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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Scsigs » Mon Jul 27, 2026 10:39 pm

Kenji wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2026 6:33 am A lot of things we grew up with were bad, there's no shame in recognizing it.
Things like Power Rangers, Mortal Kombat, Dragon Ball, etc. definitely didn't get popular because of the quality of their writing.

It's okay fam, I still watch/play them.
Dragon Ball actually has merit to being popular. Good characters, good action, good stories, etc. A lot of people find the series inspiring for having that "work hard at your passion & you'll be rewarded" thing to it & Goku embodies that perfectly. And that's just 1 example.

Power Rangers, I'd say steadily got better as it went on, plateaued with the late Saba/early Disney eras, took a massive nosedive with Neo Saban, had a second wind with Dino Charge, dropped again with Ninja Steel, then gained a bit of quality back with the Hasbro era. Early PR isn't that great, but as someone who grew up with Time Fore to SPD, that was a great run of PR that they just weren't able to recapture afterwards.

Also, Mortal Kombat is a series of fighting video games that ran on that stupid, edgy 90s energy. It came out at the right time to get popular. I don't think that's really comparable to DB, tbh.
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Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Mon Jul 27, 2026 11:09 pm

The Dark Knight wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2026 9:49 am
Kid Buu wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2026 9:13 am Yeah I agree with all that, I also got horror movie vibes from early Super Buu:

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That scene where he is just sitting on Kami's Lookout watching the time glass is insanely creepy. Subtle, but one of my favourite moments.
The Buu arc is severely underrated; this is just one of many, many great scenes this arc has to offer. I don't think fans realize just how hard it is to end a series as big as Dragon Ball was back in the day, much less end it while maintaining its quality. When the Buu arc started, the series had already been going on for 8 years, so to add an additional 2 years of story to that while also wrapping everything up, and it turning out as good as it did, is nothing short of a miracle. What likely made things even harder was the fact that the series was just coming off a major winning streak that started all the way back with the 22nd Tenkaichi, and went all the way up to Cell, so the pressure on Toriyama and Toei to live up to expectations must've been massive.
I think the Boo arc is fantastic, its full of surprises and always keeps you guessing how it will end. It also felt like Toriyama was going back to his gag manga routes with a more goofy antagonist with Fat Boo, Super Boo was boring because he was just a Cell clone, but Kid Boo is like no Dragon Ball villain before, just a complete killing machine that thinks about nothing but destruction and the thrill of it. I'd take the Boo arc over the Cell/artificial humans arcs any day and a lot of the time over the Saiyan arc even.
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Post by JulieYBM » Mon Jul 27, 2026 11:25 pm

I think the moment that the momentum from the Twenty-Second Tenka-ichi Budoukai truly ended was when Trunks realized that he could not defeat Perfect Cell. It was at that moment that Toriyama basically said, "This kid we've been following all arc long is not going to be the focus of this arc and all the wind is gone from his sails." It would have been one thing if Trunks had come back from training for the Cell Games having learned his lesson, but there's basically no indication that Trunks had changed at all during the ten days between losing to Perfect Cell and the Cell Games.

This guy, whose journey we've been following since that explosive, mysterious first appearance and whose backstory we so defined him, was basically just abandoned. The epilogue chapters for his future are completely uninteresting and lack any real catharsis.

I think Cell—for shits and giggles—outright just delaying the entire plot from that point on for ten whole days basically killed Dragon Ball. There's no momentum and there's no really deep character analysis going on, either.

I hate the term, but if I had to reply on short-hand for what I'm trying to say, I would say that Perfect Cell is the moment that the arc—if not Dragon Ball in general—jumped the shark. I don't think that the Majin Buu arc ever really recovered from this, either, in large part because Toriyama kept trading pay-off for cheap, zero protein attempts at being unpredictable.
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JulieYBM wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2026 11:25 pm I think the moment that the momentum from the Twenty-Second Tenka-ichi Budoukai truly ended was when Trunks realized that he could not defeat Perfect Cell. It was at that moment that Toriyama basically said, "This kid we've been following all arc long is not going to be the focus of this arc and all the wind is gone from his sails." It would have been one thing if Trunks had come back from training for the Cell Games having learned his lesson, but there's basically no indication that Trunks had changed at all during the ten days between losing to Perfect Cell and the Cell Games.

