotta go.Xyex wrote:Scenario E: Vegeta was stuck on the can and Piccolo was sick with the chicken pox.
Vegeta's stomach: *rumbles loudly.*
Vegeta: *Gets up and runs to the bathroom* "Oh god, why, why, why did I let Bulma cook!" *Grunts and groans* "Damnit, I'll be in here for most of the day!"
*Hour later*
Vegeta: "Phew, I think I'm.... oh, shit, it's starting again.... I am Never eating Bulma's 'Turkey surprise' again."
One thing that I have always thought, is that DBZ movie 10 might take place in one of the timelines that Future Trunks created when he was doing his back and forth traveling to "save the world". The things that make me think this is that Goku is dead (heart virus?) and Gohan seems to be limited to SSj. I know that this is almost positively not what the writers of the movie where thinking, but is there any evidence that says that this couldn't take place in one of those time-lines?G-Villain wrote:The second one is, was Gohan a Super Saiyan 2 in Movie 10? I know he didn't have any sparks around him, but mistakes such as that have been made in DBZ, pretty blatantly too. So..who wants to answer these unanswerable questions? And if you could, please explain your reply.
Well Goten shouldn't exist if Goku died from the heart virus...but wasn't Trunks's time interference supposed to have made tons of alternate futures that weren't even shown? it could be one of those i mean anything can happen in an alternative future that is a good way to explain the movie inconsistencies. Btw, is there a forum topic on all the different timelines besides the 3 from the show?SSj_Rambo wrote:One thing that I have always thought, is that DBZ movie 10 might take place in one of the timelines that Future Trunks created when he was doing his back and forth traveling to "save the world". The things that make me think this is that Goku is dead (heart virus?) and Gohan seems to be limited to SSj. I know that this is almost positively not what the writers of the movie where thinking, but is there any evidence that says that this couldn't take place in one of those time-lines?G-Villain wrote:The second one is, was Gohan a Super Saiyan 2 in Movie 10? I know he didn't have any sparks around him, but mistakes such as that have been made in DBZ, pretty blatantly too. So..who wants to answer these unanswerable questions? And if you could, please explain your reply.
I'm assuming that you're talking about the time-lines that Trunks created?Kroni_Hunter wrote:Btw, is there a forum topic on all the different time-lines besides the 3 from the show?
Thanks Rambo! much appreciatedSSj_Rambo wrote:I'm assuming that you're talking about the time-lines that Trunks created?Kroni_Hunter wrote:Btw, is there a forum topic on all the different time-lines besides the 3 from the show?
Anyway, here's an old thread about them, I know there's a few more and I'll try to find them later, but I think this one pretty much covers it all:
http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.php?t=137
There's also this awesome video that was made by this forum's member desirecampbell! It's gives us a nice visual explanation of all of the time-lines that Trunks created, it's very confusing, but I think it gives us the best and most accurate look at the subject that we can get: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGuHzVkLlno
Most confusing thing I've ever seen...second to the entire Dragonball metaseries.SSj_Rambo wrote:I'm assuming that you're talking about the time-lines that Trunks created?Kroni_Hunter wrote:Btw, is there a forum topic on all the different time-lines besides the 3 from the show?
Anyway, here's an old thread about them, I know there's a few more and I'll try to find them later, but I think this one pretty much covers it all:
http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.php?t=137
There's also this awesome video that was made by this forum's member desirecampbell! It's gives us a nice visual explanation of all of the time-lines that Trunks created, it's very confusing, but I think it gives us the best and most accurate look at the subject that we can get: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGuHzVkLlno
I too wondered this, it seems like in the movie they were trying to give Brolli every possible advantage, what with him only facing CHILDREN and a disillusioned, whiny teenager to fight.Rocketman wrote:Maybe we should also ask where the hell Vegeta and Piccolo were.
