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[Koitsukai]

Goku said his reason why he didn't use SSJ3.

We the viewers know all the detail what is going on, but from a character point of view they don't know all the details. Goku doesn't know how much more energy Buu needs to revive, worst case he waste SSJ3 on Vegeta and Buu revives.
Keep in mind before Buu revived, no one knew how strong Buu was except Kaioshin who was unreliable.

We've been through this before, that horse is skull and bones by now. Buu was only revived if Goku took damage, not if Vegeta did. Had Goku turned SS3 from the start and oneshot Vegeta, Buu wouldn't have gone anywhere.
Goku just wanted to have a nice time, not save the day.

Maybe Goku wouldn't get any damage, but can the same be said for Gohan and Kaioshin?
Babidi can teleport the fighters to any location that he wants in the universe. That is how Babidi fighters were fighting in their home planet advantage.

IT is useless if Goku doesn't know the location of earth or if the distance is too far away.

More reason to stop messing around and finish Vegeta off sooner rather than later. Anyway, my money is on Gohan for round 2 against Dabura.

[super michael]

We've been through this before, that horse is skull and bones by now. Buu was only revived if Goku took damage, not if Vegeta did. Had Goku turned SS3 from the start and oneshot Vegeta, Buu wouldn't have gone anywhere.
Goku just wanted to have a nice time, not save the day.

Maybe Goku wouldn't get any damage, but can the same be said for Gohan and Kaioshin?
Babidi can teleport the fighters to any location that he wants in the universe. That is how Babidi fighters were fighting in their home planet advantage.

IT is useless if Goku doesn't know the location of earth or if the distance is too far away.

More reason to stop messing around and finish Vegeta off sooner rather than later. Anyway, my money is on Gohan for round 2 against Dabura.

Goku has no idea how much time he would waste using SSJ3, if the worst happens and he gets teleported to a unknown location, then he would be screwed. This can happen if Babidi sees that he is desperate.
This never happened since Babidi was always confident in his fighter.

You view Goku not using SSJ3 as a mistake, while I view it as a good move.

[ZeroNeonix]

My point was that the fight was only close because Goku chose not to use SS3. Vegeta got really angry when he realized Goku wasn't going all out. Whatever the reason for Goku not using the transformation, it was not a victory for Vegeta.

[DanielSSJ]

IT is useless if Goku doesn't know the location of earth or if the distance is too far away.

This isn't a rebuttal since the series plays this card often enough, but I feel like the distance thing kinda goes out the window when Goku regularly teleports into the afterlife or into the Kaioshin Realm, which is outside the Universe.

Ki sensing itself is similarly inconsistent. All the main characters noticed Nappa and Vegeta landing on Earth from all over the world, but Gohan never noticed Goten going Super Saiyan in their backyard?

[super michael]

IT is useless if Goku doesn't know the location of earth or if the distance is too far away.

This isn't a rebuttal since the series plays this card often enough, but I feel like the distance thing kinda goes out the window when Goku regularly teleports into the afterlife or into the Kaioshin Realm, which is outside the Universe.

Ki sensing itself is similarly inconsistent. All the main characters noticed Nappa and Vegeta landing on Earth from all over the world, but Gohan never noticed Goten going Super Saiyan in their backyard?

True it doesn't make sense how Goku was able to sense Gohan in his base form, even if Gohan was training with the Z sword.
In the Cell Game we saw Goku couldn't detect New Namek from Earth, so he had to go to Kaio Planet and get his help, then teleport to New Namek. Then from New Namek he went to Kaio Planet and then Earth.

In RoF movie somehow Goten and Trunks didn't sense Freeza. In the Galactic Patrol chapter again somehow Goten and Trunks didn't sense anything, even though the enemies were attacking multiple places in the world, with higher power level than Majin Buu and Ultimate Gohan.

Gohan and Vegeta should have noticed Goten and Trunks huge power, when they turned SSJ in the Buu Saga or between Cell Game until Buu Saga.

[dbs fanboy]

If the Grand Kai is actually still alive inside of Majin Boo, shouldn't Beerus still be alive in Trunks's timeline, regardless of the Kaioshin's death?

What would happen to good Boo if Vegeta used Spirit Fission on him? (i don't remember if they address this point in the arc).

[Grimlock]

This idea of Gods of Destruction's lives being linked to their Kaioshin's ones, like many other recent ideas, was poorly thought out and planned. So many questions I doubt they will ever clarify.

It "might" work in the other Universes where there is apparently just one Kaioshin (although that's itself another problem altogether), but certainly it does not work when it comes to Universe 7.

[PhantomSaiyan]

If the Grand Kai is actually still alive inside of Majin Boo, shouldn't Beerus still be alive in Trunks's timeline, regardless of the Kaioshin's death?

What would happen to good Boo if Vegeta used Spirit Fission on him? (i don't remember if they address this point in the arc).

Seems to me that Beerus' life, or any god of destruction's life, is connected to whoever is currently being employed as Kaioshin, so if Grand Kai isn't currently fulfilling that role, then their life aren't connected, regardless of the fact that he's not actually dead.

[ZeroNeonix]

If the Grand Kai is actually still alive inside of Majin Boo, shouldn't Beerus still be alive in Trunks's timeline, regardless of the Kaioshin's death?

What would happen to good Boo if Vegeta used Spirit Fission on him? (i don't remember if they address this point in the arc).

I think the absorption happened such a long time ago, that the Grand Kai was fully integrated into Buu's body and soul, so that they're inseparable. According to the Super manga, when Buu split into Good Buu and Evil Buu, the Kai's memories and personality went with Good Buu, while Evil Buu got the powers. In retrospect, maybe that's how Kid Buu was able to teleport to the world of the Kais. I assumed it was Instant Transmission, but Kais have their own teleportation technique. But anyway, if the Kai's traits could be split like that, you probably can't separate him from Buu anymore.