This guy, whose journey we've been following since that explosive, mysterious first appearance and whose backstory we so defined him, was basically just abandoned. The epilogue chapters for his future are completely uninteresting and lack any real catharsis.

I think Cell—for shits and giggles—outright just delaying the entire plot from that point on for ten whole days basically killed Dragon Ball. There's no momentum and there's no really deep character analysis going on, either.

I hate the term, but if I had to reply on short-hand for what I'm trying to say, I would say that Perfect Cell is the moment that the arc—if not Dragon Ball in general—jumped the shark. I don't think that the Majin Buu arc ever really recovered from this, either, in large part because Toriyama kept trading pay-off for cheap, zero protein attempts at being unpredictable.
While I don't feel as negatively about the arc we did get as you seem to, I can't help but agree that the Cell arc ought to have been headlined by Trunks the whole way through. Not only does Trunks's role go out with a whimper, Gohan taking the wheel in the finale really isn't built uo much at all. It hasn't been his story until like five minutes ago.
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Dragon Ball Ireland wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2026 11:09 pm Super Boo was boring because he was just a Cell clone, but Kid Boo is like no Dragon Ball villain before, just a complete killing machine that thinks about nothing but destruction and the thrill of it. I'd take the Boo arc over the Cell/artificial humans arcs any day and a lot of the time over the Saiyan arc even.
One of my favourite moments is Kid Buu's debut. Perfect Cell and Super Buu wanted a good fight to entertain them, but Kid Buu just decides to blow up the planet and one shot the entire Z Fighter team. Even Goku and Vegeta would have died had it not been for Kaioshin saving them at the last second.
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Post by Kenji » Tue Jul 28, 2026 9:10 am

Scsigs wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2026 10:39 pm Dragon Ball actually has merit to being popular. Good characters, good action, good stories, etc. A lot of people find the series inspiring for having that "work hard at your passion & you'll be rewarded" thing to it & Goku embodies that perfectly. And that's just 1 example.

Power Rangers, I'd say steadily got better as it went on, plateaued with the late Saba/early Disney eras, took a massive nosedive with Neo Saban, had a second wind with Dino Charge, dropped again with Ninja Steel, then gained a bit of quality back with the Hasbro era. Early PR isn't that great, but as someone who grew up with Time Fore to SPD, that was a great run of PR that they just weren't able to recapture afterwards.

Also, Mortal Kombat is a series of fighting video games that ran on that stupid, edgy 90s energy. It came out at the right time to get popular. I don't think that's really comparable to DB, tbh.
I mean, you can say what you want about later Power Rangers, Mortal Kombat, etc. But it's undeniable these franchises got popular at first thanks to nothing but cool factor. Their writing was horrendous. And yes, that includes Dragon Ball with its butchered hero depiction of Goku, its bowdlerizing of Vegeta and Freeza's genocidal characters and actions, and its "Bardock was a brilliant scientist" stuff.

Of course, things were refined on these franchises later on. Power Rangers got more faithful adaptations of their Sentai counterparts, better writing, Dragon Ball got more faithful dubs of its original script, but these came AFTER these franchises already got popular. And let's be real here. The reason why Dragon Ball, and all the other franchises I mentioned, got popular in the West at first was mainly because of "OMG so edgy, blood and death and violence!!!!"

It's true that you can find newfound appreciation for things you didn't quite understand as a child, and I'm not denying that Dragon Ball does have its merits, but I sincerely don't believe its writing is one of them, nor do I believe it to be the reason why it exploded in popularity the way it did, especially considering its first half got cut and was ignored entirely until years later, with many in the West then denouncing "the prequel" for being "mid/boring/worthless."

