Live Action Movie Thread

[Kaboom]

Apart from Tenshinhan, are you really putting Kuririn on the same level as those characters? Seriously?

Not really, even if most of them were "important" to the early story. I'm just saying, there's a LOT of characters not being included. The major, continuously important ones like Kuririn will be included eventually. It's a matter of patience.

[Pain]

Comparing characters....sounds like this'll be the topic for the next 10 pages.

[omegacwa]

If I am not mistaken wasn't "Weaver" only on set for like 3 days. That means he is probably in the movie for like 5 minutes tops. And by best friend, he might just be some kid who is friendly to Goku, and then bye bye Sequel time here comes Krillin WABAAM.

Ok, Maybe not, but I am pretty sure Weaver's role will be insignificant.

And that Hitler Video even had me laughing and I am one of the people trying to keep people positive about this movie.

[Pain]

A while back they said that Weaver's role would impact the sequel.

[omegacwa]

I don't think so, I think they said that the guy playing Weaver wanted to be in the sequel.

Well, whatever, who knows, I know I don't. I won't have an opinion until the credits roll. As of right now i am trying to stay positive and hope for the best. You never know it might actually be pretty good. I just don't like how so many people aren't even giving the movie a chance just by seeing a couple of pictures.

[Bardock the Mexican]

A while back they said that Weaver's role would impact the sequel.

I am going to say that despite not wanting to add to the negativity of the new movie, I don't like this idea very much. The idea of a sequel means that there will not just be one potential messup, but TWO messups. Maybe I am being overdramatic and worry too much while bringing only negativity to the table here. I don't know what is going to happen in the future, but the way things are looking it seems not good. I still hope that maybe there is a chance that this movie can be saved from itself. All of our hopes now rest on two of the most unlikely of actors: Chatwin and Marsters. Can they do it right or will this suffer the indignity of the last live action movie? To be brought out only at drinking parties and given as gag gifts to the unsuspecting?

[Pain]

I don't think so, I think they said that the guy playing Weaver wanted to be in the sequel.

Well, whatever, who knows, I know I don't. I won't have an opinion until the credits roll. As of right now i am trying to stay positive and hope for the best. You never know it might actually be pretty good. I just don't like how so many people aren't even giving the movie a chance just by seeing a couple of pictures.

I agree 100%. I just don't see why people are bashing it so much.

[Tsukento]

Not really, even if most of them were "important" to the early story. I'm just saying, there's a LOT of characters not being included. The major, continuously important ones like Kuririn will be included eventually. It's a matter of patience.

It's also a matter of if this movie actually does well. Otherwise, you're left with another cliffhanger ending trying to suggest a sequel will happen, like the Super Mario Bros. and Street Fighter movies did.

Also, it isn't so much that the pictures alone are putting me off. It's the matter of how incredibly different this movie is from Dragon Ball. The target audience is supposed to be those who are fans of the series and barely anything in this mess resembles Dragon Ball in the slightest bit.

There's far too many story changes and character screw ups that make this thing seem exactly like movies based off of video games.

[Kaboom]

There's far too many story changes and character screw ups that make this thing seem exactly like movies based off of video games.

Not liking the altered character designs I can understand, but I don't get what problem there is with the story.

[Remix]

I don't think so, I think they said that the guy playing Weaver wanted to be in the sequel.

Well, whatever, who knows, I know I don't. I won't have an opinion until the credits roll. As of right now i am trying to stay positive and hope for the best. You never know it might actually be pretty good. I just don't like how so many people aren't even giving the movie a chance just by seeing a couple of pictures.

I agree 100%. I just don't see why people are bashing it so much.

Well, my optimism for the movie has just about run out. It got way more than it deserved to begin with. I'm not even going to wait for the credits to give my opinion. You don't need to smell shit to know that it stinks.

The trailer will be the end of the line. We'll see once and for all.

[Pain]

There's far too many story changes and character screw ups that make this thing seem exactly like movies based off of video games.

Not liking the altered character designs I can understand, but I don't get what problem there is with the story.

Because people like the impossible. If they want a realistic Dragonball movie with a green Piccolo Daimao and everyone else, they can hit up the guys that did Advent Children.

[Tsukento]

Oi. Did you guys completely miss my post before?

-Goku doesn't have a tail. So Goku does not transform and Grandpa Gohan does not get killed by a rampaging giant ape.

-Goku is a generic blue-eyed, black (crazy styled) hair teen in high school. His naive nature seems non-existent, so no thinking his grandfather's Dragon Ball is actually him. Goku is also apparently the same age as Bulma and Yamcha.

-Pilaf and Shuu are non-existent, thus changing Piccolo's method of tracking the Dragon Balls as they had built the giant radar for him along with Mai. Also, without Pilaf, Piccolo's freedom from his "prison" may be the cause of something else.

