Live Action Movie Thread

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:10 pm

omegacwa wrote:My opinion comes from every time I have seen an "Energy Wave" used in a live action medium, it's always the pencil thin beam. And in my opinion, that looks weak, and terrible. I know that in Dragonball it was mostly the "Thin Beam", which looks fine in a 2d environment, but I hope you get what I am saying.

I hear ya.

It could work *if* done right. But you gotta remember that with Dragon Ball, you can't say anything that's little looks weak.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:11 pm

I watched it like, two days ago or something. I was actually surprised at how the special effects were still passable. (This is a response to watching the one)

Musume · Post by **Musume** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:58 pm

omegacwa wrote:My opinion comes from every time I have seen an "Energy Wave" used in a live action medium, it's always the pencil thin beam. And in my opinion, that looks weak, and terrible. I know that in Dragonball it was mostly the "Thin Beam", which looks fine in a 2d environment, but I hope you get what I am saying.

These look pretty thin to me and they're all kinds of badass. =)

A thin kamehameha alone wouldn't be too impressive. A thin one, plus good martial arts choreography, would be fine by me. It'd be kind of weird for Goku to bust out a Cell Games-era kamehameha in a Dragonball movie anyways.

And is it just me, or aren't people overreacting about overreacting? "Aren't we all adults here" my ass, haven't you guys heard of hyperbole? ;P

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:05 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:
Pain wrote:It's 2008, people. I doubt that the movie will resemble Street Fighter or Fantastic Four.
Fantastic Four wasn’t THAT long ago dude. It was 2005, three years ago. You make it sound as if that movie came out 30 years ago. Unless your talking about the unreleased Roger Corman produced one from 1994, in which case;

Pain wrote:Some of you guys just don't wanna like the good things just because they're good. This is, as Gozar said, just like the Dub Vs. Sub argument. Both have good aspects and bad aspects. Some people just don't like seeing good things in stuff that they love to hate.
Wait… what? That doesn’t make any degree of sense whatsoever.

What kind of masochist out there WOULDN’T like something that’s “good” just because it’s “good”? And the word “good” itself in relation to these things is incredibly relative.

In the case of this movie, look at the decision to have Goku be integrated with civilization from the beginning. This is something which, and I don’t care what BS spin Xyex tries to put on it (no offense dude), there is simply no getting around IS a radical departure from the character’s origins. Some people (like Xyex) may not mind that alteration so much. Others might. And guess what? They’re all perfectly ENTITLED to feel that way. Just because you (or whomever) might feel that certain changes are a POSSITIVE change from the source material DOESN’T mean that everyone is going to feel that way. Hence why “good” is a relative concept.

It’s like with music; let’s say that this movie had a bunch of boy bands on the soundtrack. Little girls may adore this concept and find it to be “good” from their perspective, while other people who hate boy bands will not. See the difference?

And please don’t bring “sub vs dub” into this. “Good” again is strictly relative to the individual. I just got through explaining in another thread that the style of music Faulconer uses is a style of music that I personally have ALWAYS fucking hated my whole life growing up. So why would I be happy to see it in DBZ? Why would I perceive it as “good” if it was a type of music that I’ve never ever liked before in my life in the first place?

Compare me to someone like Super Sonic, who evidently (from what I gather reading his posts, so I apologize to him if I’m in any way off the mark in my assessment) seems to really like and prefer anime in general when it’s “Westernized”, that is altered and transformed to resemble American made action cartoons from the 90’s. That’s his thing, so of course he’s going to see the changes made to the dub as being “good”. Whereas I on the other hand got attracted to unaltered anime as a kid specifically because I grew bored with American made action cartoons of that era and thus have a much more negative view of them than Super Sonic seems to.

Hence when companies like FUNi or whomever introduce elements of U.S. action cartoons into anime, Super Sonic will view that in a positive light because evidently he really seems to still dig that style of cartoon making, whereas I will view it in a negative light because I stopped liking that style of cartoon ages ago and thus the act of changing anime to resemble it defeats the whole purpose of anime in the first place from my perspective. Neither him nor I are inherently “right” or “wrong” in our views; we’re just coming at it from two completely opposite angles. And there’s nothing bad or wrong with that in the least.

The point is, the things that YOU may define as “good” doesn’t automatically mean that it should be or will be defined as “good” by EVERYBODY just because you like it. Neither you, I, nor anybody else has the first and last word on what every person on the planet’s tastes ought to be.

I couldn't get through that last part, but I think I should I agree with you.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:07 pm

omegacwa wrote:I watched it like, two days ago or something. I was actually surprised at how the special effects were still passable. (This is a response to watching the one)

Yeah, the special effects are actually really good for its time (2001).

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:02 am

Hey I was scanning one of the DB Movie Blogs/Sites and was looking through the rumor guide and came across THIS

I'm curious though...When they say "Pre-Viz" do they mean an image from years back before Viz got the license to the Manga in the states (Seems unlike since that was sooo many years ago)? Because I'm clueless to what else Viz could mean.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:03 am

Gozar wrote:Hey I was scanning one of the DB Movie Blogs/Sites and was looking through the rumor guide and came across THIS

I'm curious though...When they say "Pre-Viz" do they mean an image from years back before Viz got the license to the Manga in the states? Because I'm clueless to what else Viz could mean.

