Dragon Ball World

[goodguy777]

First of all, I'm not trying to make a war. These are my observations in the world of Dragon Ball:

1.) Sonic boom doesn't exists even though a spaceship inside a planet travels faster than sound and light.

2.) Nothing indicates that the machine guns and rocket-powered aircrafts in the dragon ball world are different than ours in terms of speed. Dragon Ball world are more advance than ours. Machine guns and rocket-powered aircrafts are faster than sound:

The speed of sound is 343 m/s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_sound

12.7x99 mm (bullet of a heavy machine gun) is 800 m/s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projectile

Rocket-powered aircraft is 7,258 km/h = 7,258,000 k/h = 2016.11 m/s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ve ... ed_records

Important conversions:

1 m/s = 3.6 km/h
1 mph = 1.609 km/h
1 knot = 1.852 km/h = 0.514 ms-1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed

Bullets can go faster than sound (they can catch machine gun bulletS with their back) and kinto'un is faster than a super sonic jet (proven with a race and z-fighters are faster than the kinto'un).

It was proven several times that z-warriors are many times faster than sound. I don't like underestimations and overestimations.

[SSj_Rambo]

Are you trying to ask something or are you pointing out several things? It's a little hard to tell what you're trying to say, the only piece of Dragonball information that I picked up was "It was stated several times that z-warriors are faster than human-powered aircraft"...maybe you should try and sum everything you just said into one summarizing statement.

[Yasai-R-Mighty]

2.) Nothing indicate that the machine guns and human-powered aircrafts in the dragon ball world are different than ours in terms of speed. Dragon Ball world are more advance than ours. Machine guns and human-powered aircrafts are faster than sound:

Well if you want to be this technical then bullets might be faster, or if not then the speed of sound itself in the dbz universe. Otherwise you would see Radditz catch the bullet, the farmer shot at him, and then hear the sound a few seconds after words. In the anime anways....You can imagine happening however you want reading the manga. I think it's a little arbitrary to bring physics into the world of DBZ since every aspect of it seems to defy them, starting with Vegeta's hair. Either way I think it's safe to assume that there is either no sonic booms, or that the speed of sound in the dbz universe is faster.

[Zuhalter2000]

You are being over anaylitical about the series. Mr.Toryama never intended his series to be scrutinized like this. He was making art, its not supposed to be scientifically correct.

[goodguy777]

Are you trying to ask something or are you pointing out several things? It's a little hard to tell what you're trying to say, the only piece of Dragonball information that I picked up was "It was stated several times that z-warriors are faster than human-powered aircraft"...maybe you should try and sum everything you just said into one summarizing statement.

I'll repeat this again, I didn't make this thread to start a war like what happened in the past. It's a little hard for you to tell what I'm saying because this is pure physics, mathematics is the essence of physics unlike what Xyex and rocketman were trying to prove in the past thread. Pardon me but its true, they are "major in physics" wanna be's (sorry for that). An example of this is, Xyex didn't understand that its possible not to be sucked by the black hole if you're not within it's past horizon and his logical fallacy about black shirts or crystal prism-to-light relations and black hole-to-light relations, and the most strangest posts of his was about the absolute zero-to-no sun(total darkness relation).

Sorry for that, but my points are bullets can go faster than sound (z-warriors can catch machine gun bullets) with their back and kinto'un is faster than a super sonic jet (proven with a race and z-warriors are faster than the kinto'un).

2.) Nothing indicate that the machine guns and human-powered aircrafts in the dragon ball world are different than ours in terms of speed. Dragon Ball world are more advance than ours. Machine guns and human-powered aircrafts are faster than sound:

Well if you want to be this technical then bullets might be faster, or if not then the speed of sound itself in the dbz universe. Otherwise you would see Radditz catch the bullet, the farmer shot at him, and then hear the sound a few seconds after words. In the anime anways....You can imagine happening however you want reading the manga. I think it's a little arbitrary to bring physics into the world of DBZ since every aspect of it seems to defy them, starting with Vegeta's hair. Either way I think it's safe to assume that there is either no sonic booms, or that the speed of sound in the dbz universe is faster.

You are being over anaylitical about the series. Mr.Toryama never intended his series to be scrutinized like this. He was making art, its not supposed to be scientifically correct.

