artist needed for a dragonball fan manga I want to create

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:38 pm

I finally got those sketches up I mentioned a few posts back:

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/6468/scan0001oi7.jpg

I've been really busy, so I haven't been able to do much. Maybe I can do a few chapter covers?

I'm leaving tonight for my trip, so I'll be gone for a couple weeks. See ya when i get back!

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:47 pm

Big Momma wrote:I finally got those sketches up I mentioned a few posts back:

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/6468/scan0001oi7.jpg

Those are really good, I especially like the one on the top right section of the paper, it really looks like Goku. You've done a pretty good job at accurately drawing Goku's hair (especially for those pictures where he's moving) which is cool because I know that for a lot of people Goku's hair is the hardest part of him for them to draw.

Keep up the good work!

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:38 pm

Big Momma wrote:I finally got those sketches up I mentioned a few posts back:

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/6468/scan0001oi7.jpg

I've been really busy, so I haven't been able to do much. Maybe I can do a few chapter covers?

I'm leaving tonight for my trip, so I'll be gone for a couple weeks. See ya when i get back!

So does this mean that there will be two chapter cover guys? That sounds good. I like your drawings a lot.

LSSJ4 · Post by **LSSJ4** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:39 am

Pain wrote:
Big Momma wrote:I finally got those sketches up I mentioned a few posts back:

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/6468/scan0001oi7.jpg

I've been really busy, so I haven't been able to do much. Maybe I can do a few chapter covers?

I'm leaving tonight for my trip, so I'll be gone for a couple weeks. See ya when i get back!
So does this mean that there will be two chapter cover guys? That sounds good. I like your drawings a lot.

I agree. His sketches give Goku a lot of expression.

Tzigi · Post by **Tzigi** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:49 am

Hi! I'm new here, but I also would like to try it- some of my drawings:

Those were the ones I have currently on my computer. The last one is a fan character I once created. I have also some experience in drawing comics (so not only one drawing but also the whole idea of page layout etc).
And don't bite me for any mistakes- english isn't my first language.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:36 am

Here are some new-ish old-ish pics.

Joey Batz · Post by **Joey Batz** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:15 am

Alright, haven't replied in awhile. Been busy. There's this GT fan manga I've been working on......

Pain, Big Momma, and Tzigi, your artwork is great. Tzigi, I've already contacted you about doing chapters. Pain, I have no idea how many chapter cover people there will be (as leader of this project, I clearly have a firm handle on these things, don't I). I only think I need one. Frankly, I need more people doing the actual chapters themselves. I've got at least two people doing character designs, one or possibly two people doing covers, and only two people doing chapters. You're all doing good, but it's going pretty slow as a result (then again, I kind of expected it to).

As I said in my original post, anyone who is good at drawing Toriyama-style characters in different positions from different angles, creating scenery, and properly arranging images and captions into panels, your help here is greatly appreciated.

...........Anyone with a website who would like to put this project up on it (giving me and my artists credit, of course), your help, too, would be greatly appreciated.

Scarz · Post by **Scarz** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:33 am

Okay I'm going to be a big meanie here for a moment. I had this idea too, as well as many other DBZ fans. But after a few years I didn't want to bother "re-writing" the DB GT series because it was already made. Because you didn't like they way something came out you can't just remake it. Unless your the Marvel company and thought it would be a smashing idea to remake the Hulk.

Believe me I am by no means stating that your story is bad, in fact its everything GT should have been but personally I find it more interesting if someone continued the story after GT left off. Now thats a challenge! The last episode of GT was so baffling, it left more plot holes and questions then any other anime series I've ever saw. And I watched Berserk! Don't believe me? Lets recap:

-Goku leaves (again) with the eternal dragon and the dragonballs and dissapears into the sunset to place where no one can come between their love and live happily ever after or whatever. Quite frankly the Dragon was tired being used as a scape goat every time someone f**ks up and/or when ungreatfull humans are all dead.

-Skip a few generations later Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. (yeah really original, you gotta love GT writers) enters the World Martial Arts Tournament, no mention of any other relatives from either side of the Goku of Vegeta family tree. We must all assume they're dead even though Pan lived to be zillion. What the hell happen to them? You can't say they died of old age, if pan a mummified fossil that still breathes then every other Saiyans has to be alive too. But okay, I can by it, I guess.

-What happened to Goku? Is some sort god like figure now, like Jesus? He seems to arise from the dead as much as he does.

-Where's Goku Jr. parents? Why is he living with Grandma Pan, where they eaten by dinosaurs or something similarly stupid?

-What hell happened to Goku?! My god, the last episode was so poorly written you can almost imagine yourself sitting in the office as the writers scribble down some crap to meet a deadline.

And thats only a fraction of unanswered questions, it would take someone who is completely imaginative, creative, and insane to pick up this story where it left off. This why most DB AF fiction/Fan Manga fails. They either write what happens years before the final episode, or just ignore it entirely. We all wish GT was better, my God sometimes I wish I would wake up and Akira himself would tell me in broken English, it was all a bad dream. GT never happened. But it did.

