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Some questions

Post by *PINHEAD* » Mon Aug 02, 2004 4:48 pm

I don't know if these have been asked before, but I haven't seen any topics lately about these...

1. How come Son Goku's body was reunited with him in the afterlife after he died the first time. Isn't death when your soul leaves your body? Isn't reuniting your body with your soul being brought back to life? The other Z Senshi didn't need to have their bodies brought with them, like when Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chaouzu were training with Kaiou-sama.

2. Where did the Nyoi Bo go? I see it connecting Karin Tower with Kami's lookout thing during the Cell story arc, but I don't see it during the Majin Boo story arc. This was probably just for artistic reasons, but the last cover page for Dragon Ball showed a picture of Goku holding it. Did he get it back or something?

3. Back in volume 2, Kame Sennin told Goku Kinto-un was a gift from Kami-sama. Goku said something like "Wow, Kami-sama" and he said it in the Kanji, Kami Sama, as if he knew what he was talking about. Then later, in volume 14, he didn't know who this "kami sama" was, and said it in katakana, as if it were a strange word. Is this just some inconsistency?

4. Seeing that Cell gets the powers of whoever he absorbs, and how Androids 17 and 18 were cyborgs with an infinite engine, would Cell have an infinite supply of energy also? And how come he didn't absorb someone like Vegeta or Trunks, who became even more powerful than 17 or 18.

5. What exactly happened to Ginyu? Was he killed when he was a frog? Was he transported to Earth with the third Namekian Dragon Ball wish?

6. Where did Pilaf, Mai, and Soba go after Piccolo Daimaou dumped them off? I know he reappears in GT, but in the manga, is he ever shown again? And as for Tsuru Sennin and Tao Pai Pai, where did they go after Tenshinhan beat him at the 23rd Tenka-ichi Budoukai?

Thanks in advance if you answer these.
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Post by B-kun » Mon Aug 02, 2004 5:37 pm

1. Kami-sama apparently arranged to have Goku taken to the afterlife, body and all. Piccolo mentioned it when Kuririn freaked out.

2. Plothole.

3. See above. Either that or Goku's memory sucks.

4. Absorbing them would take the fun out of life. Don't forget he wanted to fight worthy opponents.

5.In the anime, he was shown on Earth as one of the survivors. He was most likely killed when Buu destroyed Earth, though, if not before. In the manga, he was forgotten about after he was put in his frog body.

6. Not known. They faded out of Toriyama's memory.

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Re: Some questions

Post by SaiyaJedi » Mon Aug 02, 2004 7:30 pm

1. Kami-sama did it. Presumably, he also did so for Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Chiao-tzu, and Yamcha when they died (he probably got to keep his body, too, since he was the God of Earth).

2. Technically, it's still bridging the gap between the top of Karin Tower and the bottom of the Temple of Heaven, although nobody uses it anymore. When Toriyama draws it in non-story images (or when it appears in movies or TV filler), it's just because he (and the animators) can do whatever he wants, not because Goku actually has it.

3. There are several possibilities: either Toriyama meant it in the general sense of "a gift from the Gods" (since he hadn't thought about the idea of the Dragon World actually having its own, single God just yet), or he simply forgot about it. Or... perhaps Kame-Sen'nin, having never met Kami himself, thought that Karin was a god? We may never know for sure.

4. He was designed to absorb #17 and #18 to reach his Complete (or Perfect) form. He only absorbed people for energy early on, and that was before he faced either Vegeta or Trunks. Combine that with his sincere belief that he is superior anyhow, and I don't think he would really have needed, or wanted, to absorb anyone else.

5. The anime implies that he was transported to earth, but as far as I know, the manga doesn't make it clear. It really relies on whether Porunga thought of his frog-form as a "person" or not. You decide.

6. Who knows? Maybe they got a life and moved on. You don't have to stay a supervillain forever, y'know. :P Besides, they were probably all killed (and stayed dead) when Buu destroyed the Earth, but that's another story entirely.
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Post by Dayspring » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:42 pm

Concerning #4, wasn't their infinite energy battery thingies the reason Cell needed to absorb the cyborgs?
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Post by Jerseymilk » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:50 pm

Yes, I think I remember reading or hearing that too.
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Post by *PINHEAD* » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:55 pm

Before I thought the computer sort of programmed Cell as the perfect warrior to despose of 17 and 18 because they were rebellious against Gero. I guess the infinite energy was just a plus.
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Re: Some questions

Post by Dai » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:22 pm

SaiyaJedi wrote:1. Kami-sama did it. Presumably, he also did so for Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Chiao-tzu, and Yamcha when they died (he probably got to keep his body, too, since he was the God of Earth).
Ah, but Goku's body disappeared from the mortal realm when he died. Presumably this was because it was brought with him. However, the same thing did not happen to anyone in the battle with Nappa. Their bodies were simply left there, but they got to keep them in the after life, nonetheless.
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Re: Some questions

Post by SaiyaJedi » Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:37 pm

Dai wrote:Ah, but Goku's body disappeared from the mortal realm when he died. Presumably this was because it was brought with him. However, the same thing did not happen to anyone in the battle with Nappa. Their bodies were simply left there, but they got to keep them in the after life, nonetheless.
So, maybe they got new ones? Chiao-tzu would've had to, and Tenshinhan got his arm back, so it seems like a possibility to me. On the other hand, maybe Kami was just busy with the whole dying thing at first and had to wait a day or two. That'd be my guess, anyway.
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Post by Dai » Tue Aug 03, 2004 11:30 am

Didn't Piccolo's body remain there too? While Kami faded away, similar to Goku? That was pretty much a fluke. Anyway, I also think their friends would've noticed the bodies disappearing. Besides that, Goku didn't have a huge, gaping hole in his body when in the afterlife, did he? Then why is it suggested he simply took it with him?

I'd say we're simply dealing with a bit of plotholing, here. It's about the only logical explanation I can think of.
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Post by Super Sonic » Tue Aug 03, 2004 12:34 pm

I remember sending an "Ask Vegetto EX" about that. Like I once said, that was one moment where the censoring of season 1 made sense with Piccolo and Tien's bodies fading away and Yamcha looking like he got blown to bits.

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Post by Adamant » Wed Aug 04, 2004 7:34 am

Dai wrote:Didn't Piccolo's body remain there too? While Kami faded away, similar to Goku? That was pretty much a fluke. Anyway, I also think their friends would've noticed the bodies disappearing. Besides that, Goku didn't have a huge, gaping hole in his body when in the afterlife, did he? Then why is it suggested he simply took it with him?

I'd say we're simply dealing with a bit of plotholing, here. It's about the only logical explanation I can think of.
Well.. God IS God after all, it makes sense for him to automatically keep his body in the afterlife. And yes, he (or Enma, or someone) probably sent the other guys' bodies to the afterlife when God decided to let them train under Kaiou.

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