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Post by ssjpilafreich » Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:45 am

Rocketman wrote:AF, AF, AF (includes any Dragonball continuation letters). Can no-one think of a story that doesn't involve

-An old enemy/relative of an old enemy returning.
-A new Super Saiyan level.
-Everyone worthless except Goku?

Goddammit, people, you make GT look good.

Also, fics that spring a non-canon pairing on you. I was reading one once with great grammar and spelling, good fight scenes, a reasonable storyline, then BAM Goku/Vegeta buttsex.

Another one is anything using random Japanese.

That Goku/Vegeta one... was it by any chance called "Chains of Affection"?
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Post by Big Momma » Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:59 am

Goku the Abortionist wrote: One Goku first day of work he waited for his first pacient to arrive.

Just then a pregnant teenage girl came in

"Hello, anyone here?" She asked

"I'm here," Goku said

"Oh great I need this kid out of me," The girl said

"Out?" Goku said confussed

"Yes out I want you to get it out of me," the girl said

Goku pondered how he would accomplish this strange task. The it hit him

"Okay this may hurt just a tiny bit" Goku said

"Whatever," The girl said

"UNBORN CHILD MEET DRAGON FIST!!" Goku said as he did his super
dragon first attack and blew a hole in the girls belly

"Oh my gosh," the girl said now in excuciating pain "Do you even have a P.H.D?"

"A Punching Hole Doctorate?" Goku said

The girl fell down and died

"Oops," Goku said as he quickly ran out of the clinic
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Post by Rocketman » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:09 pm

ssjpilafreich wrote:That Goku/Vegeta one... was it by any chance called "Chains of Affection"?
I don't know, this incident was years ago.

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Post by Fossilgojir » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:49 pm

NO YOU FABRIC!!!

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Post by Adamant » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:34 pm

Rocketman wrote:Because Goku and Vegeta's characters are nigh incompatible with romance. Goku's damn near asexual and Vegeta's idea of romance is "not banging you over the corpses of your family that he's killed".
From what Bardock shows us in his special, the entire Saiyan idea of romance seems to be "impregnate female-type people to expand empire".

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Post by Castor Troy » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:39 am

I think I've read tons of really graphic and detailed stories about Goten's conception back when I used to accept fan fiction on Vegeta Insane.

One funny story I remember was Yamcha trying to hit on Chi Chi and Goku catching them in the act.

Ever since then, I've avoided fan fiction in general.

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Post by Saiyagirl228 » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:59 pm

I've read that one story about Vegeta going insane after Bulma's death. But I think the only one worse than that (that I've read anyway) is one where Chi Chi had an affair with Yamcha, and Goku found out. Krillin killed Yamcha and made it look like an accident, then he and Goku murder Chi Chi then just walk away with a smile.

Talk about out of character.... Since then, I don't read fanfics anymore.

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Post by Musume » Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:00 am

Pretty much any series crossover fanfic, ever. Yes, you like both Ranma 1/2 and DBZ. Good for you. No, Ranma isn't going to study under Goku and achieve SSJ. Just... No.

Original characters are usually a red flag, especially if they're Saiyan (or partly Saiyan). The only tolerable DBZ Mary Sue fanfic I've ever read was The Last Warrior. It was palatable for a few reasons, perhaps the foremost being that it was a continuation of Mirai Trunks's timeline and had an interesting premise that involved contact with an alternate universe/timeline where Goku remained Kakarrot and served under Vegeta, creating a world as hellish as Trunks's own had been with the androids at large (albeit in a different fashion). If Ko Shiatar (the Mary Sue, a half-Saiyan female resistance fighter) had been written out and Trunks had stepped up to Save The World instead, it would've been pretty damn amazing.

Lemons and slash, especially if they're out of character or feature pairings that would never happen. Piccolo/anyone, to start with. They're especially repugnant if they feature original characters.

"Zany" stories that are just fluff and try (and fail) to be funny are usually bad. For example, Vegeta becoming a kindergarten teacher out of nowhere. I do have to admit though, I thought the "what if every character's biological sex was flipped?" hook/angle was pretty funny when writers were thorough (i.e., changing Bulma's name to Boxers, finding a way make Kuririn look feminine without being unrecognizable, etc).

Vejiitasei Ascendant, which I've linked in another thread, is one of the best -- if not THE best -- fanfics ever written for DBZ. It's well written, has a pretty compelling premise, and focuses on Vegeta and Bulma (but doesn't leave Goku and Gohan out).