-Kuririn is no where to be found. Thus resulting in Goku having to go fight Piccolo for another reason. The cause is likely the death of Gohan.

-Tenshinhan is also missing, thus severely altering the final conflict between Goku and Piccolo as Ten was used as a hostage, thus allowing Piccolo to batter and smash up Goku's body. Chaozu is missing, as well.

-Yajirobe and Karin are no where to be seen, thus eliminating Goku's several defeats during the arc and requiring him to take his training a step further and consuming special water to increase his powers to defeat Piccolo.

-None of Piccolo's spawn seem to be acknowledged. No Tambourine means no Kuririn death. No Kuririn means Goku's motive for revenge has to be changed. This also means Piccolo's fear of any martial artists learning the Mafuba technique is non-existent since he has no need to create spawns to take out any martial artist.

-Piccolo's strength appears to be toned down severely as he wants the Dragon Balls for global domination. A great contradiction compared to the original form, as he clearly says he can conquer the world once he has his youth restored. This suggests Piccolo will not be old at first appearance in the movie. It also suggests that Piccolo has to rely on the Dragon Balls to do something his original character could do on his own. No wish for youth will be made by Piccolo.

-If Piccolo is not the one to summon Shenlong, then Shenlong does not die. Thus destroying the hopelessness caused during the arc when Kuririn, Roshi, Chaozu and several innocent people and martial artists were likely never to come back to life due to the destruction of Shenlong. Because Kuririn, Chaozu and the martial artists don't exist in the movie, this whole thing does not exist in the movie.

-Master Mutaito is a black man in the movie. ...Do I have to explain how vastly different the actor is from the character?

-Tsuru-sennin is no where to be heard from, either. Thus resulting in no Tenshinhan or Chaozu. Nor much of the backstory involving Roshi and Tsuru trying to take on Piccolo and then splitting ways before Mutaito sealed Piccolo away with the Mafuba.

-Because of Goku's age in the movie, if a sequel were indeed to be made, the storyline involving Goku's training to fighting Piccolo Jr. would be altered. This also panders to the typical generic, almost-18 teenagers being super heroes, as opposed to about a mere kid stopping a demonic being.

-Quite possibly one of the biggest changes is Piccolo's backstory. Confirmed by James Marsters, Piccolo was once good but ended up being sent to prison after having a bad argument. Piccolo becomes angry and breaks free to take over the world. This means Piccolo is not the result of Kami trying to rid himself of his evil side to become a "God", as well as changes the fact that Piccolo was always trying to conquer the world for his pure pleasure and not for revenge. This in turn completely changes how the Dragon Balls came to be.

[Musume]

Apart from Tenshinhan, are you really putting Kuririn on the same level as those characters? Seriously?

Not really, even if most of them were "important" to the early story. I'm just saying, there's a LOT of characters not being included. The major, continuously important ones like Kuririn will be included eventually. It's a matter of patience.

They were important to their particular story arcs, and rarely appeared again after that point, except as cameos (or to grease the narrative wheel, like Baba bringing Goku and Vegeta back in the Buu arc). They were the kind of characters that could have been glossed over or omitted without changing the feel of Dragonball too much, especially since they decided to start with the Piccolo arc (since all of those minor characters appeared prior to that).

Kuririn is definitely not one of the two-bit or cameo characters. He plays a pretty major role in every story arc up until the Buu saga, which is about the point where he's settled down with his family and given up fighting. The fact that they're leaving him out and creating another character to take his place/fill his role as Goku's foil strikes me as either astonishingly arrogant or extremely short-sighted. This might be the only shot at Dragonball they'll ever get. There's no guarantee there will be sequels.

James Wong should create his own damn story if he thinks he's as good a writer as Akira Toriyama, not rewrite someone else's and slap the title of the series on it. VERY few people would watch this movie because they're a fan of James Wong; on the other hand, many would watch it because they're fans of Akira Toriyama, and that's exactly why he should have stuck more closely to the original. Akira Toriyama may not have been a very serious or even technically accurate writer, but his work has a lot of charm and emotional depth to it.

His #1 priority should have been adapting the story faithfully within the constraints of the budget and deadline. I'm not opposed to any and all changes, like I've said earlier (for example, I couldn't care less that the Dragonballs look different).

Making pretty drastic changes to the setting and to the characters without an extremely compelling reason, because it suits his tastes or he assumes that American audiences want it, is just... well, I'm not even sure what the word is. Disrespectful, maybe. Or disappointing.

[Pain]

Oi. Did you guys completely miss my post before?

-Goku doesn't have a tail. So Goku does not transform and Grandpa Gohan does not get killed by a rampaging giant ape.

-Goku is a generic blue-eyed, black (crazy styled) hair teen in high school. His naive nature seems non-existent, so no thinking his grandfather's Dragon Ball is actually him. Goku is also apparently the same age as Bulma and Yamcha.

