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[SHINOBI-03]

Anybody here read Kajika?

I've been waiting for over 20 years for a licensed release.

[SSGpotota]

What could have been a better color for Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan?

I'm not crazy for the blue... on paper it works: stark contrast with SSG red, and looks unnatural in a fitting way for a divine transformation. But hair in Dragon Ball already tends to look like solid stalagmites, the blue color makes them look even more fake. It works better when it's less saturated, more cyan than electric blue and on fluffier hair.

Originally it was supposed to be white, but it would've clashed with Fused Zamasu's hair. Also, if you give white/silver to SSGSS, then what, do you give blue to Ultra Instinct? That'd be interesting tho

Pink could also work, a good progression from red, looks great already on Black, give him blue to look even colder and more alien.

Personally, I'm leaning towards orange. Because, y'know... yellow + red = orange. Cumber rocks it and looks great. Maybe not unnatural enough to look "divine" and it would require an outfit change for Goku to make some contrast (good excuse to bring back the blue gi).

[PhantomSaiyan]

What could have been a better color for Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan?

I'm not crazy for the blue... on paper it works: stark contrast with SSG red, and looks unnatural in a fitting way for a divine transformation. But hair in Dragon Ball already tends to look like solid stalagmites, the blue color makes them look even more fake. It works better when it's less saturated, more cyan than electric blue and on fluffier hair.

Originally it was supposed to be white, but it would've clashed with Fused Zamasu's hair. Also, if you give white/silver to SSGSS, then what, do you give blue to Ultra Instinct? That'd be interesting tho

Pink could also work, a good progression from red, looks great already on Black, give him blue to look even colder and more alien.

Personally, I'm leaning towards orange. Because, y'know... yellow + red = orange. Cumber rocks it and looks great. Maybe not unnatural enough to look "divine" and it would require an outfit change for Goku to make some contrast (good excuse to bring back the blue gi).

Respectfully man but I would hate it so much lol
Looks too similar to SSJGod's red, except it's worse in every conceivable way, It would look absolutely terrible on both Goku and Vegeta, and blue looks way more divine than orange.

The only good thing about it would be to finally see Kakarot with carrot colored hair lol

[JulieYBM]

I like the blue, it contrasts with how the Super Saiyan God form's red hair is supposed to clash with the softer look of their bodies.

Super Saiyan God: softer body, powerful hair color
Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan: powerful body, softer hair color

It's a nice little flip of the dynamic and doesn't try to bog down the eye with a ton of details. It's the illustration equivalent of 'a breezy read'. I also just really like how it basically took over as the main Super Saiyan form throughout Dragon Ball Super. A series like Dragon Ball would have probably just stuck to the full-on nostalgia of having the series represented only by the original Super Saiyan, but here it's that "something new, something blue, something borrowed, something old" effect, which I think kind of hits an "all four quadrants" mark. I think it also just helps that the form isn't all that much harder to draw or recognize.

Alternatively, they could have just mixed red and gold as a color to create copper, ruby, orange-red or vermillion, but those wouldn't have stuck out as much as blue does. Here you get that contrasting effect of 'blue' being both a calm color, but given a power-based role compared to the sort of support role or magic arts role of Super Saiyan God.

[DanielSSJ]

Not to mention that blue fire burn hotter than red fire, for all the science nerds in the audience.

[SSGpotota]

What could have been a better color for Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan?

I'm not crazy for the blue... on paper it works: stark contrast with SSG red, and looks unnatural in a fitting way for a divine transformation. But hair in Dragon Ball already tends to look like solid stalagmites, the blue color makes them look even more fake. It works better when it's less saturated, more cyan than electric blue and on fluffier hair.

Originally it was supposed to be white, but it would've clashed with Fused Zamasu's hair. Also, if you give white/silver to SSGSS, then what, do you give blue to Ultra Instinct? That'd be interesting tho

Pink could also work, a good progression from red, looks great already on Black, give him blue to look even colder and more alien.