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Post by Velasa » Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:43 am

Musume wrote:Lemons and slash, especially if they're out of character or feature pairings that would never happen. Piccolo/anyone, to start with.
> > Dude, you're killing me here. :shock:

(Ok, I know you were being serious. I just had to say something stupid because it's practically in my contract at this point)

Seriously though- IC is what matters the most to me. if someone works their ass off and takes a lot of time to build to a point, they can get pretty much anywhere. PWP is idiotic from any kind of a literary standpoint (though that isn't really their point), but you can have a damn good story that has a sexual scene in it as part of the character/plot development. Of course, as stated, the author has to work their ass off- and most people are far too lazy and just go for the "Really? Dude, I was in love with you the whole time too!" angle.
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Post by johnboy1 » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:34 am

I'm in the process of writing an intentionally bad crossover fic, and I'm drawing from a lot of the things that I hate about fanfiction in general, but there's some for the DB fan as well. The most obvious of these is the Gary-Stu Saiyan protagonist (although I'm toning down some of his "perfectness" to make the story good enough that the reader won't immediately close the document, since you'll be seeing a LOT of him). Then... well, I don't feel like typing it all out again, so here's what I posted on another forum:

"So I was frequenting the Star Wars board on GameFAQs when a joke topic came up about bringing all the characters from both trilogies together for Episode 7, 8, and 9 through several ridiculous plot devices. To continue the joke, I posted the following:


'I've got a better idea: Sauron crosses the dimensional barrier and teams up with Sidious and Voldemort. Meanwhile Agent Smith hijacks a spaceship and spreads his copies across the universe. In order to stop these deadly menaces, Harry Potter and his friends must learn martial arts and the chi manipulation from the cast of Dragon Ball Z. After digging up and magically repairing the Power Coins, Harry, Hermione, Ginny, Ron, and Draco become the next generation of Power Rangers. In the climax of the story, Sauron recruits the Heartless and send them to destroy Disney Castle while Sidious leads a droid attack on Coruscant. Voldemort grows to gigantic size and fights the Megazord while Zion's operators desperately search for Smith's kill code. The Z Fighters launch an attack on Sauron's stronghold in an attempt to cut off his bid for power at the source.

That's it. I have just summarized the perfect fanfic. I'll be holed up in my room typing for the next few months if anyone needs me.'


Then, the more I thought about it, the more I liked the idea. Obviously, no one could ever take a plot like this seriously (or at least I couldn't), so the thought came to me: why not make a fanfic that's basically one big, veiled meta-reference to the clichés fanfiction writers usually doll out? Like Scream, but for fanfiction instead of slasher films: a fic that exists simply for people to read and laugh at, but makes few overt jokes about its nature and instead takes itself far too seriously. It will be well-written (grammar- and spelling-wise, I mean), with characters from a myriad of franchises thrown together in a plot that, while plausible within it's own system of physics, would seem completely over-the-top in terms of storytelling merit. I came up with a list of the big clichés that I wanted to include, and posted this to GameFAQs:


'The most obvious of these clichés will be the crossover, which will be more horrifically bloated than any serious attempt that has ever been made (except, perhaps, for the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen; that comic is ****ing insane). After that, we'll have the bad-guy-that-turns-good-simply-because-the-author-doesn't-want-to-kill-him, which will come in two varieties: the sincere-change-of-heart in the form of Draco Malfoy, whose romantic feelings for Hermione Granger will come to light when he discovers his father sealed them in a pensieve for "his own good" (consequently offering a nice helping of teenage angst), and the badass-who's-only-doing-this-because-his-life-is-on-the-line in the form of Agent Smith, who is forced to help our heroes when they discover his killcode and threaten him continuously with it, not unlike a dog with a shock collar.

We then have the contrived circumstances for our heroes to jump through hoops in order to learn skills they quite honestly would never need, this being the Hogwarts kids receiving physical training from the Z Fighters when magic would serve them perfectly well against any opponent... except the one they happen to be facing (Sauron, whom I will retcon as the undisputed master of all forms of magic; although I claim justification from the fact that one of his numerous nicknames translates as The Wizard). We'll have the washed-up villain who always comes back purely to annoy the heroes and is never a real threat in the form of Voldemort, who more or less withers in the company of the considerably more badass Sidious and Sauron. The running gag with this is that Sauron will continually resurrect Voldemort using necromancy simply so he can see how he'll screw it up next time. This actually stems from my own frustration with the character as written by Rowling, who seems incapable of doing anything right despite monumental advantages (i.e., teenage opponents, a cult of thousands of bloodthirsty wizards who hang on his every word, and control of pretty much the entire British Isles by the time Deathly Hallows comes around). He's like the slightly more sophisticated version of Team Rocket. So... a Bond villain, essentially, but minus the scantily-clad women (except for Bellatrix, rowr). [Hindsight Note: I realize that I overstate Voldemort's incompetence by a wide margin. Part of this is due to comedic hyperbole, the other due to the fact that I despise any and all protagonists under the age of 21 and fail to see why the most powerful Dark Wizard of all time could possibly have any trouble hunting down and killing a bunch of kids when he knows where they live.]


Then we have the obligatory aging of the characters over the course of the story to give the illusion of character development (i.e., the fact that they are older implies that they are wiser, without the author having to provide evidence to support such a conclusion). They will essentially act the same as they did when they were 15 even though the characters may be 30+ and have children of their own. This will be more or less personified in the character of Pansy Parkinson, who, feeling cheated when Draco and Hermione got all friendly-like (and when he unceremoniously drops her like a diseased fish), will go on an adolescent spree of revenge during the entire narrative (Hell hath no fury, etc.). The vendetta grows more and more obsessive to the point that, by the end of her character arc, her inability to move on ceases to become amusing and jumps into the realm of genuinely disturbing, even to the other villains.

