Is this a plothole?

SonEric84 · Post by **SonEric84** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:45 pm

Anyone can easily enjoy Dragon Ball without picking apart the scientific aspects of it.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:48 pm

Yeah, totally. That's why fan fics and such exist.

goodguy777 · Post by **goodguy777** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:53 pm

SonEric84 wrote:Anyone can easily enjoy Dragon Ball without picking apart the scientific aspects of it.

My point is they will not understand the story.

Dragon Ball has plot and stories unlike bugs bunny or tom and jerry.

Bugs bunny or tom and jerry is more easier to enjoy for any ages and condition.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:55 pm

goodguy777 wrote:
SonEric84 wrote:Anyone can easily enjoy Dragon Ball without picking apart the scientific aspects of it.
My point is they will not understand the story.

Dragon Ball has plot and stories unlike bugs bunny or tom and jerry.

Bugs bunny or tom and jerry is more easier to enjoy for any ages and condition.

Dragonball is serious business guys, this isn't a kids cartoon or anything. You need a college degree to understand the first 13 episodes alone.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:57 pm

I don't see it, I think you could have zero knowledge of science and still enjoy Dragonball. The science in the series never goes anywhere past where the average person's knowledge is.

SonEric84 · Post by **SonEric84** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:58 pm

goodguy777 wrote:
SonEric84 wrote:Anyone can easily enjoy Dragon Ball without picking apart the scientific aspects of it.
My point is they will not understand the story.

Dragon Ball has plot and stories unlike bugs bunny or tom and jerry.

Bugs bunny or tom and jerry is more easier to enjoy for any ages and condition.

Honestly, I don't agree with that at all. Yes, it is more complex than other cartoons, but not to the point where you won't understand it at all. Perfect example being my little sister watched Dragon Ball with me before she was even in kindergarten.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:59 pm

goodguy777 wrote:
SonEric84 wrote:Anyone can easily enjoy Dragon Ball without picking apart the scientific aspects of it.
My point is they will not understand the story.

Dragon Ball has plot and stories unlike bugs bunny or tom and jerry.

Bugs bunny or tom and jerry is more easier to enjoy for any ages and condition.

Why do you format your posts all weird? And Tom and Jerry did have a plot. Dragonball has a plot, it is just criticized for not having enough drama and too much action.

goodguy777 · Post by **goodguy777** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:02 am

SSJ2bardock wrote:I don't see it, I think you could have zero knowledge of science and still enjoy Dragonball. The science in the series never goes anywhere past where the average person's knowledge is.

It's about understanding the story not enjoyment.

SonEric84 wrote:
goodguy777 wrote:
SonEric84 wrote:Anyone can easily enjoy Dragon Ball without picking apart the scientific aspects of it.
My point is they will not understand the story.

Dragon Ball has plot and stories unlike bugs bunny or tom and jerry.

Bugs bunny or tom and jerry is more easier to enjoy for any ages and condition.

Honestly, I don't agree with that at all. Yes, it is more complex than other cartoons, but not to the point where you won't understand it at all. Perfect example being my little sister watched Dragon Ball with me before she was even in kindergarten.

The point is your little sister knows a little basic science unlike the beggar in my country.

How will you understand the creation of Cell if you didn't know anything about biology?

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:06 am

goodguy777 wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:I don't see it, I think you could have zero knowledge of science and still enjoy Dragonball. The science in the series never goes anywhere past where the average person's knowledge is.
It's about understanding the story not enjoyment.

Then what's the point of watching something if you don't enjoy it, I'm not following where your taking this at all.

-edit- The part about not understanding Cell is pretty simple, here's a dumbed down version for someone who doesn't know science; Cell was made by an evil doctor and he knows how to use other characters powers, you don't need to know anything deeper than that.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:06 am

goodguy777 wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:I don't see it, I think you could have zero knowledge of science and still enjoy Dragonball. The science in the series never goes anywhere past where the average person's knowledge is.
It's about understanding the story not enjoyment.

SonEric84 wrote:
goodguy777 wrote: My point is they will not understand the story.

Dragon Ball has plot and stories unlike bugs bunny or tom and jerry.

Bugs bunny or tom and jerry is more easier to enjoy for any ages and condition.

Honestly, I don't agree with that at all. Yes, it is more complex than other cartoons, but not to the point where you won't understand it at all. Perfect example being my little sister watched Dragon Ball with me before she was even in kindergarten.
The point is your little sister knows a little basic science unlike the beggar in my country.

How will you understand the creation of Cell if you didn't know anything about biology?

Now you're sounding a little bastard-ish. Why are we even arguing about this? You made the thread, so you need to have some form of civility when asking other members questions, right? I don't mean to offend. I just wanna get my opinion known.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:08 am

goodguy777 wrote:Dragon Ball has plot and stories unlike Bugs Bunny or Tom and Jerry.

And walking, talking animal-people.

