Ki Torrent

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:20 pm

I have a few questions about ki and ki torrents:

First, when a character is charging up their ki and they have the rushing torrent of ki around them what is that? Is it the ki that they're gathering or is it ki that they already had that's multiplying.

Second, after said character has charged and ready for battle they typically have a ki aura surrounding them. Is this an excess or overflow of ki that is pouring out of them?

Third, when characters are preparing an attack such as when Goku uses Kaioken or when Gohan was charging his Kamehameha against Cell and they have a ki torrent rushing around them what is this, are they gathering more energy for the attack or is the ki a result of the power they're emitting from the attack?

Zuhalter2000 · Post by **Zuhalter2000** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:33 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:I have a few questions about ki and ki torrents:

First, when a character is charging up their ki and they have the rushing torrent of ki around them what is that? Is it the ki that they're gathering or is it ki that they already had that's multiplying.

Second, after said character has charged and ready for battle they typically have a ki aura surrounding them. Is this an excess or overflow of ki that is pouring out of them?

Third, when characters are preparing an attack such as when Goku uses Kaioken or when Gohan was charging his Kamehameha against Cell and they have a ki torrent rushing around them what is this, are they gathering more energy for the attack or is the ki a result of the power they're emitting from the attack?

Honestly I think its just flashing light and colors to look cool and keep attention.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:39 pm

Toriyama made Ki visible in Dragonball in order to make things more entertaining and easier to understand.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:22 pm

It's waste energy, same as revving up an engine produces noise and heat.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:34 pm

I always see it as the said character's aura expanding or shooting up, just like the character's increasing battle power. But can the aura be manipulated into a ki attack? Has that ever been done?

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:49 pm

Kendamu wrote:Toriyama made Ki visible in Dragonball in order to make things more entertaining and easier to understand.

I know that, but I just wanted to post it up here to hear all the more interesting explanations from you guys.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:53 pm

Pain wrote:But can the aura be manipulated into a ki attack? Has that ever been done?

Didn't Vegeta do that for his ultimate suicide against Buu?

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:21 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:
Pain wrote:But can the aura be manipulated into a ki attack? Has that ever been done?
Didn't Vegeta do that for his ultimate suicide against Buu?

Well that's self destruction. Son was gonna do the same with #17. He also tried it on Omega Shenlong, right?

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:33 pm

Pain wrote:Well that's self destruction. Son was gonna do the same with #17. He also tried it on Omega Shenlong, right?

What Goku attempted to do on Super 17 and "Omega" was a bit different from what Vegeta did. Vegeta, a small distance away from Buu, unleashed literally every trace of Ki he had in one massive explosion with a radical manipulation of his aura. What Goku did was more similar to Chaozu's suicide attack (on Nappa) in latching onto both GT enemies, except instead of exploding his own body, he seemed to be focusing his energy in a blunt force capacity that 17's shield protected them both from. Unlike Vegeta, Chaozu, and other cases like Ten and Roshi, Goku didn't draw all the way down into every bit of his life-energy to the point where he was drained to death, blown to smithereens, or converted into ashy-stone; hence my "blunt force" theory of his own suicide-attack attempt.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:05 pm

Pain wrote:But can the aura be manipulated into a ki attack? Has that ever been done?

I don't know about the visible aura, but I know that people like Goku has used the invisible ki that is on the outside of his body to block attacks. I assume that the ki on the outside of the body is the same or at least similar, so theoretically it could be done with the visible ki torrents as well.

Horgus · Post by **Horgus** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:10 am

I really liked the way they handled ki in the anime. It makes things more fun to watch.

I always understood that when a person's ki flares up when they attack, that they're using around the full potential of their power.

Like when Piccolo fought #17, he stayed at full power for nearly the full duration of the fight, burning through it quickly as he made several attempts to preemptively end things.

It gives extra visual effects which can really make otherwise boring scenes a great deal more interesting.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:04 pm

Pain wrote:But can the aura be manipulated into a ki attack? Has that ever been done?