I'm only pointing out what bullets and rocket-powered aircraft can do since Toriyama didn't define it in his own words or manga, it's safe to assume that it's the same in the real world. Also, if bullets and rocket-powered aircraft in dragon ball manga are slower, he would define it in his own manga or words.

[SSj_Rambo]

OK, I'm trying to understand your scientifically advanced theory, and I think you're trying to point out that mathematics and physics prove that sonic booms don't exist in the Dragonball world. Sorry if I interpreted that wrong, I only have a ninth grade science/physics education.

[goodguy777]

OK, I'm trying to understand your scientifically advanced theory, and I think you're trying to point out that mathematics and physics prove that sonic booms don't exist in the Dragonball world. Sorry if I interpreted that wrong, I only have a ninth grade science/physics education.

It's ok, the best way to do sometimes are define the meaning of the word and find out what it can do. It's different than applying physics in fictional world because I didn't convert Ki to Watts or Ki to coulombs, I only point out what is machine gun-bullet and what it can do.

[Rocketman]

they are "major in physics" wanna be's

I'm actually a history major.

And, I don't recall there ever being a delay between seeing something and hearing it in DB. Maybe the speed of sound is just faster in the universe.

[Xyex]

An example of this is, Xyex didn't understand that its possible not to be sucked by the black hole if you're not within it's past horizon and his logical fallacy about black shirts or crystal prism-to-light relations and black hole-to-light relations, and the most strangest posts of his was about the absolute zero-to-no sun(total darkness relation).

You really do need to start reading and comprehending posts before you complain about what was said in them. I know more about black holes than you do, something that's already been proven by your statements.

1) I never said that something outside the event horizon would get pulled in. You said that only light inside the event horizon would be pulled in. This is incorrect. If Yakon is using the power of a black hole to absorb Goku's light, and the light he's absorbing is around Goku, and this light is inside the event horizon, this means that Goku is also inside the event horizon.

2) My mentions of black shirts was to point out that there are things other than black holes where light is lost. The prisms was to point out that there are things that can effect light that are not gravity.

3) No sun =/= Absolute zero. Absolute zero has been scientifically proven impossible in the natural universe and is considered improbable even in a lab environment.

Sorry for that, but my points are bullets can go faster than sound (z-warriors can catch machine gun bullets) with their back and kinto'un is faster than a super sonic jet (proven with a race and z-warriors are faster than the kinto'un).

1) No one ever catches machine gun bullets until Ultimate Gohan does so in movie 13, I believe. Up until then they get hit by them. In fact, the only bullets that are caught, far as I can remember, in the actual series is when Raditz catches the shotgun blast. But, beyond that, catching a bullet is reflexes, not speed. They're seperate things. A baseball player can smack a ball flying at 120 mph, doesn't mean they can run at 120 mph.

2) Which race would this be? I don't seem to remember that.

And, I don't recall there ever being a delay between seeing something and hearing it in DB. Maybe the speed of sound is just faster in the universe.

I think it's just a case of Toriyama (or Toei with the anime) not giving a crap what speed something was supposed to move at and just going with what looked cool.

[mAcChaos]

Roshi catches tons of machine gun bullets in Dragonball.

[SSj_Rambo]

Here's an old theory that I had to read twice to fully understand, but you physics majors and physics experts and what-not should all understand what it means. Much like what you were trying to prove goodguy777, this seems to give a very scientific and elaborate explanation to why there are no sonic booms in the Dragonworld, and explanations for a few other complicated things.

Albert Einstein theorized that time and gravity are a close link. He also said if you travel at the speed of light your body will age slower than people that are not. If you travel at the speed of light for 10 years, came back to earth, you'll be 10,000 years into the future (or something like that). In 1976 a physicist theorized you can travel back in time by getting and object with a gravity 100,000 stronger than our sun's, stand at the edge of it, and spin the object close to light speed. The exact opposite of going to the future in which you must go at the speed of light.

Remember, the higher ones gravity or weight in proportion to one's relative gravity, the faster time would travel. To an ant, life seems just as long as to an elephant. That's why flies have much better reflexes.

Now, imagine the Earth, the Sun and a blackhole laying on top of a rubber sheet. Earth will bend the sheet a little and the Sun will bend the sheet a lot because its heavier. A Black Hole on the other hand will break through the sheet. The Black Hole has such a powerful gravity that even light cannot escape. The Black Hole is quite literally making it's own time frame and own universe. In other words, if you bend gravity, you bend time. Any physicist will tell you this.

