How come Gohan and the others didn't learn Super Saiyan God?

[BernardoCairo]

Did Gohan even have any interest in becoming a Super Saiyajin God at that point? I don't think he did. He had no desire to fight in the first place. Vegeta, on the other hand, actively wanted it and even expressed some frustration about Goku always being the protagonist. So it made much more sense for Vegeta to get that power-up next.
By the time Gohan returned to fighting, he had decided to pursue a different path and develop his power as a human. I actually think that's a much more interesting direction for his character.

[super michael]

Gohan wasn't interested and Goten and Trunks are too young to deal with that level of power.

By the time Gohan might be interested due to new threats arriving and Goten and Trunks are older, Pan is a baby, which might prevent them from doing the ritual, if Videl channeling her intent was necessary.

It's not like anyone needs to do the ritual at this point. They can just train with Whis to unlock SSG.

At least according to the Super anime (never brought up elsewhere).

If so, that doesn't require much extra explaining. Whis isn't training just anyone.

How do we know Whis isn't interested in training anyone else apart from Goku, Vegeta and Broly? Goten was interested in training with Whis, but the one that didn't allow that was Chi Chi and Bulma.

Goku isn't allowed to train with Goten, so that is why he doesn't teach Goten SSG. As for Vegeta he only has his eyes on Cabba.

[Zebra]

By the time Gohan returned to fighting, he had decided to pursue a different path and develop his power as a human. I actually think that's a much more interesting direction for his character.

Just because he wants to get stronger in his own way doesn't mean he should pass on obtaining God ki, though. Beast would surely be stronger with God ki.

[BernardoCairo]

Maybe? We don't really know. Beast comes from Gohan’s rage, him almost losing control. I don't think it matches well with what Whis taught us about God Ki.

[Zebra]

Maybe? We don't really know.

Why wouldn't Gohan want to find out?

Beast comes from Gohan’s rage, him almost losing control. I don't think it matches well with what Whis taught us about God Ki.

It's not like God ki requires you to be in total control of yourself. "UE" and "True Ultra Instinct" let your emotions run amok.

[BernardoCairo]

Yes, but Super Saiyajin God, which is what the thread is discussing, relies on the user keeping their ki from leaking out and maintaining their composure during battle. I think Gohan is doing pretty much the opposite of that.
He also doesn't seem particularly interested in leaving Earth to train with Whis for months at a time. I get the impression he'd rather do his own training, or train with Piccolo, on Earth.

[Zebra]

Yes, but Super Saiyajin God, which is what the thread is discussing, relies on the user keeping their ki from leaking out and maintaining their composure during battle.

Only SSB relies on that (and I'm pretty sure that's just filler, but anyway).

He also doesn't seem particularly interested in leaving Earth to train with Whis for months at a time.

He can just have Gokuu bring him back after a week or so.

[DanielSSJ]

Only SSB relies on that (and I'm pretty sure that's just filler, but anyway).

The thing about maintaining composure is a Toriyama quote (he called it "tranquil and strong" once), but it's not something the series ever stuck with, so...

[JulieYBM]

Only SSB relies on that (and I'm pretty sure that's just filler, but anyway).

The thing about maintaining composure is a Toriyama quote (he called it "tranquil and strong" once), but it's not something the series ever stuck with, so...

Getting away from that idea works, I'd offer! Super Saiyan God is introduced as tranquil, which contrasts with the choice of 'red' for a sign of strength. So, since were usually associate 'blue' was a trainquil feeling, then making Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan a form that gets more heated and passionate goes against that, while also playing into the idea of the hottest fire being blue.

[BernardoCairo]

Only SSB relies on that (and I'm pretty sure that's just filler, but anyway).

Super Saiyajin Blue is essentially an evolved form of Super Saiyajin God, as Beerus himself says in the manga. The same principles that apply to Blue should also apply to God, at least when it comes to God Ki. After all, God is basically the Saiyajin's base form with God Ki, while Blue is Super Saiyajin with God Ki. So why would the fundamental properties of God Ki suddenly change between the two forms?
Also, what makes you so certain that it's filler? Dragon Ball Super doesn't have a single original source material in the same way Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z did. There's no clear distinction between what is canon and what isn't based on an original manga. What we got is what we got. Besides, this element appears in both the anime and the manga, so dismissing it as filler doesn't really make sense.

He can just have Gokuu bring him back after a week or so.

Would he really be willing to leave behind his work and studies, which he clearly enjoys, just to train on the other side of the universe, potentially for weeks at a time? And what about his family? Doesn't he want to spend as much time as possible with Pan now? Gohan has different priorities from Goku.

[DanielSSJ]

Also, what makes you so certain that it's filler? Dragon Ball Super doesn't have a single original source material in the same way Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z did. There's no clear distinction between what is canon and what isn't based on an original manga. What we got is what we got. Besides, this element appears in both the anime and the manga, so dismissing it as filler doesn't really make sense.

I personally take it as filler because it's not really followed up on anywhere else and it kinda doesn't make sense (if god ki is about not letting your ki leak out, why do all the god forms have auras?). But that's me.

[Koitsukai]

By the time Gohan returned to fighting, he had decided to pursue a different path and develop his power as a human. I actually think that's a much more interesting direction for his character.