-Pilaf and Shuu are non-existent, thus changing Piccolo's method of tracking the Dragon Balls as they had built the giant radar for him along with Mai. Also, without Pilaf, Piccolo's freedom from his "prison" may be the cause of something else.

-Kuririn is no where to be found. Thus resulting in Goku having to go fight Piccolo for another reason. The cause is likely the death of Gohan.

-Tenshinhan is also missing, thus severely altering the final conflict between Goku and Piccolo as Ten was used as a hostage, thus allowing Piccolo to batter and smash up Goku's body. Chaozu is missing, as well.

-Yajirobe and Karin are no where to be seen, thus eliminating Goku's several defeats during the arc and requiring him to take his training a step further and consuming special water to increase his powers to defeat Piccolo.

-None of Piccolo's spawn seem to be acknowledged. No Tambourine means no Kuririn death. No Kuririn means Goku's motive for revenge has to be changed. This also means Piccolo's fear of any martial artists learning the Mafuba technique is non-existent since he has no need to create spawns to take out any martial artist.

-Piccolo's strength appears to be toned down severely as he wants the Dragon Balls for global domination. A great contradiction compared to the original form, as he clearly says he can conquer the world once he has his youth restored. This suggests Piccolo will not be old at first appearance in the movie. It also suggests that Piccolo has to rely on the Dragon Balls to do something his original character could do on his own. No wish for youth will be made by Piccolo.

-If Piccolo is not the one to summon Shenlong, then Shenlong does not die. Thus destroying the hopelessness caused during the arc when Kuririn, Roshi, Chaozu and several innocent people and martial artists were likely never to come back to life due to the destruction of Shenlong. Because Kuririn, Chaozu and the martial artists don't exist in the movie, this whole thing does not exist in the movie.

-Master Mutaito is a black man in the movie. ...Do I have to explain how vastly different the actor is from the character?

-Tsuru-sennin is no where to be heard from, either. Thus resulting in no Tenshinhan or Chaozu. Nor much of the backstory involving Roshi and Tsuru trying to take on Piccolo and then splitting ways before Mutaito sealed Piccolo away with the Mafuba.

-Because of Goku's age in the movie, if a sequel were indeed to be made, the storyline involving Goku's training to fighting Piccolo Jr. would be altered. This also panders to the typical generic, almost-18 teenagers being super heroes, as opposed to about a mere kid stopping a demonic being.

-Quite possibly one of the biggest changes is Piccolo's backstory. Confirmed by James Marsters, Piccolo was once good but ended up being sent to prison after having a bad argument. Piccolo becomes angry and breaks free to take over the world. This means Piccolo is not the result of Kami trying to rid himself of his evil side to become a "God", as well as changes the fact that Piccolo was always trying to conquer the world for his pure pleasure and not for revenge. This in turn completely changes how the Dragon Balls came to be.

Oh boy....

That was a long list.

[SSj_Rambo]

I just noiced that in this screenshot there seems to be some sort of kanji written on the walls. Can anyone give us any sort of translation?

Just one more year and I can get into my high school's Japanese class. *sighs*

[SSJ2bardock]

At least your lucky enough to have a Japanese class at your school, all we have is Spanish, French, and German.

Like I'm ever gonna need Spanish

[Bardock the Mexican]

At least your lucky enough to have a Japanese class at your school, all we have is Spanish, French, and German.

Like I'm ever gonna need Spanish

Hablame y mirar a mi cara cabrón. ¿Porque no español usarás?

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

At least your lucky enough to have a Japanese class at your school, all we have is Spanish, French, and German.

Like I'm ever gonna need Spanish

Hablame y mirar a mi cara cabrón. ¿Porque no español usarás?

Tsk, tsk. Must you resort to swears to make your point? That's so crude.

[Gozar]

You know I just thought of something pretty funny and ironic...I'm sure this'll hit home for more people them just myself...

Thinking back some years ago when all I knew was the English Dub...I'd be in heated arguments with people who loved the Original and we'd be in arguments over Dub changes that are out of character for certain characters...Say Goku for example...Many times the word ignorant would come up when describing me.

And now here we are with a new DragonBall product coming out and the shoes on the other foot. So many people don't understand that if the characters are not themselves, then it's not DragonBall.

I post this because I had a major Deja Vu whe referring to someone on YouTube as ignorant due to a stupid comment they made. Just funny how times change.

[SSJ2bardock]

At least your lucky enough to have a Japanese class at your school, all we have is Spanish, French, and German.

Like I'm ever gonna need Spanish

Hablame y mirar a mi cara cabrón. ¿Porque no español usarás?

Acabo de bromear, español será realmente útil.

Now then, enough with the Spanish, it took me like 5 minutes to remember how to say all that