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Post by VegettoEX » Tue Jul 28, 2026 9:32 am

Kenji wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2026 6:33 amThings like Power Rangers, Mortal Kombat, Dragon Ball, etc. definitely didn't get popular because of the quality of their writing.
Scsigs wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2026 10:39 pmAlso, Mortal Kombat is a series of fighting video games that ran on that stupid, edgy 90s energy. It came out at the right time to get popular. I don't think that's really comparable to DB, tbh.
I'd like to (heavily) push back on this a bit.

I spoke about this on our Toriyama retrospective / life celebration podcast episode, but things like Street Fighter and yes Mortal Kombat were some of the things that primed me for being able to appreciate and fall in love with Dragon Ball.

Sure, MK's attention-grabbing feature is its violence, but as I talk about (time-stamped link there), the stuff it's pulling from wuxia storytelling and kung-fu films and all sorts of other inspirations are equally at home and found directly within DB.

Just like people find different things in DB to appreciate and love (the characters, the designs, the moment to moment writing, the big energy attacks, the group dynamics, the relationships, etc.), so too can (and did) people find different things to like and that resonated with them even in something as "simple" as MK. I was as all-in on the "lol violence" as I was "I need this comic book to understand the deep lore about the different factions and universes and long-standing rivalries between clans."
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Post by Kenji » Tue Jul 28, 2026 9:59 am

Of course, I'm not that big into Dragon Ball, so my experience will be vastly different than someone who's in love with it. The writing and characters just don't click with me, especially not Goku and Vegeta's near-sociopathic/narcissistic actions during Cell/Boo/Super that Toriyama tries to pass off as good things because "they're just so pure *-*", though I will acknowledge part of that is me having traumatic experiences through life that made me unable to relate with a few things.

But yeah, a work of art can have several things that can entice someone to be a fan of it, and that's perfectly okay.
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Kenji wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2026 9:10 am I mean, you can say what you want about later Power Rangers, Mortal Kombat, etc. But it's undeniable these franchises got popular at first thanks to nothing but cool factor. Their writing was horrendous. And yes, that includes Dragon Ball with its butchered hero depiction of Goku, its bowdlerizing of Vegeta and Freeza's genocidal characters and actions, and its "Bardock was a brilliant scientist" stuff.

Of course, things were refined on these franchises later on. Power Rangers got more faithful adaptations of their Sentai counterparts, better writing, Dragon Ball got more faithful dubs of its original script, but these came AFTER these franchises already got popular. And let's be real here. The reason why Dragon Ball, and all the other franchises I mentioned, got popular in the West at first was mainly because of "OMG so edgy, blood and death and violence!!!!"

It's true that you can find newfound appreciation for things you didn't quite understand as a child, and I'm not denying that Dragon Ball does have its merits, but I sincerely don't believe its writing is one of them, nor do I believe it to be the reason why it exploded in popularity the way it did, especially considering its first half got cut and was ignored entirely until years later, with many in the West then denouncing "the prequel" for being "mid/boring/worthless."
One thing I liked about MMPR as a kid was the connecting episodes, like the Green Ranger storylines. DBZ was connecting too, so that had me hooked as a kid to find out what was going to happen on the next episode. I guess that would file under "the writing is the appeal". I do agree that the writing in DBZ isn't really deep, but the franchise doesn't really pretend to be deep.
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Post by JulieYBM » Tue Jul 28, 2026 10:12 am

I recall watching Mighty Morphin Power Rangers Season 3 and being really drawn in by the arc-based nature of the season. Similar happened with the latter half of Turbo and then in Space: these seasons were my first exposure to serialized storytelling, which then primed me to become a Dragon Ball fan in 1998 and a General Hospital fan in 1999-2000 or so. These are all hardly the bastion of writing and filmmaking, of course, but I do think they work as Baby's First On-going Serial, especially since Power Rangers had largely started out as an episodic series and then shifted gears into a serialized story, so there were 'rules' that the third season-onward were 'breaking'.

Of course, that was thirty-one years ago, so my definition of 'good' has absolutely changed since then lol but if the question is "Did the writing draw people in" then I think that, yeah, part of what drew me in for Dragon Ball Z as it was being aired on Toonami in the fall of 1998 was the fact that the writing felt different from a lot of the average American cartoon.