And magical glass balls that you gather to summon a genie-dragon with.

And a squat, maniacal little blue troll dressed like a clown who wants to rule the world.

And space aliens who can all fly and blow things up with blasts from their hands, and some can even stop time by holding their breath or switch bodies with people.

And a giant bug-creature who gets stronger by sucking people up with his tail.

And a special dance that can combine two people together, and a pair of magical earrings that can do the same.

And a big, pink, demon made out of bubblegum who changes shape by eating people.

And the entire mortal universe and afterlife are all contained within a gigantic, spherical glass fishbowl.

DragonBall is primarily a fantasy/action comic. Any and all "science" within it is purely secondary, and most of it is absurd or contrived. We've got capsules that can apparently shrink and contain things like vehicles or houses, without changing their own weight. We've got spaceships that can traverse across entire galaxies in a matter of days. We've got time machines. We've got make-believe biology where you can patch together a horrific monster capable of destroying the planet from a few scattered DNA samples.

It's a fantasy comic, tried-and-true. Trying to seriously introduce and abide by any real-world science within it is only asking for trouble, and a bigger headache than any of it is worth.

Don't make me drag out the old catgirls .gif, people. I'd rather not.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:15 am

SonEric84 wrote:Anyone can easily enjoy Dragon Ball without picking apart the scientific aspects of it.

Yeah. You don't need any of the science stuff to understand or enjoy Dragonball. The science stuff just makes for some interesting trivia if your curious about all that.

goodguy777 · Post by **goodguy777** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:17 am

SSJ2bardock wrote:
goodguy777 wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:I don't see it, I think you could have zero knowledge of science and still enjoy Dragonball. The science in the series never goes anywhere past where the average person's knowledge is.
It's about understanding the story not enjoyment.
Then what's the point of watching something if you don't enjoy it, I'm not following where your taking this at all.

Story is part of the enjoyment, you should understand it too.

SSJ2bardock wrote:-edit- The part about not understanding Cell is pretty simple, here's a dumbed down version for someone who doesn't know science; Cell was made by an evil doctor and he knows how to use other characters powers, you don't need to know anything deeper than that.

I said HOW?.

Pain wrote:
goodguy777 wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:I don't see it, I think you could have zero knowledge of science and still enjoy Dragonball. The science in the series never goes anywhere past where the average person's knowledge is.
It's about understanding the story not enjoyment.

SonEric84 wrote:
Honestly, I don't agree with that at all. Yes, it is more complex than other cartoons, but not to the point where you won't understand it at all. Perfect example being my little sister watched Dragon Ball with me before she was even in kindergarten.
The point is your little sister knows a little basic science unlike the beggar in my country.

How will you understand the creation of Cell if you didn't know anything about biology?
Now you're sounding a little bastard-ish. Why are we even arguing about this? You made the thread, so you need to have some form of civility when asking other members questions, right? I don't mean to offend. I just wanna get my opinion known.

Sorry I didn't mean to, I'm just trying to make an example.

SSj Kaboom wrote:
goodguy777 wrote:Dragon Ball has plot and stories unlike Bugs Bunny or Tom and Jerry.
And walking, talking animal-people.

And magical glass balls that you gather to summon a genie-dragon with.

And a squat, maniacal little blue troll dressed like a clown who wants to rule the world.

And space aliens who can all fly and blow things up with blasts from their hands, and some can even stop time by holding their breath or switch bodies with people.

And a giant bug-creature who gets stronger by sucking people up with his tail.

And a special dance that can combine two people together, and a pair of magical earrings that can do the same.

And a big, pink, demon made out of bubblegum who changes shape by eating people.

And the entire mortal universe and afterlife are all contained within a gigantic, spherical glass fishbowl.

It's a type of races and worlds not genre of the manga.

SSj Kaboom wrote:DragonBall is primarily a fantasy/action comic. Any and all "science" within it is purely secondary, and most of it is absurd or contrived. We've got capsules that can apparently shrink and contain things like vehicles or houses, without changing their own weight. We've got spaceships that can traverse across entire galaxies in a matter of days. We've got time machines. We've got make-believe biology where you can patch together a horrific monster capable of destroying the planet from a few scattered DNA samples.

It's a fantasy comic, tried-and-true. Trying to seriously introduce and abide by any real-world science within it is only asking for trouble, and a bigger headache than any of it is worth.

Don't make me drag out the old catgirls .gif, people. I'd rather not.

Genre of Dragon Ball:

Gag = Simple comedy(slight nudity or toilet humor), unlike the comedy of tom and jerry of Bugs Bunny(tom survives a nuclear bomb, it's a comedy).

Martial Arts = Action and tournament.

Adventure = Different places and enemies.

Mystical = Wish from the dragon, water that can make you strong, sorcery, demon, nyoibo, Goku's cloud, gods, senzu beans and after-life.