Then, we get to the mother of all fanfiction clichés. The mere mention of it's name strikes fear into the hearts of readers everywhere. It is: THE MARY SUE!!!! *lightning strike, blood-curdling scream, etc.* But not just any Mary Sue, it's an ANTI-SUE! And not just any anti-Sue, it's an ANTI-SUE TRYING TO BE A MARY SUE! A character with genuinely good intentions, but several personality flaws, kind of like... a realistic character. Wait a minute. I did something wrong. I'll get back to you on this one.'


I'm in the process of ironing out a plot to fit these tropes together in a cohesive manner. If anyone is finished, I'll post an summary once I'm satisfied with it. Just thought I'd share this potential project with everyone."

Since then, I have ironed out said plot, and will post it if anyone wants to see where I'm going with this.
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Post by Musume » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:45 am

you can have a damn good story that has a sexual scene in it as part of the character/plot development.
There's a difference between a story that has some sexual content in it and a story that's pretty much only about the sexual content. I dislike the latter, particularly if the series doesn't lend itself to it (or was aimed at adolescents, like Pokemon or Harry Potter). I'm not saying that it can't be good, it's just that it's so hard to do well that I generally avoid reading them because they're usually irritating at best (the whole "Saiyan bonding" fanon) and nauseating at worst (Vegeta acting grossly out of character, an original character that latches onto Trunks who falls head over heels for her, etc).

One of the better lemony fics I read featured Vegeta and Bulma during the years leading preceding the androids. Their relationshop was obliquely referenced in the actual manga, which is a big plus. It was also largely from Bulma's point of view. Bulma's a bit of a horn dog and she was the initiator, so it seemed to fit her character. It also didn't completely demonize Yamcha, which is another huge plus. A lot of Vegeta/Bulma fics stop just short of making Yamcha physically abusive, which I find very disappointing and lazy on the part of the fanfic authors.

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Post by ssjpilafreich » Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:50 pm

I saw a bad one. Trunks and Vegeta yaoi. The reason was apparently the moon makes Saiyans horny.
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Post by Velasa » Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:09 pm

Musume, that's why I drew distinctions between lemons (sex scene in a story) and PWP (sex with no story/Plot, what plot?).

And though I have no interest in reading V/B I'll give kudos to those authors who can manage to do a gettogether without falling automatically back to bashing the ex.

I'm so tempted right now to go into a long explenation of why Voldermort wasn't able to kill the children and exactly where/with who they were hiding each year, but that's way off topic. *coughOrderofthePhoenixcough*
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Post by Musume » Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:54 pm

Musume, that's why I drew distinctions between lemons (sex scene in a story) and PWP (sex with no story/Plot, what plot?).
We agree with each other, I think, but our terms are different. XD

Lemon = a story, usually a one-shot, that deals with sex; may have an exposition, character development, and related themes (i.e., romance, angst)
PWP = a story, always a one-shot, that deals with sex and nothing else

I'd argue that all PWPs are lemons, but not all lemons are PWPs.
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Post by The Time Traveller » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:39 pm

Pure Gold!
And some of the comments...

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The Time Traveller wrote:expotemkin
What does the scouter say about Hitler's power level!?
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IT'S OVER NEIN THOUSAND!!!
"Nein" means "no" in German.

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Post by The Time Traveller » Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:12 pm

Rocketman wrote:
The Time Traveller wrote:expotemkin
What does the scouter say about Hitler's power level!?
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IT'S OVER NEIN THOUSAND!!!
"Nein" means "no" in German.

*slow clap*
It's pronounced the same as Nine though. Super funny.

Also, I took German for 4 years.

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Post by Xyex » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:22 pm

Musume wrote:
Musume, that's why I drew distinctions between lemons (sex scene in a story) and PWP (sex with no story/Plot, what plot?).
We agree with each other, I think, but our terms are different. XD

Lemon = a story, usually a one-shot, that deals with sex; may have an exposition, character development, and related themes (i.e., romance, angst)
PWP = a story, always a one-shot, that deals with sex and nothing else

I'd argue that all PWPs are lemons, but not all lemons are PWPs.
Lemon = All sex fics.
PWP = "Porn without plot" IE, nothing but sex~

It's that old square/rectangle thing. All PWPs are Lemons but not all Lemons are PWPs.
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Post by saiyanprincess » Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:56 pm

You can get a borderline lemon called a Lime...

Lemon is basically a very graphical passage or story, wheras lime can be when a story is following the lines of a lemon but is not so explicit. I.E a very passionate kissing scene could be considered lime, wheras as soon as the panties comes into the picture it is really a lemon :P

I confess I don't mind Yamcha bashing, It does get to me when he is really out of character! I think the most annoying part about fanfictions is when authors start really good stories, tease you with the plot and then just stop.
It's mean! 8)

As I've said earlier... The worst has got to be Vegeta/Pann and a new one that I did not think anybody would dare approach Vegeta/Trunks! Euch!
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