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JulieYBM wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2026 10:12 am EDIT: Fuck, beaten to the PR annecdote lol
Sorry. :lol: Interestingly we had similar experiences. I'm definitely to use the term "Baby's First On-going Serial" in the future.

Season 3 was my favourite too. It constantly felt like the villains were 1-upping the Rangers. Lord Zedd appearing in the command centre blew my mind back then. :o
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Post by Kenji » Tue Jul 28, 2026 10:30 am

In my case, we already had serial shows before.
Soap operas and Tokusatsu were a thing before Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon and Saint Seiya aired here before Dragon Ball, the classic version of Dragon Ball aired for its first 60 episodes, so I didn't feel a strong connection to DBZ, at least not the "Baby's first serialized" way. I only got to watch the thing on my late 20's in which my impressions about the writing were not all that positive.

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Kenji wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2026 9:10 amThe reason why Dragon Ball got popular in the West at first was mainly because of "OMG so edgy, blood and death and violence!!!!"
I do believe this is true to an extent, but for me, it wasn't the only reason; I think the serialized nature of the show, compared to the episodic nature of Western series, also played a role in its popularity. Being able to watch a show from when the protagonist is a 12 year old kid, to where he becomes a grandfather at the end, is just something most fans in the west hadn't experienced. At most, we'd get 2-3 part stories before the status quo was reset, but Dragon Ball ? We were getting arcs that lasted 10s of episodes, with the ramifications of each one leading directly into the next. If you include GT and Z's movies in the mix, you had a series of over 500 episodes and 13 movies, telling one continuous story; that was simply unheard of at the time. The closest we got to that was the 2003 TMNT animated series, and that only lasted a little over 100 episodes before completely falling off a cliff quality wise with Fast Forward.

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Kenji wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2026 10:30 am In my case, we already had serial shows before.
Soap operas and Tokusatsu were a thing before Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon and Saint Seiya aired here before Dragon Ball, the classic version of Dragon Ball aired for its first 60 episodes, so I didn't feel a strong connection to DBZ, at least not the "Baby's first serialized" way. I only got to watch the thing on my late 20's in which my impressions about the writing were not all that positive.
Well everyone has their own timeline experiencing media. Saint Seiya wasn't really big here in the UK, but I did actually watch some soap operas with my family like EastEnders. Sailor Moon aired on Fox Kids, but I only ever saw a few episodes and didn't watch it in full until PGSM started making waves on the internet around 2003/2004. Around the heyday of me watching DBZ in my youth, I was also into Digimon and Jackie Chan Adventures, which were also connecting but still kids show like DBZ.
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Re Digimon: Ooh, yeah, that's another one where you could feel the passage of time in those first two seasons and their accompanying films. Even in Tamers, the use of adult characters gives the series this feeling of not really speaking down to the child audience but rather inviting them into the world of adults, which makes said child audience feel like they themselves are growing up.
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Sorry. :lol: Interestingly we had similar experiences. I'm definitely to use the term "Baby's First On-going Serial" in the future.

Season 3 was my favourite too. It constantly felt like the villains were 1-upping the Rangers. Lord Zedd appearing in the command centre blew my mind back then. :o
Ooh, yeah, I'm not that much older than you, although I'm in the States, so I don't know how that factors into things. I remember the Power Rangers mania and even seeing the first film when it came out in the summer of 1995.

But yeah! That third season was mind-blowing at the time. Things were changing within the status quo in a way that felt more significant than in the previous two seasons, despite the addition of a Sixth Ranger or the loss of replacement of three Rangers. I think the sort of arc-based, character-based phasing in-and-out of Kimberly probably played a role in that, but also seeing the original Zords destroyed at the beginning of the season and then the original Command Center at the end of the season really added to the "growing up means things change and go away and you need to deal with that" of it all.