Even though its been a little over decade since DB saga officially ended, I sometimes wonder what would happen if an animation company decides to continue the series (dear God no) they'll have to continue the story from the last episode anyway.

I know that would never happen but then again that's what they said about the Watchmen movie.

Joey Batz · Post by **Joey Batz** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:43 pm

Before I say anything, I just want to clarify that in my previous post, where I mentioned that progress was going slow, I was talking about the project being understaffed. I wasn't trying to badmouth the artists (if that wasn't already clear). Sorry guys.

Now Scarz, you big meanie, I see what you're saying, but I always thought the general plotline for GT was perfect continuation--and a PERFECT ending--for Dragon Ball. With the exception of Toyble's AF manga, I've never really had any interest in seeing the story continue. If fighting the Dragon Balls themselves isn't where you're going end the story, then where? No, I'd rather see the final story arcs (aka Dragon Ball GT) fixed than just adding more and more to it. Plus, if I just did a continuation of the series, then all the stuff that was glaringly wrong with GT would remain so. And that was my motivation for doing this. Instead of sitting here bitching about the show, I decided to go back and fix it, so to speak.

As for the ending itself, I think the writers were going for that weird vague open ended story telling that a lot of "real" animes use. And it worked, especially in the Japanese version. Apparently, it was written a lot better than the Funimation version.

I do plan on doing it a bit differently (less vagueness, for example). I think you'll like how it goes. I really wish I could say more, but I don't want to give EVERYTHING away. God, I so badly want to spoil everything for you guys, hell I'd even love to post part of my script, but I think it would kind of make reading the fan manga a little less exciting, and it would be disrespectful to my artists who are working hard to turn my poorly written script into a manga. On a lighter note, I just finished my first original chapter (meaning the first adventure of Goku that isn't an adaptation of an actual episode of GT). Big Momma, I stand by what I said before about the original adventures being much harder than the ones adapted from the anime.

And before anyone says anything about how he shouldn't call Toriyama by his first name, DON'T! I've seen threads turn into 15 straight pages of back and forth name calling because of something like this and I'd really REALLY appreciate it if you all didn't bring that shit here.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:02 am

I think I've FINALLY drawn the perfect chapter covers for chapters 1-3. They'll be up soon.

Cartman Blues · Post by **Cartman Blues** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:09 am

Scarz wrote:Okay I'm going to be a big meanie here for a moment. I had this idea too, as well as many other DBZ fans. But after a few years I didn't want to bother "re-writing" the DB GT series because it was already made. Because you didn't like they way something came out you can't just remake it. Unless your the Marvel company and thought it would be a smashing idea to remake the Hulk.

Believe me I am by no means stating that your story is bad, in fact its everything GT should have been but personally I find it more interesting if someone continued the story after GT left off. Now thats a challenge! The last episode of GT was so baffling, it left more plot holes and questions then any other anime series I've ever saw. And I watched Berserk! Don't believe me? Lets recap:

-Goku leaves (again) with the eternal dragon and the dragonballs and dissapears into the sunset to place where no one can come between their love and live happily ever after or whatever. Quite frankly the Dragon was tired being used as a scape goat every time someone f**ks up and/or when ungreatfull humans are all dead.

-Skip a few generations later Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. (yeah really original, you gotta love GT writers) enters the World Martial Arts Tournament, no mention of any other relatives from either side of the Goku of Vegeta family tree. We must all assume they're dead even though Pan lived to be zillion. What the hell happen to them? You can't say they died of old age, if pan a mummified fossil that still breathes then every other Saiyans has to be alive too. But okay, I can by it, I guess.

-What happened to Goku? Is some sort god like figure now, like Jesus? He seems to arise from the dead as much as he does.

-Where's Goku Jr. parents? Why is he living with Grandma Pan, where they eaten by dinosaurs or something similarly stupid?

-What hell happened to Goku?! My god, the last episode was so poorly written you can almost imagine yourself sitting in the office as the writers scribble down some crap to meet a deadline.

And thats only a fraction of unanswered questions, it would take someone who is completely imaginative, creative, and insane to pick up this story where it left off. This why most DB AF fiction/Fan Manga fails. They either write what happens years before the final episode, or just ignore it entirely. We all wish GT was better, my God sometimes I wish I would wake up and Akira himself would tell me in broken English, it was all a bad dream. GT never happened. But it did.

Even though its been a little over decade since DB saga officially ended, I sometimes wonder what would happen if an animation company decides to continue the series (dear God no) they'll have to continue the story from the last episode anyway.

I know that would never happen but then again that's what they said about the Watchmen movie.

Hey I'm making my own show called Dragon Ball C, but I leave the whole Goku thing unanswered until Season 1 Part 2. If you (and other people) wanna help me come up with a good way to continue with Goku, please don't hesitate to talk to me. I'll PM what I have so far. Oh and I would like to help with your fan comic, too, Joey Batz.