Personally, I'm leaning towards orange. Because, y'know... yellow + red = orange. Cumber rocks it and looks great. Maybe not unnatural enough to look "divine" and it would require an outfit change for Goku to make some contrast (good excuse to bring back the blue gi).

Respectfully man but I would hate it so much lol
Looks too similar to SSJGod's red, except it's worse in every conceivable way, It would look absolutely terrible on both Goku and Vegeta, and blue looks way more divine than orange.

The only good thing about it would be to finally see Kakarot with carrot colored hair lol

I guess I'm biased 'cause orange is my favorite color, also I didn't consider the carrot thing lol

I like the blue, it contrasts with how the Super Saiyan God form's red hair is supposed to clash with the softer look of their bodies.

Super Saiyan God: softer body, powerful hair color
Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan: powerful body, softer hair color

It's a nice little flip of the dynamic and doesn't try to bog down the eye with a ton of details. It's the illustration equivalent of 'a breezy read'. I also just really like how it basically took over as the main Super Saiyan form throughout Dragon Ball Super. A series like Dragon Ball would have probably just stuck to the full-on nostalgia of having the series represented only by the original Super Saiyan, but here it's that "something new, something blue, something borrowed, something old" effect, which I think kind of hits an "all four quadrants" mark. I think it also just helps that the form isn't all that much harder to draw or recognize.

Alternatively, they could have just mixed red and gold as a color to create copper, ruby, orange-red or vermillion, but those wouldn't have stuck out as much as blue does. Here you get that contrasting effect of 'blue' being both a calm color, but given a power-based role compared to the sort of support role or magic arts role of Super Saiyan God.

Yeah there's lots of reasons why blue was the best choice, I can't argue with that. I guess my problem is more with how the hair looks most of the time rather than the color itself.
I don't agree with SSB taking over being a nice thing. OG Super Saiyan looks amazing and is THE transformation. Maybe if Blue had a better introduction instead of coming out of nowhere and achieving it off-screen... I'd be happier about it. Imagine Vegeta, about to get obliterated by Frieza, being the one to whip it out, out of his burning desire to avenge the Saiyans and his umiliating defeat on Namek, then wiping the floor with Frieza while Goku tries to understand how Vegeta did it, then doing it and joining the fight.
If they just gave it a cooler introduction I'd be more positive about it overall.

[JulieYBM]

Yeah there's lots of reasons why blue was the best choice, I can't argue with that. I guess my problem is more with how the hair looks most of the time rather than the color itself.
I don't agree with SSB taking over being a nice thing. OG Super Saiyan looks amazing and is THE transformation. Maybe if Blue had a better introduction instead of coming out of nowhere and achieving it off-screen... I'd be happier about it. Imagine Vegeta, about to get obliterated by Frieza, being the one to whip it out, out of his burning desire to avenge the Saiyans and his umiliating defeat on Namek, then wiping the floor with Frieza while Goku tries to understand how Vegeta did it, then doing it and joining the fight.
If they just gave it a cooler introduction I'd be more positive about it overall.

I think what makes Super Saiyan Blue work so well as the main form of Dragon Ball Super is the fact that its introduction does suck. Resurrection F is not a good film, not a good comic and not a television arc. Super Saiyan Blue has managed to succeed despite all those things, which is funny on its own.

[Chuquita]

Both Masako Nozawa and Mayumi Tanaka were in today's Netflix Ranma episode; hearing Nozawa doing the Freeza "Ohoho!" laugh was fun.

[DanielSSJ]

Both Masako Nozawa and Mayumi Tanaka were in today's Netflix Ranma episode; hearing Nozawa doing the Freeza "Ohoho!" laugh was fun.

I watched a new episode of Ranma ½ today and tomorrow I'm going to watch a new episode of Dragon Ball. What a strange time we're living in

[JulieYBM]

And the twenty-fifth is Nozawa's 90th birthday, too. What a neat turn of events lol

[super michael]

Goku and Gohan were able to stay in their SSJ1 form make it feel like their base form, therefore they can stay in their SSJ the entire time without any strain or drain and feel relaxed. I wonder why the same can't be done to SSB.