The one-upping of it all also really hit. I think the arc-based nature of the season—especially Master Vile's victories over the Rangers—kind of puts the young viewer through 'limitations', which teaches them to appreciate pay-off. Executives just want to give kids what kids want immediately for the sake of their profits, but storytellers know that you need to pull back on that and make the kids 'work' for it by putting them through trials with the protagonists. As a writer myself, I've actually found that this same idea applies to adults, too lol. That 'challenge' of conflict is what makes the experience worth it.

I've been dicking around a bit and rewatching older episodes on YouTube—since they're officially available for free there in the US—and it's been fascinating going through them and telling which scenes were shot under Koichi Sakamoto as the 2nd Unit Director. Sakamoto didn't start directing episodes himself until around Zeo but he was still shooting the 2nd unit stuff and you can absolutely see his mature repertoire of directing techniques because of how much those scenes stick out from the rest of the episode's American footage. Once he took over shooting and choreographing the fights in Season 2 you can really see a major improvement in their speed and the density of the movement. The fight in Return of the Green Ranger Part 1—an episode partially shot in Australia!—has really nice choreography, especially from Frank and Bosch's shots—but what really stuck out to me was the confidence in how the camera moved to capture those shots. You can really see how even in the 1995 Sakamoto was shaping up into the powerhouse director he is today.
Kenji wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2026 10:30 am In my case, we already had serial shows before.
Soap operas and Tokusatsu were a thing before Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon and Saint Seiya aired here before Dragon Ball, the classic version of Dragon Ball aired for its first 60 episodes, so I didn't feel a strong connection to DBZ, at least not the "Baby's first serialized" way. I only got to watch the thing on my late 20's in which my impressions about the writing were not all that positive.
Maybe this sounds like I'm dismissive, but yeah. Dragon Ball isn't made for us adults, of course we can see the flaws in its writing, especially if we're only really getting around to reading and watching it in our late twenties lol.
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JulieYBM wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2026 10:56 am Re Digimon: Ooh, yeah, that's another one where you could feel the passage of time in those first two seasons and their accompanying films. Even in Tamers, the use of adult characters gives the series this feeling of not really speaking down to the child audience but rather inviting them into the world of adults, which makes said child audience feel like they themselves are growing up.
Adventure 1 + 2 and Tamers are some of my childhood favourites. I know a lot of people weren't down for Adventure 2 but I enjoyed it and how it handled the next progression of new generation while keeping the previous generation. Also really liked the concept of Tamers and how it basically Wes Craven's New Nightmare'd the series. :lol:

Never saw anything beyond Tamers though.
Ooh, yeah, I'm not that much older than you, although I'm in the States, so I don't know how that factors into things. I remember the Power Rangers mania and even seeing the first film when it came out in the summer of 1995.

But yeah! That third season was mind-blowing at the time. Things were changing within the status quo in a way that felt more significant than in the previous two seasons, despite the addition of a Sixth Ranger or the loss of replacement of three Rangers. I think the sort of arc-based, character-based phasing in-and-out of Kimberly probably played a role in that, but also seeing the original Zords destroyed at the beginning of the season and then the original Command Center at the end of the season really added to the "growing up means things change and go away and you need to deal with that" of it all.

The one-upping of it all also really hit. I think the arc-based nature of the season—especially Master Vile's victories over the Rangers—kind of puts the young viewer through 'limitations', which teaches them to appreciate pay-off. Executives just want to give kids what kids want immediately for the sake of their profits, but storytellers know that you need to pull back on that and make the kids 'work' for it by putting them through trials with the protagonists. As a writer myself, I've actually found that this same idea applies to adults, too lol. That 'challenge' of conflict is what makes the experience worth it.