Science-Fiction = Robots, genetic engineering of cells, aliens from another planet, hoipoi capsules, fying cars and motors, spaceship that can travel from galaxy to galaxy, time machine, mutants and advance architectural design.

According to genre of Dragon Ball, science is not purely secondary but main.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:18 am

Pain wrote:Why do you format your posts all weird? And Tom and Jerry did have a plot. Dragonball has a plot, it is just criticized for not having enough drama and too much action.

Actually, I think it's criticized for having too little action or drama and too much "everybody stands around doing nothing". I could put a DVD in and hit play, then drive to McDonald's, eat three cheeseburgers and a malt, drive to the mall, buy a copy of Playboy, crack one off in the restroom, get kicked out of the mall, drive to Wal-Mart, buy a copy of Tenkaichi 3 and Budokai 3 and a new memory card, drive home, 100% both games, drive back to Wal-Mart and return them, wreck my car driving home and die in a fiery explosion and Goku will still be staring into Freeza's eyes.

I guess they make out or something eventually, MAYBE AFTER THE SUN BURNS OUT.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:19 am

Rocketman wrote:
Pain wrote:Why do you format your posts all weird? And Tom and Jerry did have a plot. Dragonball has a plot, it is just criticized for not having enough drama and too much action.
Actually, I think it's criticized for having too little action or drama and too much "everybody stands around doing nothing". I could put a DVD in and hit play, then drive to McDonald's, eat three cheeseburgers and a malt, drive to the mall, buy a copy of Playboy, crack one off in the restroom, get kicked out of the mall, drive to Wal-Mart, buy a copy of Tenkaichi 3 and Budokai 3 and a new memory card, drive home, 100% both games, drive back to Wal-Mart and return them, wreck my car driving home and die in a fiery explosion and Goku will still be staring into Freeza's eyes.

I guess they make out or something eventually, MAYBE AFTER THE SUN BURNS OUT.

Perfect Example.

goodguy777 · Post by **goodguy777** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:23 am

Pain wrote:
goodguy777 wrote:
SonEric84 wrote:Anyone can easily enjoy Dragon Ball without picking apart the scientific aspects of it.
My point is they will not understand the story.

Dragon Ball has plot and stories unlike bugs bunny or tom and jerry.

Bugs bunny or tom and jerry is more easier to enjoy for any ages and condition.
Why do you format your posts all weird? And Tom and Jerry did have a plot. Dragonball has a plot, it is just criticized for not having enough drama and too much action.

Plot of Tom and jerry means nothing to the story. Old episode of tom and jerry has nothing to do with the new episodes.

Kid Trunks wrote:
SonEric84 wrote:Anyone can easily enjoy Dragon Ball without picking apart the scientific aspects of it.
Yeah. You don't need any of the science stuff to understand or enjoy Dragonball. The science stuff just makes for some interesting trivia if your curious about all that.

How will you understand Goku's travel to planet Namek if you didn't know anything about spaceship, planet and galaxy?

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:23 am

goodguy777 wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:-edit- The part about not understanding Cell is pretty simple, here's a dumbed down version for someone who doesn't know science; Cell was made by an evil doctor and he knows how to use other characters powers, you don't need to know anything deeper than that.
I said HOW?.

I just did, I gave you a way to explain the supposedly so biologically complexe character of Cell to somebody who doesn't know much about science.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:24 am

How will we understand? Well...they explain(the characters) it within the series. Damn, I'm smart. I just solved your problem.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:27 am

Rocketman wrote:Actually, I think it's criticized for having too little action or drama and too much "everybody stands around doing nothing". I could put a DVD in and hit play, then drive to McDonald's, eat three cheeseburgers and a malt, drive to the mall, buy a copy of Playboy, crack one off in the restroom, get kicked out of the mall, drive to Wal-Mart, buy a copy of Tenkaichi 3 and Budokai 3 and a new memory card, drive home, 100% both games, drive back to Wal-Mart and return them, wreck my car driving home and die in a fiery explosion and Goku will still be staring into Freeza's eyes.

I guess they make out or something eventually, MAYBE AFTER THE SUN BURNS OUT.

I just don't get it. I don't feel like the stare-offs drag out at all. The only thing that annoys me is the filler at Capsule Corp between the stare-offs.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:29 am

Let's try this again.

Star Trek is a science fiction series. DragonBall is not.

In Star Trek, science is the primary focus of the series. In just about every episode, they have to do something fancy with the ship's technology, like recalibrate the deflector dish or hit something with an inverse tachyon beam or fix the sonic showers again because they're misaligned and making horrific, high-pitched-to-the-point-of-inaudible screeching noises that are giving everyone migraines. Science is the focus of that series.

In DragonBall, people have large-scale martial-arts battles. Every so often, somebody will have used a spaceship to get to where the battle is happening, or one of the combatants will be a scary monster who was grown in a tube. Science is NOT the primary focus of DragonBall.