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SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:02 pm

Toonami is winding down as far as anime goes, our best hope for a revival of Dragonball is the live action movie, but that depends on if the movie doesn't actually suck and the general population's reaction to the film and CN's thick-headedness.

gonz · Post by **gonz** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:29 pm

Film critics are going to hate the Dragon Ball movie no matter what, so the only way for the movie to do anything substantive would be for it to make big bank.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:40 pm

gonz wrote:Film critics are going to hate the Dragon Ball movie no matter what, so the only way for the movie to do anything substantive would be for it to make big bank.

Not true, there is a slight (and i do mean slight) chance the film could do well. Most likely you are right though. It'll get thrown into the critic's blacklist of comic book and Adam Sandler movies that get an auto-thumbs-down.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:52 pm

Does anyone even follow the official critics anymore? I mean with the huge mass of people blogging about movies who aren't officially-paid critics, do they even have as big an impact as they might've 10 or 15 years ago?

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:00 pm

Chuquita wrote:Does anyone even follow the official critics anymore? I mean with the huge mass of people blogging about movies who aren't officially-paid critics, do they even have as big an impact as they might've 10 or 15 years ago?

I don't even look at what they have to say anymore because they typically only give good reviews to the more "serious" genre of movies and just slap a thumbs down on anything that happens to have an explosion in it.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:02 pm

I don't listen to bloggers because they dislike grain. Grain is a natural part of the filming process, and brings out detail. It's idiots like those bloggers who complain about it that brought us atrocities like the Star Wars '04s grain-free set.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:16 pm

Which is why I don't really think the critics (be they official or bloggers) will majorly affect this movie in any way. People listen more to their friends in terms of what they thought of the movie rather than the critics/bloggers.

It's why we have movies that become sleeper hits; "and they told two friends who told two friends and so on and so forth".

Not that I think the DB movie's gonna be a sleeper hit, but still.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:33 pm

gonz wrote:Film critics are going to hate the Dragon Ball movie no matter what, so the only way for the movie to do anything substantive would be for it to make big bank.

I feel they will bury the movie the same way most of them dismiss the franchise. Most of them think of it as a 2000's craze and not a global phenomenon. So I'll be ignoring the critics like I always do.

DBZGokuSaiyan · Post by **DBZGokuSaiyan** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:06 am

Raki wrote:
gonz wrote:Film critics are going to hate the Dragon Ball movie no matter what, so the only way for the movie to do anything substantive would be for it to make big bank.
I feel they will bury the movie the same way most of them dismiss the franchise. Most of them think of it as a 2000's craze and not a global phenomenon. So I'll be ignoring the critics like I always do.

Count me in. I'm kinda scared about how the DB movie's gonna turn out... I hope they just don't mess it up... or else than DB/Z/GT haters can have a "reason" to poke us with sticks.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:16 am

Pain wrote:
Kendamu wrote:Pssh. Let CN and Toonami do their own thing. Just becauseits not like the glory days doesn't mean that Dragonball's not getting any respect. It ran its course multiple times, overstayed its welcome amongst the masses, and then finally got thrown off the air so hard that its not even on Toonami Jetstream anymore.

From the standpoint of people who like the Japanese version better, its actually more respectful to not have the dub so easily accessible.
So, you're saying that it's better for the American Dragonball dub not to air just because the fans of the Japanese dub don't like it? Or are you trying to say that they feel that it shouldn't be easily accessible because more and more people will prefer the American dub over the Japanese dub? I like both, so it doesn't matter to me.

I mean what I say. There's no real depth to it. Some people see the dub in such a bad light that they'd rather not see it on TV because they think it gives Dragonball a bad name.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:30 am

Kendamu wrote:
Pain wrote:
Kendamu wrote:Pssh. Let CN and Toonami do their own thing. Just becauseits not like the glory days doesn't mean that Dragonball's not getting any respect. It ran its course multiple times, overstayed its welcome amongst the masses, and then finally got thrown off the air so hard that its not even on Toonami Jetstream anymore.

