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[Scsigs]

So, can someone fact check me on this? I'm just making sure about these numbers on the timeskips from the original Dragon Ball.

3 years for Goku's offscreen adventures after he's done training with Roshi.
3 years when Goku trains with Kami.
5 years after Goku beats Piccolo Jr.
1 year after Goku dies fighting Raditz.
1 year after Goku beats Freeza & he gets back to Earth after training on Yardrat.
3 years after that before the Androids show up.
7 years after Cell's defeated.
10 years after the defeat of Buu, but before the epilogue of the manga & Z.

Do I have these right?

[super michael]

Yeah, I liked the toxic stuff, too. It's a good way to get around the typical "Who can fire off the strongest Kamehame-Ha" for fights. Tossing in another Evil Dragon that could fuck up the nervous system with electricity or whatever would have also been a good idea for a fight.

Against Haze Shenron it was thanks to Giru, Pan and Goku team work that beat him. It was cool seeing a battle that wasn't about overpowering their opponent. Both Goku and Pan used their ki attack to destroy their opponent.
There was Oceanus Shenron, if Pan didn't notice the tornado weakness, then Goku would have lost. Then Goku and Pan did their tag team Kamehameha.

Basically allowing Goku to defeat all of the Evil Dragons was definitely the worst part of the storyline, though. That mandate for Goku to always be in every episode just really hurts the storytelling.

Technically Goku defeated five Shadow Dragons alone. Two Shadow Dragon Dragon required team work to defeat them.
I don't know if to count Omega Shenron as tag team, since the others stalled for Goku to gather energy for his Genki Dama.

So, can someone fact check me on this? I'm just making sure about these numbers on the timeskips from the original Dragon Ball.

3 years for Goku's offscreen adventures after he's done training with Roshi.
3 years when Goku trains with Kami.
5 years after Goku beats Piccolo Jr.
1 year after Goku dies fighting Raditz.
1 year after Goku beats Freeza & he gets back to Earth after training on Yardrat.
3 years after that before the Androids show up.
7 years after Cell's defeated.
10 years after the defeat of Buu, but before the epilogue of the manga & Z.

Do I have these right?

There was a 1 month time skip before the 21st Martial Art Tournament, from when Goku and Kuririn managed to move the huge boulder. However I don't know the total amount of time Goku and Kuririn trained with Master Roshi in total.

[ABED]

I've been part of the Dragon Ball fandom online since AOL chatroom days. Finding out there are people that love the old dub is fascinating. That there are people who not just defend it but get prickly about it was not something I expected to encounter.

[Scsigs]

I've been part of the Dragon Ball fandom online since AOL chatroom days. Finding out there are people that love the old dub is fascinating. That there are people who not just defend it but get prickly about it was not something I expected to encounter.

Oh, trust me. You will find a LOT of adults who grew up with the old dubs who love the shit out of them for 1 reason or another. Like, I cannot imagine actually loving the DBZ dub. If you have nostalgia for it, that's fine, or if you like the Bruce Falconer team's music over Kikuchi's, that's subjective, but it is objectively NOT a superior dub to Kai's. Hell, even the video games made in the 2000s still had better dubs just by virtue of being better translated & localized from the Japanese scripts.

[ABED]

I've been part of the Dragon Ball fandom online since AOL chatroom days. Finding out there are people that love the old dub is fascinating. That there are people who not just defend it but get prickly about it was not something I expected to encounter.

Oh, trust me. You will find a LOT of adults who grew up with the old dubs who love the shit out of them for 1 reason or another. Like, I cannot imagine actually loving the DBZ dub. If you have nostalgia for it, that's fine, or if you like the Bruce Falconer team's music over Kikuchi's, that's subjective, but it is objectively NOT a superior dub to Kai's. Hell, even the video games made in the 2000s still had better dubs just by virtue of being better translated & localized from the Japanese scripts.

All true. The thing I did expect is someone to claim that we are exaggerating how different it is from the original. I and a few other people gave this person multiple examples and in effect they said "is that all you got?" and accused me and others of cherry picking and moving the goalposts. He had like 10 examples and his replies amounted to "I bet you can't come up with more". The more testy they got, the less interested I got in responding. I stopped after a few. It was just obnoxious. Only so many times you can see someone claim you are dropping context and cherry picking before you have to move on because you think "Mondo cool!" and Piccolo's "More like burnt toast" are stupid lines.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I've been part of the Dragon Ball fandom online since AOL chatroom days. Finding out there are people that love the old dub is fascinating. That there are people who not just defend it but get prickly about it was not something I expected to encounter.

I wish the Westwood dub got as much unironic love as the inhouse Funimation dub. Although neither dub is perfect or even a faithful representation of the Japanese version it baffles me a lot prefer the latter just because it has an uncut equivalent. The Ocean cast still largely outperform their Texas counterparts for the later Z portion just as they do for the earlier Saban stuff.

[ABED]

I don't know the reason for changing Lunch to Launch, nor do I know if it's intentional but in Far Out Space Nuts, the characters get blasted into space because they confuse the Launch button for the Lunch storage button. Did the people making the dub do it as an homage?

[Scsigs]

I wish the Westwood dub got as much unironic love as the inhouse Funimation dub. Although neither dub is perfect or even a faithful representation of the Japanese version it baffles me a lot prefer the latter just because it has an uncut equivalent. The Ocean cast still largely outperform their Texas counterparts for the later Z portion just as they do for the earlier Saban stuff.

Legit. Like, I'm not even attached to the Ocean cast & a lot of the clips I've seen of their work in the later half of the series show them acting circles around their Texas cast equivalents just by virtue of more voice acting experience & voice direction.

[DanielSSJ]

So, can someone fact check me on this? I'm just making sure about these numbers on the timeskips from the original Dragon Ball.

3 years for Goku's offscreen adventures after he's done training with Roshi.
3 years when Goku trains with Kami.
5 years after Goku beats Piccolo Jr.
1 year after Goku dies fighting Raditz.
1 year after Goku beats Freeza & he gets back to Earth after training on Yardrat.
3 years after that before the Androids show up.
7 years after Cell's defeated.
10 years after the defeat of Buu, but before the epilogue of the manga & Z.

Do I have these right?

I believe the timeskip between Goku defeating Freeza and Goku returning from Yardrat is about one and two thirds of a year.

[The Dark Knight]

So, can someone fact check me on this? I'm just making sure about these numbers on the timeskips from the original Dragon Ball.

3 years for Goku's offscreen adventures after he's done training with Roshi.
3 years when Goku trains with Kami.
5 years after Goku beats Piccolo Jr.
1 year after Goku dies fighting Raditz.
1 year after Goku beats Freeza & he gets back to Earth after training on Yardrat.
3 years after that before the Androids show up.
7 years after Cell's defeated.
10 years after the defeat of Buu, but before the epilogue of the manga & Z.

Do I have these right?

Pretty much, yes. You do have smaller time skips here and there, like the 10 days before the Cell games, the few months between Goku and Krilling training with Roshi and the start of the 21st Tournament, etc., but as far as major time jumps, this is indeed correct. This is honestly what I miss most in modern DB; everything feels like it takes place within a handful of months.

[Grimlock]

5 years after Goku beats Piccolo Jr.
1 year after Goku dies fighting Raditz.

The gap between those two fights are five years, not six.

1 year after Goku beats Freeza & he gets back to Earth after training on Yardrat.

No. Goku returned to Earth two years after his battle with Freeza, not one year.