I've been dicking around a bit and rewatching older episodes on YouTube—since they're officially available for free there in the US—and it's been fascinating going through them and telling which scenes were shot under Koichi Sakamoto as the 2nd Unit Director. Sakamoto didn't start directing episodes himself until around Zeo but he was still shooting the 2nd unit stuff and you can absolutely see his mature repertoire of directing techniques because of how much those scenes stick out from the rest of the episode's American footage. Once he took over shooting and choreographing the fights in Season 2 you can really see a major improvement in their speed and the density of the movement. The fight in Return of the Green Ranger Part 1—an episode partially shot in Australia!—has really nice choreography, especially from Frank and Bosch's shots—but what really stuck out to me was the confidence in how the camera moved to capture those shots. You can really see how even in the 1995 Sakamoto was shaping up into the powerhouse director he is today.
Oh yeah, MMPR actually predates me lol but my cousin was a big fan and had the VHS of the show and the film and even the game on the Sega Mega Drive. Not to mention the various series always rerun on Fox Kids so I did see everything til the end of In Space. Yeah the constant villain 1 upping the heroes was definitely something that got me on the edge of my seat. Now that I think about it, the villains basically won in Turbo too, and would have won In Space if Andros blowing up Zordon wasn't the "Goku summons Zeno on Zamasu" moment of the series. :lol:

I also credit MMPR with why I am a villain fan. Love how hammy Zedd and Rita were.

Episodes are available on YT here too, and being that I haven't seen the series in full since 2011, I'd like to rewatch the series but only so many hours of the day. I'll just have an episode on the background every now and then. I do watch MistareFusion's videos that compare MMPR/Zeo to its Super Sentai counterpart, which gets into some of the more technical stuff you talked about now. Funny thing is, she recently reviewed the Zeo Halloween episode which was my favourite one as a kid.
Maybe this sounds like I'm dismissive, but yeah. Dragon Ball isn't made for us adults, of course we can see the flaws in its writing, especially if we're only really getting around to reading and watching it in our late twenties lol.
Honestly I agree. DB is pretty much a kids show and is upfront about it. No idea if I'd have gotten into the IP if I first saw it in my 20's.
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JulieYBM wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2026 10:56 am Maybe this sounds like I'm dismissive, but yeah. Dragon Ball isn't made for us adults, of course we can see the flaws in its writing, especially if we're only really getting around to reading and watching it in our late twenties lol.
I like to revisit old shows I watched once I was a child.
Some of them leave me pleasantly surprised and I can still find joy in them in my later years.
Dragon Ball simply failed to entertain me as an adult revisiting it, but I'm not the only person on the planet, so...

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Kenji wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2026 11:35 am
JulieYBM wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2026 10:56 am Maybe this sounds like I'm dismissive, but yeah. Dragon Ball isn't made for us adults, of course we can see the flaws in its writing, especially if we're only really getting around to reading and watching it in our late twenties lol.
I like to revisit old shows I watched once I was a child.
Some of them leave me pleasantly surprised and I can still find joy in them in my later years.
Dragon Ball simply failed to entertain me as an adult revisiting it, but I'm not the only person on the planet, so...
That's fair. I've got some childhood classics that I like to rewatch, and some I occasional think about and go "oh yeah, that was a thing".
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by JulieYBM » Tue Jul 28, 2026 12:15 pm

Kenji wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2026 11:35 am
JulieYBM wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2026 10:56 am Maybe this sounds like I'm dismissive, but yeah. Dragon Ball isn't made for us adults, of course we can see the flaws in its writing, especially if we're only really getting around to reading and watching it in our late twenties lol.
I like to revisit old shows I watched once I was a child.
Some of them leave me pleasantly surprised and I can still find joy in them in my later years.
Dragon Ball simply failed to entertain me as an adult revisiting it, but I'm not the only person on the planet, so...
I wish I had the time to do that more often but I'm swamped as it is with my various projects and the occasional new series to watch.

That being said, yeah, I probably would not have a good time trying to sit through those first three series again. They're really tedious and ultimately don't fully capitalize on its ideas.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by WittyUsername » Tue Jul 28, 2026 1:07 pm

If we’re comparing Dragon Ball to something like Power Rangers, I’d put Power Rangers on a lower caliber compared to Dragon Ball. Much of Power Rangers is honestly something that appeals to 5 or 6 year olds, while Dragon Ball always seemed much closer to the pre-teen demographic.

Side note, but I think a major reason the 2017 Power Rangers movie failed was because it tried to be a PG-13 superhero movie that’s full of teen angst right out of a John Hughes movie. It should’ve gone for a tone closer to what the Sonic movies have been doing.

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