[Grimlock]

Almost forgot, Kaioshin of South was also absorbed, so if they are not dead (according to Moro saga), then it means there are three Kaioshins alive and on duty (since they weren't replaced). Four if you want to count Old Kaioshin, though he's the former Kaioshin of East, so I think he's the only one who may not be on duty, so I wouldn't count him.

[DanielSSJ]

This idea of Gods of Destruction's lives being linked to their Kaioshin's ones, like many other recent ideas, was poorly thought out and planned. So many questions I doubt they will ever clarify.

It "might" work in the other Universes where there is apparently just one Kaioshin (although that's itself another problem altogether), but certainly it does not work when it comes to Universe 7.

It's also always been weird to me considering neither the Kaioshin nor the Destroyers are naturally occurring. It isn't like a Piccolo/Kami situation where the link is inherent to their fundamental nature of being two halves of the same person, the Kaioshin and the Destroyers are appointed positions. The Kaioshin at least are all made up of the same species who seem to be inherently divine, but the Destroyers were all normal mortals who were selected and trained to be gods.

So how did they become tied together? And Why? Does the connection make them stronger or more capable of performing their duties, or does it extend their lifespans or something? What's the point (besides explaining why there's no Beerus to take out Goku Black in Trunks' timeline)

[super michael]

This idea of Gods of Destruction's lives being linked to their Kaioshin's ones, like many other recent ideas, was poorly thought out and planned. So many questions I doubt they will ever clarify.

It "might" work in the other Universes where there is apparently just one Kaioshin (although that's itself another problem altogether), but certainly it does not work when it comes to Universe 7.

It's also always been weird to me considering neither the Kaioshin nor the Destroyers are naturally occurring. It isn't like a Piccolo/Kami situation where the link is inherent to their fundamental nature of being two halves of the same person, the Kaioshin and the Destroyers are appointed positions. The Kaioshin at least are all made up of the same species who seem to be inherently divine, but the Destroyers were all normal mortals who were selected and trained to be gods.

So how did they become tied together? And Why? Does the connection make them stronger or more capable of performing their duties, or does it extend their lifespans or something? What's the point (besides explaining why there's no Beerus to take out Goku Black in Trunks' timeline)

Kaioshin can live million of years, I assume their long life span gets shared with the GoD. If a Saiyan becomes a GoD, then most likely their life span would increase thanks to the Kaioshin.

[DanielSSJ]

Kaioshin can live million of years, I assume their long life span gets shared with the GoD. If a Saiyan becomes a GoD, then most likely their life span would increase thanks to the Kaioshin.

Technically, according to interviews, the Glinds (or Shinjin as they used to be known) are supposed to only live for 75,000 years, so maybe it's mutually beneficial.

Then again, I think Kaio was implied to be at least a million years old, so who knows.

[Doctor Seaweed Roll]

Anybody know the catalog number for this album?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZk8NkasfQo

[Grimlock]

It's also always been weird to me considering neither the Kaioshin nor the Destroyers are naturally occurring. It isn't like a Piccolo/Kami situation where the link is inherent to their fundamental nature of being two halves of the same person, the Kaioshin and the Destroyers are appointed positions. The Kaioshin at least are all made up of the same species who seem to be inherently divine, but the Destroyers were all normal mortals who were selected and trained to be gods.

So how did they become tied together? And Why? Does the connection make them stronger or more capable of performing their duties, or does it extend their lifespans or something? What's the point (besides explaining why there's no Beerus to take out Goku Black in Trunks' timeline)

Becoming a God of Destruction is basically putting your life on the line, at risk of dying at any moment. Which leads to another issue: why is Kaioshin so weak in comparison to the God of Destruction? Why don't they train under the angels too so that at least they can protect themselves and for their counterparts not be in constant state of worry?

[VegettoEX]

Anybody know the catalog number for this album?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZk8NkasfQo

KDSD-73

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/music/singles/

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/2005/07/20/m ... -released/

[dbgtFO]

The newly elected Texas Attorney General is Nathan Johnson, the Funi dub composer, when they went back and redubbed eposodes 1-67 of DBZ and the composer for a bunch of the Funi dub versions of the Z movies.
Perhaps he'll make quite a few headlines in the coming years with the cases that will undoubtedly land on his desk.
The equivalent of Capsule Corporation is rife for investigation

[Scsigs]

The newly elected Texas Attorney General is Nathan Johnson, the Funi dub composer, when they went back and redubbed eposodes 1-67 of DBZ and the composer for a bunch of the Funi dub versions of the Z movies.
Perhaps he'll make quite a few headlines in the coming years with the cases that will undoubtedly land on his desk.
The equivalent of Capsule Corporation is rife for investigation

This has been joked about in the community for a few years since KaiserNeko brought it up in a DBZA Creator Commentary. Before this, he was a part of the Texas Senate since 2019.

[jjgp1112]

The newly elected Texas Attorney General is Nathan Johnson, the Funi dub composer, when they went back and redubbed eposodes 1-67 of DBZ and the composer for a bunch of the Funi dub versions of the Z movies.
Perhaps he'll make quite a few headlines in the coming years with the cases that will undoubtedly land on his desk.
The equivalent of Capsule Corporation is rife for investigation

Being involved in Dragon Ball Z and running for office in a state with a heavy latino population is a great career move.

[Kid Buu]

I saw Godzilla Minus Zero today and definitely thought that if Japan were to make a live-action Dragon Ball series or film, I'd like to see the staff behind this film work on it.

Also, I find it funny that South Korea, Taiwan and the US have made live-action Dragon Ball films and not Japan.