From the standpoint of people who like the Japanese version better, its actually more respectful to not have the dub so easily accessible.
So, you're saying that it's better for the American Dragonball dub not to air just because the fans of the Japanese dub don't like it? Or are you trying to say that they feel that it shouldn't be easily accessible because more and more people will prefer the American dub over the Japanese dub? I like both, so it doesn't matter to me.
I mean what I say. There's no real depth to it. Some people see the dub in such a bad light that they'd rather not see it on TV because they think it gives Dragonball a bad name.

Well, I'll say this: No matter how many "J-Dub Only" fans are out there, the American dub Officials will not stop producing their product just because some whiny fans don't like it. It's just something that can't be helped. The dub will not end for the time being, so why don't the "I hate the dub" guys just take a chill pill and leave the dub be?

But this is a quote that sums a lot up. Vegetto EX said this:

KingBroly wrote:
Why don't you tell them to stop it?

VegettoEX wrote:
If we knew how to do that, this whole internet thing would be good to go.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:40 am

Pain wrote:Officials will not stop producing their product just because some whiny fans don't like it.

You're the one who has been whining every single time someone criticizes the FUNimation dub.

It is not exempt from critique, just because you like it.

Stop acting like your feelings are hurt every time someone criticizes the dub, it's getting ridiculous, everyone here has their own personal preference, if people with differing opinions affect you in such a way, then maybe you're posting on the wrong forum.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:48 am

Pain wrote:Well, I'll say this: No matter how many "J-Dub Only" fans are out there, the American dub Officials will not stop producing their product just because some whiny fans don't like it.

That was never my point. Why are you even making an argument out of this. All I said was that there are people out there who hate the FUNi dub so much that they feel that its very existence taints the reputation of the original. I never said anything about the effects pretentious and/or passionate anime fans may or may not have on the dubbing of any particular anime.

So, please, stop arguing points that I'm not even making.

It's just something that can't be helped. The dub will not end for the time being, so why don't the "I hate the dub" guys just take a chill pill and leave the dub be?

For the most part, they do. Just like how I mostly leave the anime alone even though I find the manga to be completely superior in all but one specific regard: the anime has music. Just because someone doesn't like the dub doesn't mean that they're hurting your chances of buying Draognball Z on DVD and watching the dub.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:48 am

Captain Awesome wrote:
Pain wrote:Officials will not stop producing their product just because some whiny fans don't like it.
You're the one who has been whining every single time someone criticizes the FUNimation dub.

It is not exempt from critique, just because you like it.

Stop acting like your feelings are hurt every time someone criticizes the dub, it's getting ridiculous, everyone here has their own personal preference, if people with differing opinions affect you in such a way, then maybe you're posting on the wrong forum.

Do you think that I don't have issues with dub myself? I really just have my own opinion just like everyone else. I guess I'll just have to stop doing that since it causes a lot of conflict. I really should make posts like that, because EVERY TIME that happens, Vegetto EX has to warn me. I don't want to be warned anymore and I don't want to be banned.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:52 am

Kendamu wrote:
Pain wrote:Well, I'll say this: No matter how many "J-Dub Only" fans are out there, the American dub Officials will not stop producing their product just because some whiny fans don't like it.
That was never my point. Why are you even making an argument out of this. All I said was that there are people out there who hate the FUNi dub so much that they feel that its very existence taints the reputation of the original. I never said anything about the effects pretentious and/or passionate anime fans may or may not have on the dubbing of any particular anime.

So, please, stop arguing points that I'm not even making.

It's just something that can't be helped. The dub will not end for the time being, so why don't the "I hate the dub" guys just take a chill pill and leave the dub be?
For the most part, they do. Just like how I mostly leave the anime alone even though I find the manga to be completely superior in all but one specific regard: the anime has music. Just because someone doesn't like the dub doesn't mean that they're hurting your chances of buying Draognball Z on DVD and watching the dub.

I don't know how to double quote, so I'm sorry for the double post. I wasn't referring to you. I was just referring to the people(no one in specific) that...well you get my point, right? I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I wasn't trying to argue.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:09 am

Pain wrote:
Kendamu wrote:
Pain wrote:Well, I'll say this: No matter how many "J-Dub Only" fans are out there, the American dub Officials will not stop producing their product just because some whiny fans don't like it.
That was never my point. Why are you even making an argument out of this. All I said was that there are people out there who hate the FUNi dub so much that they feel that its very existence taints the reputation of the original. I never said anything about the effects pretentious and/or passionate anime fans may or may not have on the dubbing of any particular anime.