Just because he wants to get stronger in his own way doesn't mean he should pass on obtaining God ki, though.

God ki is Goku and Vegeta's way. Wanting to find his own path means he literally wants none of it.

[PhantomSaiyan]

God ki is Goku and Vegeta's way. Wanting to find his own path means he literally wants none of it.

As always with Dragon Ball, it makes sense from an out of universe perspective because ofc diff characters have different paths and movesets, that's why nobody learned Instant Transmission, Kaioken and the Genkidama, and why none of the other Saiyans did the SSJGod ritual

But from an in universe perspective, it's lowkey just stupid. I know DB characters are not that pragmatic and logical but come on, why would anyone in Gohan's shoes pass up a guaranteed GOD level powerup for the vague pursuit of "my own path" which may or may not pan out well, come on lol

I always found that super flimsy. Did he know that he was gonna get a movie a few years later with an asspull powerup?

[Zebra]

Super Saiyajin Blue is essentially an evolved form of Super Saiyajin God, as Beerus himself says in the manga.

Vegeeta clearly doesn't keep his mind calm when he's SSB. In fact, that's the opposite to his fighting style.

Would he really be willing to leave behind his work and studies, which he clearly enjoys, just to train on the other side of the universe, potentially for weeks at a time? And what about his family? Doesn't he want to spend as much time as possible with Pan now? Gohan has different priorities from Goku.

He can take a vacation from work, and he doesn't need to be around Pan 24/7. It'd be no different from a work trip, and hell, why not bring Pan over?

[BernardoCairo]

Vegeeta clearly doesn't keep his mind calm when he's SSB. In fact, that's the opposite to his fighting style.

That's more of an anime thing than anything else. In his first appearance as Super Saiyajin Blue, even Vegeta was keeping his cool, and keep in mind that he was fighting Freeza.
And while the anime didn't do much with the concept of God Ki not leaking out, the manga actually built upon it with Perfected Super Saiyajin Blue.
Beast has nothing to gain from God Ki. Gohan draws his power from a fundamentally different place, and that's always been a part of his character.

He can take a vacation from work, and he doesn't need to be around Pan 24/7. It'd be no different from a work trip, and hell, why not bring Pan over?

For once, Pan has school and a life of her own. There's also Videl, Gohan's wife, and I can't really imagine him leaving her for weeks on end.
I don't think you understand how demanding Whis' training actually is. It takes a serious level of dedication. Vegeta had to put in twice the work just to keep up with Goku, and he already had a head start. Both of them spend more time on Beerus' planet than they do on Earth. We're talking months at a time.
I don't think you can just treat that kind of commitment as a work vacation or a holiday.

[Zebra]

That's more of an anime thing than anything else. In his first appearance as Super Saiyajin Blue, even Vegeta was keeping his cool, and keep in mind that he was fighting Freeza.
And while the anime didn't do much with the concept of God Ki not leaking out, the manga actually built upon it with Perfected Super Saiyajin Blue.
Beast has nothing to gain from God Ki. Gohan draws his power from a fundamentally different place, and that's always been a part of his character.

Absorbing God ki would boost his base/Ultimate, and make Beast stronger by extension.

For once, Pan has school and a life of her own. There's also Videl, Gohan's wife, and I can't really imagine him leaving her for weeks on end.

A few weeks is nothing.

I don't think you understand how demanding Whis' training actually is. It takes a serious level of dedication. Vegeta had to put in twice the work just to keep up with Goku, and he already had a head start. Both of them spend more time on Beerus' planet than they do on Earth. We're talking months at a time.

Gohan is a prodigy.

If he doesn't want to leave Earth, he can just do the ritual.

[super michael]

Super Saiyajin Blue is essentially an evolved form of Super Saiyajin God, as Beerus himself says in the manga.

Vegeeta clearly doesn't keep his mind calm when he's SSB. In fact, that's the opposite to his fighting style.

Would he really be willing to leave behind his work and studies, which he clearly enjoys, just to train on the other side of the universe, potentially for weeks at a time? And what about his family? Doesn't he want to spend as much time as possible with Pan now? Gohan has different priorities from Goku.

He can take a vacation from work, and he doesn't need to be around Pan 24/7. It'd be no different from a work trip, and hell, why not bring Pan over?

There is the ROSAT, Gohan can train with Goku and Vegeta inside that place. Then that way Gohan wouldn't miss anything with his family. One year in the ROSAT equals one day outside.

Pan can watch Gohan train, she clearly enjoys learning, training and fighting.

For once, Pan has school and a life of her own. There's also Videl, Gohan's wife, and I can't really imagine him leaving her for weeks on end.
I don't think you understand how demanding Whis' training actually is. It takes a serious level of dedication. Vegeta had to put in twice the work just to keep up with Goku, and he already had a head start. Both of them spend more time on Beerus' planet than they do on Earth. We're talking months at a time.
I don't think you can just treat that kind of commitment as a work vacation or a holiday.

Once Goku did the SSG Ritual, his SSJ1 form was way stronger than Vegeta. It is a miracle that Vegeta caught up to Goku in 6 months training with Whis. Whis has different level to his training.

Merus didn't mind training in a place like the ROSAT, why would Whis object to using the ROSAT? Does he know about the ROSAT on earth?