Now your reading this and saying to yourself "What the heck does this have to do with anything!"
Well one night I connected this theory with why in DBZ they have really fast reflexes and move so fast! As one recalls, in DBZ they obviously move faster than the speed of sound without making sonic booms. In the next paragraph I hope I will make DBZ scientifically possible.

Did you ever notice why gravity seems to be the main topic of massive powerlevel increases? That's because Goku is able to adapt to lets say 450 times gravity. To him, normal now is 450 times gravity. Everything in the normal gravity world just seems slow when he's charged up. Sure, there are other ways of become ungodly powerful in DBZ without gravity training, but this is concrete evidence. Goku in which now mastered time a gravity himself because earth's gravity is no longer an obstacle.

Couple paragraphs ago I said that DBZ characters usually don't make sonic booms even though they travel much faster than the speed of sound. Well, think about it. Vegeta is like a black hole, his power is so strong that he's able (you guessed it) bend time and gravity himself! History lesson: In 1996 a French physicist proposed on can travel at the speed of light without actually going the speed of light. If you can squeeze the gravity ahead of you, you can get past the object faster but still going at the same speed. That's because there's less distance between you and your desired point. What Vegeta does is bend gravity ahead of him so he can get closer, lets say, Recoom, without having to break the law of physics which does not permit traveling close to the speed of light. The higher one's powerlevel, the higher one's "gravity". So Vegeta gets to Recoom without actually traveling faster than the speed of sound in which ladies and gentleman, without making a sonic boom.

Why do you think when character charge up, they strangely alter gravity around them? Or when two character lock up, the ground around them creates a crater? They create their own gravity. Akira Toriyama is a smart fellow. He probably knew this without actually knowing why.

PS- Isn't it funny that the same gravity enhancing ship that Goku used to get to planet Namek also lets him travel beyond light speed. Remember, it's supposed to take years at light speed travel to get from one star to another. Just a thought.

It's a very interesting read, and I thought it would appeal to some of you...hopefully.

[Xyex]

*SSJ Rambo's quote post*

Haha.

No.

Firstly, FTL travel that lacks time-dilation requires much much more than gravity manipulation. So the gravity machine doesn't even factor into Goku's ship. After all, the Namek ship Bulma, Gohan, and Krillin took was also much faster than light (6 seconds to get to Jupiter).

Now, as for some of the other points.

Did you ever notice why gravity seems to be the main topic of massive powerlevel increases? That's because Goku is able to adapt to lets say 450 times gravity. To him, normal now is 450 times gravity. Everything in the normal gravity world just seems slow when he's charged up. Sure, there are other ways of become ungodly powerful in DBZ without gravity training, but this is concrete evidence. Goku in which now mastered time a gravity himself because earth's gravity is no longer an obstacle.

First of all, Goku never trained at more than 100g. Following his trip to Namek he is never again shown in a gravity room. But we'll ignore that for now since Vegeta did train up to 450g. But it doesn't matter. Training in that higher gravity wouldn't have effect this person assumes. Gravity traning is equivical to weight training.

That is to say that using gravity to train with simply adds weight to your body so that it has to work harder to achieve a goal. Such as standing, walking, throwing a punch, jumping, or flying. Removal of this weight, either by removing actual weights or by shutting off the gravity, has no effect physically on the individual.

A person can display greater strength and speed without the weight, but this is not a gravitational result. This is merely the result of the body needing to do less work to acheive a goal. It's equivical to a human going to the moon and jumping 50 feet into the air with next to no effort. There's no exceedence of gravity or manipulation of it involved. They're simply applying the same amount of force they use to jump under normal conditions but now, with less weight to hold them down, that amount of force equals a greater amount of work being done. This is very basic physics.

Why do you think when character charge up, they strangely alter gravity around them? Or when two character lock up, the ground around them creates a crater? They create their own gravity.

Oh boy.

Occam's Razor, folks. Occam's Razor. The simpliest answer is usually the correct one.

Point one: Flying rocks and debris? Updraft from the force of their power washing out around their bodies.

Point Two: Crater's in the ground below fighters? Shockwave impact craters. Happens all the time when bombs explode in the air. The shear force of the shockwave blast causes an impact crater. On incidences like the crater around Vegeta following his SSJ transformation this is an explosion crater formed by the force of his power blasting out upon transformation.

