For those who like the original better...

SaiyaMel · Post by **SaiyaMel** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:18 am

Right now, I'm more pissed off with how those "remastered orange bricks" were made, than any dub...

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:22 am

SSJ2bardock wrote:Well I'm glad to see that there's so much Schemmel praise.

Same here.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:13 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Chrono Trigger wrote:Goku transforming into a Super Saiyan ... moment that Funimation has disgraced and will never be comparable to the Japanese version.
Aight, I'm gonna ask. How so?

I actually found that to be one of the more decent scenes in the dub. After all the crap that we had to endure at the start of season 3, I have to admit that Funi actually handled it quite well in comparison to the Kamehameha dump and mondo cool scenes.

I always thought the moment FUNi disgraced was seeing Burter and Jeice rushing towards Goku with Faulconer's bad music playing.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:38 pm

Have to say with that scene I liked it more in the dub due to Mr. Schemmel sounding more pissed after changing.

On terms of music, in my oinion there are a few moments where one version's music ups the other and vice-versa. Not too surprising as that's what happened in TF Galaxy Force and Street Fighter II: the Animated Movie.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 4:42 am

I think I finally understand, at least somewhat, why the fans of the Japanese version don't like the dub. I was watching Yu Yu Hakusho a while back ( the dub ) and I thought to myself, "Hey what the hell, I might as well watch the whole series from start to finish", and I did. So I watched every episode and became partial to Chuck Huber's monotonous Hiei and Justin Cook's brash and cocky Yusuke voices as well as the rest of the cast. So, I finished up the anime and went on to the movies, but much to my dismay I found out that the movies were dubbed by different actors. I tried to tell myself that it was going to be ok and I started watching the first movie. Less than a minute into the movie I had to stop watching it, I couldn't go on with the total trash that was in front of me. The first thing that came to mind was, "That isn't Yusuke, somebody please tell me that's not Yusuke!". So that is how I can connect the way fans of the original Japanese feel about the dub with my own personal experiences. To quote Captain Awesome, watching that Yu Yu Hakusho movie "kills my soul".

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:08 am

SSJ2bardock wrote:To quote Captain Awesome, watching that Yu Yu Hakusho movie "kills my soul".

You have no idea how happy it makes me when people do that.

A lot of people seem to interpret dislike for the FUNimation dub as nothing but fanboy elitism, but if you've grown attached to the original Japanese cast, chances are you'll find the dub almost unwatchable, just because of how different they are.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:01 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:I think I finally understand, at least somewhat, why the fans of the Japanese version don't like the dub. I was watching Yu Yu Hakusho a while back ( the dub ) and I thought to myself, "Hey what the hell, I might as well watch the whole series from start to finish", and I did. So I watched every episode and became partial to Chuck Huber's monotonous Hiei and Justin Cook's brash and cocky Yusuke voices as well as the rest of the cast. So, I finished up the anime and went on to the movies, but much to my dismay I found out that the movies were dubbed by different actors. I tried to tell myself that it was going to be ok and I started watching the first movie. Less than a minute into the movie I had to stop watching it, I couldn't go on with the total trash that was in front of me. The first thing that came to mind was, "That isn't Yusuke, somebody please tell me that's not Yusuke!". So that is how I can connect the way fans of the original Japanese feel about the dub with my own personal experiences. To quote Captain Awesome, watching that Yu Yu Hakusho movie "kills my soul".

That's why I couldn't watch Samurai X: the Motion Picture, or Truth and Betrayal. Not Richard Cansino's Kenshin, and not used to it. Tried looking at the Motion Picture for a little, but got turned off by deep voiced-Yahiko and "Sa-no-soo-kay".

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:15 pm

Super Sonic wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:I think I finally understand, at least somewhat, why the fans of the Japanese version don't like the dub. I was watching Yu Yu Hakusho a while back ( the dub ) and I thought to myself, "Hey what the hell, I might as well watch the whole series from start to finish", and I did. So I watched every episode and became partial to Chuck Huber's monotonous Hiei and Justin Cook's brash and cocky Yusuke voices as well as the rest of the cast. So, I finished up the anime and went on to the movies, but much to my dismay I found out that the movies were dubbed by different actors. I tried to tell myself that it was going to be ok and I started watching the first movie. Less than a minute into the movie I had to stop watching it, I couldn't go on with the total trash that was in front of me. The first thing that came to mind was, "That isn't Yusuke, somebody please tell me that's not Yusuke!". So that is how I can connect the way fans of the original Japanese feel about the dub with my own personal experiences. To quote Captain Awesome, watching that Yu Yu Hakusho movie "kills my soul".
That's why I couldn't watch Samuarai X: the Motion Picture, or Truth and Betrayal. Not Richard Cansino's Kenshin, and not used to it. Tried looking at the Motion Picture for a little, but got turned off by deep voiced-Yahiko and "Sa-no-soo-kay".