So, please, stop arguing points that I'm not even making.

It's just something that can't be helped. The dub will not end for the time being, so why don't the "I hate the dub" guys just take a chill pill and leave the dub be?
For the most part, they do. Just like how I mostly leave the anime alone even though I find the manga to be completely superior in all but one specific regard: the anime has music. Just because someone doesn't like the dub doesn't mean that they're hurting your chances of buying Draognball Z on DVD and watching the dub.
I don't know how to double quote, so I'm sorry for the double post. I wasn't referring to you. I was just referring to the people(no one in specific) that...well you get my point, right? I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I wasn't trying to argue.

Its cool. I started it, anyway, by making such a comment about the A-Dub and J-Dub fans.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:14 am

Kendamu wrote:
Pain wrote:
Kendamu wrote: That was never my point. Why are you even making an argument out of this. All I said was that there are people out there who hate the FUNi dub so much that they feel that its very existence taints the reputation of the original. I never said anything about the effects pretentious and/or passionate anime fans may or may not have on the dubbing of any particular anime.

So, please, stop arguing points that I'm not even making.
For the most part, they do. Just like how I mostly leave the anime alone even though I find the manga to be completely superior in all but one specific regard: the anime has music. Just because someone doesn't like the dub doesn't mean that they're hurting your chances of buying Draognball Z on DVD and watching the dub.
I don't know how to double quote, so I'm sorry for the double post. I wasn't referring to you. I was just referring to the people(no one in specific) that...well you get my point, right? I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I wasn't trying to argue.
Its cool. I started it, anyway, by making such a comment about the A-Dub and J-Dub fans.

Thanks. But I've been known as the whiner who hates when people insult the A-Dub. I don't like to whine. It's just that some people say some pretty bad things about the dub. But those are their opinions and I know that I cannot change them. I've learned that from numerous warnings from Mr.EX. I think that I'm out of strikes.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:46 am

Pain wrote: But I've been known as the whiner who hates when people insult the A-Dub. I don't like to whine. It's just that some people say some pretty bad things about the dub. But those are their opinions and I know that I cannot change them. I've learned that from numerous warnings from Mr.EX. I think that I'm out of strikes.

It's not all just whiny dub fan-boyism, as much as the J-dub supporters defend their right to have an opinion and always seem to come out on top looking smarter in these kinds of debates they do tend to be a tad too harsh towards the dub. Also, I'm not trying to create more controversy with the J-dub fans so please don't snap back at me with a heated remark.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:34 am

SSJ2bardock wrote:
Pain wrote: But I've been known as the whiner who hates when people insult the A-Dub. I don't like to whine. It's just that some people say some pretty bad things about the dub. But those are their opinions and I know that I cannot change them. I've learned that from numerous warnings from Mr.EX. I think that I'm out of strikes.
It's not all just whiny dub fan-boyism, as much as the J-dub supporters defend their right to have an opinion and always seem to come out on top looking smarter in these kinds of debates they do tend to be a tad too harsh towards the dub. Also, I'm not trying to create more controversy with the J-dub fans so please don't snap back at me with a heated remark.

No need for heated remarks. You only said that fans of the Japanese version never seem to come out on top in terms of intelligence, right?

Yes, it was a snide remark... but I couldn't resist! Sorry.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:36 am

Kendamu wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:
Pain wrote: But I've been known as the whiner who hates when people insult the A-Dub. I don't like to whine. It's just that some people say some pretty bad things about the dub. But those are their opinions and I know that I cannot change them. I've learned that from numerous warnings from Mr.EX. I think that I'm out of strikes.
It's not all just whiny dub fan-boyism, as much as the J-dub supporters defend their right to have an opinion and always seem to come out on top looking smarter in these kinds of debates they do tend to be a tad too harsh towards the dub. Also, I'm not trying to create more controversy with the J-dub fans so please don't snap back at me with a heated remark.
No need for heated remarks. You only said that fans of the Japanese version never seem to come out on top in terms of intelligence, right?

Yes, it was a snide remark... but I couldn't resist! Sorry.

It only SEEMS that way. And things aren't always as they seem.