If SSB doesn't leak any ki at all, then shouldn't that mean they waste less ki instead of more ki? If SSB is just SSJ that is tapping into God Ki, then I don't see why the drain should be high.


The only transformation that we know it is beneficial to stay the entire time transformed is SSJ, going from Base form to SSJ is pointless and waste ki for no reason. Now the higher transformation if they waste more ki, then it is pointless to stay in those forms such as SSJ2+.

[angeldreamZ004]

Happy 90th Birthday to Masako Nozawa

[ABED]

I'm surprised by how many people consider the Goku vs. Vegeta fight in the Buu arc a victory for Vegeta. The fight was called off, ergo, not a victory.

[PhantomSaiyan]

Yeah it's obviously not a win for Vegeta, and he doesn't consider it as such either since he comments on finishing things up with Goku later, meaning he clearly doesn't see himself as victorious for getting a cheap shot while he was distracted lol

I'm surprised this is a debate to begin with in the fandom

[JulieYBM]

I think it sucks that there is a type of person who really needs a fight like that to matter when it clearly doesn't really matter to Toriyama, given how he decided to end the fight and the character arc going on there.

[Koitsukai]

I'm surprised by how many people consider the Goku vs. Vegeta fight in the Buu arc a victory for Vegeta. The fight was called off, ergo, not a victory.

I think it's mostly due to the anime expanding upon that fight with scenes like the ki chains and Vegeta giving speechs about how bad he wanted to beat Goku up. It gives off the vibe that Vegeta was running the show.
The cheap KO should be enough to see there was no clear winner, though.

[ZeroNeonix]

We find out later that Goku was holding back anyway. He had Super Saiyan 3 in his back pocket the whole time.

[super michael]

We find out later that Goku was holding back anyway. He had Super Saiyan 3 in his back pocket the whole time.

Goku said his reason why he didn't use SSJ3.

We the viewers know all the detail what is going on, but from a character point of view they don't know all the details. Goku doesn't know how much more energy Buu needs to revive, worst case he waste SSJ3 on Vegeta and Buu revives.
Keep in mind before Buu revived, no one knew how strong Buu was except Kaioshin who was unreliable.

[Koitsukai]

We find out later that Goku was holding back anyway. He had Super Saiyan 3 in his back pocket the whole time.

Goku said his reason why he didn't use SSJ3.

We the viewers know all the detail what is going on, but from a character point of view they don't know all the details. Goku doesn't know how much more energy Buu needs to revive, worst case he waste SSJ3 on Vegeta and Buu revives.
Keep in mind before Buu revived, no one knew how strong Buu was except Kaioshin who was unreliable.

We've been through this before, that horse is skull and bones by now. Buu was only revived if Goku took damage, not if Vegeta did. Had Goku turned SS3 from the start and oneshot Vegeta, Buu wouldn't have gone anywhere.
Goku just wanted to have a nice time, not save the day.

[super michael]

We find out later that Goku was holding back anyway. He had Super Saiyan 3 in his back pocket the whole time.

Goku said his reason why he didn't use SSJ3.

We the viewers know all the detail what is going on, but from a character point of view they don't know all the details. Goku doesn't know how much more energy Buu needs to revive, worst case he waste SSJ3 on Vegeta and Buu revives.
Keep in mind before Buu revived, no one knew how strong Buu was except Kaioshin who was unreliable.

We've been through this before, that horse is skull and bones by now. Buu was only revived if Goku took damage, not if Vegeta did. Had Goku turned SS3 from the start and oneshot Vegeta, Buu wouldn't have gone anywhere.
Goku just wanted to have a nice time, not save the day.

Maybe Goku wouldn't get any damage, but can the same be said for Gohan and Kaioshin?
Babidi can teleport the fighters to any location that he wants in the universe. That is how Babidi fighters were fighting in their home planet advantage.

IT is useless if Goku doesn't know the location of earth or if the distance is too far away.


So Goku wasn't lying about using SSJ3 as an emergency. Goku wasn't thinking about enjoying his fight, using SSJ3 recklessly wasn't wise.