That's why I watched those two things subbed because I knew the dub casts wasn't the same as the TV series dub casts. However I disagree about the YYH movies. I don't think that the YYH movies were dubbed poorly at all. Ya see, the only reasons I ever hear about CPM's cast "sucking" in those movies was that they aren't Funi's cast, and that isn't a good enough reason. Their performances are good and their knowledge and respect of the material is great. Saying, "They aren't Funimation", and then disowning it just plain doesn't cut it here since they actually did try and it shows. The Rurouni Kenshin OVAs and Movie were legitimately dubbed bad though but the YYH movies weren't. Also it should be noted that technically, in both cases, those casts were the original dub casts since those things were licensed before the TV series.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 4:09 pm

Super Sonic wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:I think I finally understand, at least somewhat, why the fans of the Japanese version don't like the dub. I was watching Yu Yu Hakusho a while back ( the dub ) and I thought to myself, "Hey what the hell, I might as well watch the whole series from start to finish", and I did. So I watched every episode and became partial to Chuck Huber's monotonous Hiei and Justin Cook's brash and cocky Yusuke voices as well as the rest of the cast. So, I finished up the anime and went on to the movies, but much to my dismay I found out that the movies were dubbed by different actors. I tried to tell myself that it was going to be ok and I started watching the first movie. Less than a minute into the movie I had to stop watching it, I couldn't go on with the total trash that was in front of me. The first thing that came to mind was, "That isn't Yusuke, somebody please tell me that's not Yusuke!". So that is how I can connect the way fans of the original Japanese feel about the dub with my own personal experiences. To quote Captain Awesome, watching that Yu Yu Hakusho movie "kills my soul".
That's why I couldn't watch Samurai X: the Motion Picture, or Truth and Betrayal. Not Richard Cansino's Kenshin, and not used to it. Tried looking at the Motion Picture for a little, but got turned off by deep voiced-Yahiko and "Sa-no-soo-kay".

I actually didn't have a problem watching the two OVA's because the animation style was different so it came as much less of a shock when the voices were different as well. However, the "motion picture" I just could not watch for the same reasons that I could not watch the Yu Yu Hakusho movie. Then again, Yu Yu Hakusho and Rurouni Kenshin are two of my favorite animes so these were special cases where I felt more detached from something that I had previously been so close to. It was like meeting an old friend that you hadn't seen in years, but when you meet they were completely different from how you remembered them. Thank Toei and Funimation for going the extra mile and not throwing together a cheap imitation for the Dragonball movies.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:46 pm

The only things that really bother me about the dub are the music and the inaccurate script. Besides that I don't really mind the dub at all. I grew up with it and it will always be the version of DBZ that I'll remember first, but the original won't be that far behind at all.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:54 am

I haven't watched the YYH movies or the end-of-series Kenshin movie, but I'm really hoping no one is calling "Trust and Betrayal" a cheap production because that OAV is my favorite thing about Kenshin and it's gorgeous < <

Unless you're talking about the dub, because I've never even watched that and have no idea what it's like.

And the comments describing voicecast changes? I know that feeling. Even as bad as the script is in the Ocean dub, it's what I grew up with and fell in love with- so when less skilled people came on and suddenly sounded completely different, even if they have improved with time... I just can't listen to that dub. I get weird about nostalgia.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:15 am

Super Sonic wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:I think I finally understand, at least somewhat, why the fans of the Japanese version don't like the dub. I was watching Yu Yu Hakusho a while back ( the dub ) and I thought to myself, "Hey what the hell, I might as well watch the whole series from start to finish", and I did. So I watched every episode and became partial to Chuck Huber's monotonous Hiei and Justin Cook's brash and cocky Yusuke voices as well as the rest of the cast. So, I finished up the anime and went on to the movies, but much to my dismay I found out that the movies were dubbed by different actors. I tried to tell myself that it was going to be ok and I started watching the first movie. Less than a minute into the movie I had to stop watching it, I couldn't go on with the total trash that was in front of me. The first thing that came to mind was, "That isn't Yusuke, somebody please tell me that's not Yusuke!". So that is how I can connect the way fans of the original Japanese feel about the dub with my own personal experiences. To quote Captain Awesome, watching that Yu Yu Hakusho movie "kills my soul".
That's why I couldn't watch Samurai X: the Motion Picture, or Truth and Betrayal. Not Richard Cansino's Kenshin, and not used to it. Tried looking at the Motion Picture for a little, but got turned off by deep voiced-Yahiko and "Sa-no-soo-kay".