And I think that about covers everything worth mentioning from that.

[goodguy777]

they are "major in physics" wanna be's

I'm actually a history major.

I'm a graduating engineering student, physics is one of my major.

And, I don't recall there ever being a delay between seeing something and hearing it in DB. Maybe the speed of sound is just faster in the universe.

Same with the machine guns in the real world, but the whole point is being a delay between seeing something and hearing it is not an overall requirement for speed of sound.

You really do need to start reading and comprehending posts before you complain about what was said in them. I know more about black holes than you do, something that's already been proven by your statements.

1) I never said that something outside the event horizon would get pulled in. You said that only light inside the event horizon would be pulled in. This is incorrect. If Yakon is using the power of a black hole to absorb Goku's light, and the light he's absorbing is around Goku, and this light is inside the event horizon, this means that Goku is also inside the event horizon.

Like I said before, Yakon is not a blackhole, he only eats light unlike a blackhole that pulls everything like a vacuum cleaner.

2) My mentions of black shirts was to point out that there are things other than black holes where light is lost. The prisms was to point out that there are things that can effect light that are not gravity.

My point is only a black hole can pull light like a powerful vacuum cleaner. Sorry If I cannot point it out directly by using the words absorb and pull. Black shirt and crystal cannot suck light like a powerful vacuum cleaner.

3) No sun =/= Absolute zero. Absolute zero has been scientifically proven impossible in the natural universe and is considered improbable even in a lab environment.

You see, I'm an engineering student and my professor(masteral of science in engineering) told me about my statements before. Prove it in formula that it is impossible in a place where you can't detect any light, sun and stars, like Yakon's planet.

Sorry for that, but my points are bullets can go faster than sound (z-warriors can catch machine gun bullets) with their back and kinto'un is faster than a super sonic jet (proven with a race and z-warriors are faster than the kinto'un).

1) No one ever catches machine gun bullets until Ultimate Gohan does so in movie 13, I believe. Up until then they get hit by them. In fact, the only bullets that are caught, far as I can remember, in the actual series is when Raditz catches the shotgun blast. But, beyond that, catching a bullet is reflexes, not speed. They're seperate things. A baseball player can smack a ball flying at 120 mph, doesn't mean they can run at 120 mph.

2) Which race would this be? I don't seem to remember that.

Try to re-read the manga.

And, I don't recall there ever being a delay between seeing something and hearing it in DB. Maybe the speed of sound is just faster in the universe.

I think it's just a case of Toriyama (or Toei with the anime) not giving a crap what speed something was supposed to move at and just going with what looked cool.

I wish you knew what you're talking about.

Here's an old theory that I had to read twice to fully understand, but you physics majors and physics experts and what-not should all understand what it means. Much like what you were trying to prove goodguy777, this seems to give a very scientific and elaborate explanation to why there are no sonic booms in the Dragonworld, and explanations for a few other complicated things.

Albert Einstein theorized that time and gravity are a close link. He also said if you travel at the speed of light your body will age slower than people that are not. If you travel at the speed of light for 10 years, came back to earth, you'll be 10,000 years into the future (or something like that). In 1976 a physicist theorized you can travel back in time by getting and object with a gravity 100,000 stronger than our sun's, stand at the edge of it, and spin the object close to light speed. The exact opposite of going to the future in which you must go at the speed of light.

Remember, the higher ones gravity or weight in proportion to one's relative gravity, the faster time would travel. To an ant, life seems just as long as to an elephant. That's why flies have much better reflexes.

Now, imagine the Earth, the Sun and a blackhole laying on top of a rubber sheet. Earth will bend the sheet a little and the Sun will bend the sheet a lot because its heavier. A Black Hole on the other hand will break through the sheet. The Black Hole has such a powerful gravity that even light cannot escape. The Black Hole is quite literally making it's own time frame and own universe. In other words, if you bend gravity, you bend time. Any physicist will tell you this.

Now your reading this and saying to yourself "What the heck does this have to do with anything!"
Well one night I connected this theory with why in DBZ they have really fast reflexes and move so fast! As one recalls, in DBZ they obviously move faster than the speed of sound without making sonic booms. In the next paragraph I hope I will make DBZ scientifically possible.