Joey Batz · Post by **Joey Batz** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:08 pm

Cartman Blues, are you skilled in Toriyama-style artwork? Can you arrange images into panels and draw characters in different positions and whatnot? Actually, the first thing I should have asked is how exactly you want to help out? Are you going to do chapters for me, because that's what I need more than anything else.

Pain, I'm looking forward to those chapter covers.

Cartman Blues · Post by **Cartman Blues** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:34 pm

Joey Batz wrote:Cartman Blues, are you skilled in Toriyama-style artwork? Can you arrange images into panels and draw characters in different positions and whatnot? Actually, the first thing I should have asked is how exactly you want to help out? Are you going to do chapters for me, because that's what I need more than anything else.

Pain, I'm looking forward to those chapter covers.

Been drawing DBZ since 2002. I need to brush up, but I can draw stuff. I can do covers, character designs/redesigns (If you tell me what it should look like), or anything else. The only thing I'm not that good at is sizing and arranging panels.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:52 pm

I don't see how you're possibly going to be able to get this project rolling.

The way you're doing it is going to be an organizational nightmare, you should be shooting for one artist, two tops, I hate to be negative, but you need to get an artist with a good grasp of anatomy and layout, no offense, but the majority of the art people have posted is nothing but character faces, and you've "hired" them assuming they are able to draw characters in different poses and angles, which I am yet to see.

Sorry if I sound like a jerk, but unless someone like dchan (I am in love with that Chrono Trigger picture) offers to draw the chapters themselves, I don't really see this going anywhere.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:04 am

Captain Awesome wrote:I don't see how you're possibly going to be able to get this project rolling.

The way you're doing it is going to be an organizational nightmare, you should be shooting for one artist, two tops, I hate to be negative, but you need to get an artist with a good grasp of anatomy and layout, no offense, but the majority of the art people have posted is nothing but character faces, and you've "hired" them assuming they are able to draw characters in different poses and angles, which I am yet to see.

Sorry if I sound like a jerk, but unless someone like dchan (I am in love with that Chrono Trigger picture) offers to draw the chapters themselves, I don't really see this going anywhere.

This isn't cool. You don't like too many things.

I just lost my motivation. So what is the next phase of this project, Joey? Are you gonna "fire" some of us? Or are we gonna have one artist to do the chapters and at least two to do the covers?

Joey Batz · Post by **Joey Batz** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:08 am

Well Captain Awesome does bring up good points, and yes this IS an organizational nightmare. I'd be lying if I were to say this is something I'm good at or experienced in. How many artists are going to do how many assignments? I don't know. I'm playing this by ear and it's too early to say how well this is going. I have Dchan doing a couple of character designs (I think he mentioned that he wasn't onboard for doing chapters), and Kid Trunks and Tzigi have elected to do chapters (and Tzigi has already attempted to send me the pages he has completed, but mediafire.com is apparently an evil bastard), so technically the project is, in fact, rolling. We'll see how this plays out. If an artist isn't doing good enough work, yes I can "fire" him and get another artist to do the job. And yes, as time goes on, I can scale down my "staff" until I get to how many I need and whatnot. I guess I'm giving everybody a trial by fire. Not the best of ideas, I know. Right now, as I said, I'm trying to get people in on it. Since I don't exactly run an official animation studio, any individual artist will only be reliable to a point before life gets in the way and he can no longer work on the project (or is no longer interested in doing it). So I'm trying to build a base so I never have absolutely no one working on anything.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:43 am

May I suggest that people submit an actual manga-like page? No dialogue, but showing that they can draw consistently in different poses in the restricted space of a panel.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:54 am

Rocketman wrote:May I suggest that people submit an actual manga-like page? No dialogue, but showing that they can draw consistently in different poses in the restricted space of a panel.

This is exactly what I mean, drawing a face on its own doesn't really tell Joey much about your skills, drawing a simple three to four panel strip would suffice, playing with some dynamic poses and angles.

Pain wrote: This isn't cool. You don't like too many things

I didn't mean to offend, it's just that comics happen to be a passion of mine, and studying Graphic Design for a few years leaves you a little jaded.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:26 am

Captain Awesome wrote:
Rocketman wrote:May I suggest that people submit an actual manga-like page? No dialogue, but showing that they can draw consistently in different poses in the restricted space of a panel.
This is exactly what I mean, drawing a face on its own doesn't really tell Joey much about your skills, drawing a simple three to four panel strip would suffice, playing with some dynamic poses and angles.

Pain wrote: This isn't cool. You don't like too many things
I didn't mean to offend, it's just that comics happen to be a passion of mine, and studying Graphic Design for a few years leaves you a little jaded.

Graphic Design??? You studied it?

Tzigi · Post by **Tzigi** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:11 am

They're not actual manga pages (had no time to arrange them) but scanned redrawns of screenshots from the anime (that's what I thought I'm supposed to do). When I'll get enough time to put them together (and when i finally ink them- as you see only the first 4 ones are inked- the rest is in pencil) I'll resize them and make the horizon everywhere as horizontal as it should be. I'm open to any constructive criticism.

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