"Sa-no-soo-kay" is still a running gag amongst my friends and I even today!

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:32 am

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:14 pm

Velasa wrote:I haven't watched the YYH movies or the end-of-series Kenshin movie, but I'm really hoping no one is calling "Trust and Betrayal" a cheap production because that OAV is my favorite thing about Kenshin and it's gorgeous < <

I thought the OVA was good but I thought the manga version of those events were much better. Hell the manga for whatever wasn't animated was better than the crap we got.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:22 pm

Is exactly why I always said if I ever got super rich, one of the two anime-related things I'd do was have a new Kenshin series made for the Jinchuu arc.

Back to DB, I will say while the original is better at times, I can still enjoy the dub. Kind of how some shows like Speed, Racer, Voltron, and Superbook's dubs aren't so great by todays standards, but still enjoyable. True the former two did better than the original Japanese versions and no one wants to see the latter in Japanese, but my point stands.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:24 pm

Vekurotto wrote:
Velasa wrote:I haven't watched the YYH movies or the end-of-series Kenshin movie, but I'm really hoping no one is calling "Trust and Betrayal" a cheap production because that OAV is my favorite thing about Kenshin and it's gorgeous < <
I thought the OVA was good but I thought the manga version of those events were much better. Hell the manga for whatever wasn't animated was better than the crap we got.

The endings are different because the anime caught up to the manga while it was still being written, so they had to give us that shit ending instead of the Jinchuu arc.

kusakun004 · Post by **kusakun004** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:40 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:I think I finally understand, at least somewhat, why the fans of the Japanese version don't like the dub. I was watching Yu Yu Hakusho a while back ( the dub ) and I thought to myself, "Hey what the hell, I might as well watch the whole series from start to finish", and I did. So I watched every episode and became partial to Chuck Huber's monotonous Hiei and Justin Cook's brash and cocky Yusuke voices as well as the rest of the cast. So, I finished up the anime and went on to the movies, but much to my dismay I found out that the movies were dubbed by different actors. I tried to tell myself that it was going to be ok and I started watching the first movie. Less than a minute into the movie I had to stop watching it, I couldn't go on with the total trash that was in front of me. The first thing that came to mind was, "That isn't Yusuke, somebody please tell me that's not Yusuke!". So that is how I can connect the way fans of the original Japanese feel about the dub with my own personal experiences. To quote Captain Awesome, watching that Yu Yu Hakusho movie "kills my soul".

I felt that the voices in the first movie were really bad. I got used to the second movie's voices a few minutes in, but for the first movie I kept thinking of how bad the voices are and that FUNi really needs to get the license for this movie. Also, are the rumors true about FUNi getting the rights to the second YYH movie?

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:30 pm

kusakun004 wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:I think I finally understand, at least somewhat, why the fans of the Japanese version don't like the dub. I was watching Yu Yu Hakusho a while back ( the dub ) and I thought to myself, "Hey what the hell, I might as well watch the whole series from start to finish", and I did. So I watched every episode and became partial to Chuck Huber's monotonous Hiei and Justin Cook's brash and cocky Yusuke voices as well as the rest of the cast. So, I finished up the anime and went on to the movies, but much to my dismay I found out that the movies were dubbed by different actors. I tried to tell myself that it was going to be ok and I started watching the first movie. Less than a minute into the movie I had to stop watching it, I couldn't go on with the total trash that was in front of me. The first thing that came to mind was, "That isn't Yusuke, somebody please tell me that's not Yusuke!". So that is how I can connect the way fans of the original Japanese feel about the dub with my own personal experiences. To quote Captain Awesome, watching that Yu Yu Hakusho movie "kills my soul".
I felt that the voices in the first movie were really bad. I got used to the second movie's voices a few minutes in, but for the first movie I kept thinking of how bad the voices are and that FUNi really needs to get the license for this movie. Also, are the rumors true about FUNi getting the rights to the second YYH movie?

Has Funi even made a move towards getting the rights?

Joey Batz · Post by **Joey Batz** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:00 am

Which one is the second YYH movie anyway? Is that the one where they fight Yakumo, King of the Netherworld? I have that movie in Japanese and even though I hate the Japanese voices, I still think it was a great movie.

YYH (Funimation dubbed) is my favorite anime by far. And Dragon Ball/Z is my favorite manga by far.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:06 am

For me it was the Faulconer music, and really cheezy dub lines that made it just too unbearable to watch anymore.

I can watch some of the dub, just nothing earlier than the Buu saga.