Did you ever notice why gravity seems to be the main topic of massive powerlevel increases? That's because Goku is able to adapt to lets say 450 times gravity. To him, normal now is 450 times gravity. Everything in the normal gravity world just seems slow when he's charged up. Sure, there are other ways of become ungodly powerful in DBZ without gravity training, but this is concrete evidence. Goku in which now mastered time a gravity himself because earth's gravity is no longer an obstacle.

Couple paragraphs ago I said that DBZ characters usually don't make sonic booms even though they travel much faster than the speed of sound. Well, think about it. Vegeta is like a black hole, his power is so strong that he's able (you guessed it) bend time and gravity himself! History lesson: In 1996 a French physicist proposed on can travel at the speed of light without actually going the speed of light. If you can squeeze the gravity ahead of you, you can get past the object faster but still going at the same speed. That's because there's less distance between you and your desired point. What Vegeta does is bend gravity ahead of him so he can get closer, lets say, Recoom, without having to break the law of physics which does not permit traveling close to the speed of light. The higher one's powerlevel, the higher one's "gravity". So Vegeta gets to Recoom without actually traveling faster than the speed of sound in which ladies and gentleman, without making a sonic boom.

Why do you think when character charge up, they strangely alter gravity around them? Or when two character lock up, the ground around them creates a crater? They create their own gravity. Akira Toriyama is a smart fellow. He probably knew this without actually knowing why.

PS- Isn't it funny that the same gravity enhancing ship that Goku used to get to planet Namek also lets him travel beyond light speed. Remember, it's supposed to take years at light speed travel to get from one star to another. Just a thought.

It's a very interesting read, and I thought it would appeal to some of you...hopefully.

This is stupid, I only point out what a machine gun bullets and rocket powered- aircraft can do.

*SSJ Rambo's quote post*

Haha.

No.

Firstly, FTL travel that lacks time-dilation requires much much more than gravity manipulation. So the gravity machine doesn't even factor into Goku's ship. After all, the Namek ship Bulma, Gohan, and Krillin took was also much faster than light (6 seconds to get to Jupiter).

Now, as for some of the other points.

Did you ever notice why gravity seems to be the main topic of massive powerlevel increases? That's because Goku is able to adapt to lets say 450 times gravity. To him, normal now is 450 times gravity. Everything in the normal gravity world just seems slow when he's charged up. Sure, there are other ways of become ungodly powerful in DBZ without gravity training, but this is concrete evidence. Goku in which now mastered time a gravity himself because earth's gravity is no longer an obstacle.

First of all, Goku never trained at more than 100g. Following his trip to Namek he is never again shown in a gravity room. But we'll ignore that for now since Vegeta did train up to 450g. But it doesn't matter. Training in that higher gravity wouldn't have effect this person assumes. Gravity traning is equivical to weight training.

That is to say that using gravity to train with simply adds weight to your body so that it has to work harder to achieve a goal. Such as standing, walking, throwing a punch, jumping, or flying. Removal of this weight, either by removing actual weights or by shutting off the gravity, has no effect physically on the individual.

A person can display greater strength and speed without the weight, but this is not a gravitational result. This is merely the result of the body needing to do less work to acheive a goal. It's equivical to a human going to the moon and jumping 50 feet into the air with next to no effort. There's no exceedence of gravity or manipulation of it involved. They're simply applying the same amount of force they use to jump under normal conditions but now, with less weight to hold them down, that amount of force equals a greater amount of work being done. This is very basic physics.

Very basic physics uses math, so where's the formula and computations. Physics uses math.

Why do you think when character charge up, they strangely alter gravity around them? Or when two character lock up, the ground around them creates a crater? They create their own gravity.

Oh boy.

Occam's Razor, folks. Occam's Razor. The simpliest answer is usually the correct one.

Point one: Flying rocks and debris? Updraft from the force of their power washing out around their bodies.

Point Two: Crater's in the ground below fighters? Shockwave impact craters. Happens all the time when bombs explode in the air. The shear force of the shockwave blast causes an impact crater. On incidences like the crater around Vegeta following his SSJ transformation this is an explosion crater formed by the force of his power blasting out upon transformation.

And I think that about covers everything worth mentioning from that.