I just remembered how in DBZ movie 8 Broly was constantly using a ki "force field" as an attack on the Z Shenshi. It seemed like he either formed his ki into a sort of circular field and rammed it into his opponents or he formed the circular field and approached the Senshi and then rapidly expanded his ki shield (like an explosion) and used it as an attack.

It seems a lot like when Jeice threw an energy attack at Goku on Namek and Goku deflected it without even moving and Jeice said that Goku blocked it using only ki.

So yes, ki can be manipulated into a shield-like wall and used to either block attacks or to be used as an attack.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:43 pm

Remember when False SSJ Son punched Slug in the face in "Dragon Ball Z: Super Saiyajin da Son Gokū"? I believe that some of his aura was left on Slug's face afterwards, right?. It was also left on his hand after being attacked. So what is that supposed to mean?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:52 pm

Pain wrote:Remember when False SSJ Son punched Slug in the face in "Dragon Ball Z: Super Saiyajin da Son Gokū"? I believe that some of his aura was left on Slug's face afterwards, right?. It was also left on his hand after being attacked. So what is that supposed to mean?

That he's a Super Saiyan.

Except he still has to use the fucking Spirit Bomb.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:54 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Pain wrote:Remember when False SSJ Son punched Slug in the face in "Dragon Ball Z: Super Saiyajin da Son Gokū"? I believe that some of his aura was left on Slug's face afterwards, right?. It was also left on his hand after being attacked. So what is that supposed to mean?
That he's a Super Saiyan.

Except he still has to use the fucking Spirit Bomb.

I meant why did the aura stick to Slug after being hit?

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:09 pm

Except he still has to use the fucking Spirit Bomb.

Didn't you know? It's a law of nature that the Spirit Bomb, a varriation of the Spirit Bomb, or something that at least vaguely resembles the Spirit Bomb must appear in every movie staring Goku after the first movie.

Movie 2: The Spirit Bomb
Movie 3: The Spirit Bomb
Movie 4: The Spirit Bomb
Movie 5: Cooler's Death Ball
Movie 6: The Little Yellow Ball™ Goku throws into Wire Cooler™
Movie 7: The Spirit Bomb
Movie 8: Everyone's Donated Energy Punch™
Movie 12: Gogeta's Spirit Flash Thingy
Movie 13: The Dragon Fist (AKA, the Golden Dragon Shaped Spirit Bomb™)

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:28 pm

Pain wrote:I meant why did the aura stick to Slug after being hit?

And I answered. Because he's supposed to be a Super Saiyan. So his aura's different.

Didn't you know? It's a law of nature that the Spirit Bomb, a varriation of the Spirit Bomb, or something that at least vaguely resembles the Spirit Bomb must appear in every movie staring Goku after the first movie.

I think that's stretching it to include Cooler's Death Ball. And maybe Gogeta's attack.

loney123 · Post by **loney123** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:42 pm

To be honest it's only done to look cool. The first time we see Gohan and Kuririn use it is when they're flying away from Dodoria, and at that point they had a power level of around 1,500. So you need a power of at least that to have that 'white aura' around yourself.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:15 pm

loney123 wrote:To be honest it's only done to look cool. The first time we see Gohan and Kuririn use it is when they're flying away from Dodoria, and at that point they had a power level of around 1,500. So you need a power of at least that to have that 'white aura' around yourself.

That's debatable because of the auras in Dragonball, but those weren't seen by normal people.

Once again, I know that the auras are there because they're visually pleasing, but I want to hear the more colorful explanations from the people like you.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:48 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:
loney123 wrote:To be honest it's only done to look cool. The first time we see Gohan and Kuririn use it is when they're flying away from Dodoria, and at that point they had a power level of around 1,500. So you need a power of at least that to have that 'white aura' around yourself.
That's debatable because of the auras in Dragonball, but those weren't seen by normal people.

Once again, I know that the auras are there because they're visually pleasing, but I want to hear the more colorful explanations from the people like you.

I think that anyone can see an aura, just like they see a Kamehameha. That's what I think.

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