At least try to prove it by using algebra, trigonometry, differential calculus, integral calculus, chemistry, physics 1,2 and 3, dc and ac circuits, electrical machines, electronics 1 and 2, mechanics, strength of material, fluid mechanics, hydraulics and logic circuit. Real physics is math not statements, you can't prove anything by statements. Well I'm not trying to insult you but at least try to prove it by math, since you stated before that you know more physics than I do. To tell you the truth I don't recall you using math when you want to prove something by physics.

[SonEric84]

This could go back and forth forever. The only real answer to all of this is that it's a fictional story and Toriyama could do whatever he wants regardless of laws of physics (which I'm sure he didn't put much thought into.)

[goodguy777]

This could go back and forth forever. The only real answer to all of this is that it's a fictional story and Toriyama could do whatever he wants regardless of laws of physics (which I'm sure he didn't put much thought into.)

I didn't use physics as dragon ball's reference.

I only point out what machine gun bullets and rocket-powered aircrafts can do. Is that hard for you to understand?

As for rocketman and Xyex, they keep on using a statement about "delay between seeing something and hearing it", they forgot that manga is a COMICS (not a real event) and animations are adaption with inconsistencies. Also, "a delay between seeing something and hearing it" doesn't always happen in the real world.

[SonEric84]

I didn't use physics as dragon ball's reference.

I only point out what machine gun bullets and rocket-powered aircrafts can do. Is that hard for you to understand?

If you aren't trying to use physics as a "reference," then why are you trying to point out "what machine gun bullets and rocket-powered aircrafts can do?" From here it looks like you're the one who is having a hard time understanding. Instead of trying to insult my intelligence realize that it makes no difference what these things do in the real world, Dragon Ball (though it seems to follow some of the basic principles of physics) defies that.

[Xyex]

This is my last post here becuase I don't feel like repeating myself endlessly when I can already tell it wont get me anywhere.

You see, I'm an engineering student and my professor(masteral of science in engineering) told me about my statements before. Prove it in formula that it is impossible in a place where you can't detect any light, sun and stars, like Yakon's planet.

...

Only an idiot would need a formula to grasp that light =/= heat. Energy = heat. So long as there are atoms in motion there is heat. In order to achieve absolute zero you would have to stop the production of all heat on all levels. The movement of atoms, chemical reactions, background radiation, and so forth. Even the furthest reaches of space have heat. As I've said before, the coldest point in space that's ever been found is still 1 K.

And I'm going to stop here. I was going to reply to the rest but just looking at it is giving me a headache. I really don't see any point to continue this. I'll just say that if you pass your physics class I'll be highly shocked and leave it at that.

[SSj_Rambo]

At least try to prove it by using algebra, trigonometry, differential calculus, integral calculus, chemistry, physics 1,2 and 3, dc and ac circuits, electrical machines, electronics 1 and 2, mechanics, strength of material, fluid mechanics, hydraulics and logic circuit. Real physics is math not statements, you can't prove anything by statements. Well I'm not trying to insult you but at least try to prove it by math, since you stated before that you know more physics than I do. To tell you the truth I don't recall you using math when you want to prove something by physics.

I don't think that it is possible to use any of those things on a forum.

...Also, "a delay between seeing something and hearing it" doesn't always happen in the real world.

There is always a delay between hearing something and seeing something, it's just hardly ever noticeable due to how slowly our synapses fire.

Here's how:

If a bomb goes off 1,000 ft. in front of you the light (which is the picture that we see) from that point will take approx. 1.016/100 of a seconds to reach your eyes (Equation: 983,571,056.4 (fps)/1,000 (ft.)=983571.0564~1 sec/983571.0564=.1016 sec).

The sound from that explosion will take 1.129 seconds to reach your ears (Equation: 1129 (fps)/1000 (ft.)=1.129).

It's the same way we see a firework in the distance before we hear it.

[loney123]

Gokus speed while travelling the Snake Way for the second time:

Goku was moving at a speed between 8,630 mph - 12,945 mph or 2.4 - 3.6 miles per second or mach 11 - mach 17, assuming he was flying nonstop on the way back.

Just something I thought I'll post.

[Cypher]

All real-world scientific debate notwithstanding, isn't the simple fact of the matter just that, as Xyex already stated, Toriyama didn't give a rat's ass about such things and instead just went with cool visuals?

And goodguy777: kudos on being a uni student and bank manager at the same time, must be challenging timewise