He meant pre-visual...I think.

Tatsunoboshi Horoko · Post by **Tatsunoboshi Horoko** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:04 am

"Previsualization."

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:12 am

Gozar wrote:
Wojak wrote:I hope thay don't say "Turtle wave" instead of the Kamehameha wave.

Another thing, I think that the people against the movie (like me) are afraid of this scenario:

Person 1: Hi, do you watch any cartoons?
Person 2: Yeah, I watch anime. Actually, it's mostly Dragonball.
Person 1: Yeah, Dragonball. I have watched the movie.
Person 2: Cool.
Person 1: I liked the vampire, and also the hero Goku, that was really hot in his scenes with Chi Chi. Otherwise the movie sucked.
Person 2: Actually, it's not a vampire, it's the Namekian Piccolo, and in the anime he is green, and also, in Dragonball, Goku is not a sex-machine.
Person 1: Whatever, Goku is still hot and I don't care about that Piccolo guy, he is a stupid vampire, just look at him.
Person 2: Just read the manga or watch the anime, will ya!
Person 1: I won't, because Dragonball is stupid, and I won't give it a shot because of that the movie sucked.

Realistic scenario? No. Can people be such big morons as person 1? Yes.
What I worry about is Forums like this being flooded by in a similar fashion to that.

*Kyle Hebert Narrating*

On the last Episode of DragonBall Fandom...The moment we never thought would happen. Dubbies and Subbies...Pro Season Set and Against Season Set...Funimation and Ocean Fans...HAVE ALL JOINED FORCES TO FIGHT A NEW IGNORANT FOE!!!

I think it would be kind of fun, collectively destroying any and all newbs that come here after the movie. We haven't had a verbal bitch slap here since the KingBroly incident

( 108 posts *shudders* )

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:12 am

Gozar wrote:Hey I was scanning one of the DB Movie Blogs/Sites and was looking through the rumor guide and came across THIS

I'm curious though...When they say "Pre-Viz" do they mean an image from years back before Viz got the license to the Manga in the states (Seems unlike since that was sooo many years ago)? Because I'm clueless to what else Viz could mean.

1) Pre-visualization, which are quick, rough CGI drafts used for a basic idea of what it could look like. JP wasn't clear on that.

2) That picture is so fake.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:06 am

Thanks for the info/help guys.

I think it would be kind of fun, collectively destroying any and all newbs that come here after the movie. We haven't had a verbal bitch slap here since the KingBroly incident

May I ask who KingBroly is and what he did?

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:20 am

I think it would be kind of fun, collectively destroying any and all newbs that come here after the movie. We haven't had a verbal bitch slap here since the KingBroly incident

KingBroly is nothing compared to the hall-of-famers:

- The guy who kept trying to convince everyone on the board that Z characters were moving at the speed of light
- The 'Baby-fuck' guy..who loved to draw extremely wrinkley and/or veiny spaghetti muscle saiyans

These registrant's original usernames escape my memory.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:52 am

Snail wrote:- The guy who kept trying to convince everyone on the board that Z characters were moving at the speed of light

I actually think that's it's possible that Piccolo after fusing with Kami was the first Z-Fighter to travel at such a speed. It's all a matter of perspective. I could throw out some mathematical numbers in favor of it. But I'm guessing it's best not to get into that so I'll simply leave it at that.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:27 am

Gozar wrote:
I think it would be kind of fun, collectively destroying any and all newbs that come here after the movie. We haven't had a verbal bitch slap here since the KingBroly incident
May I ask who KingBroly is and what he did?

The KingBroly incident, 'tis a day that shall live in infamy. The kid came here and started a crap load of nonsense threads like "Bojack vs Broly". He liked to respond with 1 line posts and broke grammar rules. I think EX must've warned him at least 3 times and by the time he was gone his post count had gotten to 108 in a little under 2 hours. I myself wasted a good 20 posts arguing with him.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:28 am

Fantastic Four wasn’t THAT long ago dude. It was 2005, three years ago. You make it sound as if that movie came out 30 years ago. Unless your talking about the unreleased Roger Corman produced one from 1994, in which case;

The 05 F4 movie wasn't too bad. My biggest issue was that it spent 98% of the movie setting up the last 5 minutes.

Wait… what? That doesn’t make any degree of sense whatsoever.

What kind of masochist out there WOULDN’T like something that’s “good” just because it’s “good”? And the word “good” itself in relation to these things is incredibly relative.

You'd be surprised. I've seen plenty of people out right ignore good things about something just so they can complain about and hate it.

(And by good, I mean things that even they previously said would be good, but weren't expecting to see, and then ignored when it happened.)

In the case of this movie, look at the decision to have Goku be integrated with civilization from the beginning. This is something which, and I don’t care what BS spin Xyex tries to put on it (no offense dude), there is simply no getting around IS a radical departure from the character’s origins. Some people (like Xyex) may not mind that alteration so much. Others might. And guess what?

Haha, none taken.

But seriously, it's not much of a departure. Goku was integreated into civilization by the time he was 15/18. No, he couldn't get by as well as Bulma or Yamcha or even Krillin, but he wasn't still as clueless as when Bulma first met him. But just because movie Goku's enrolled in highschool doesn't mean he has to be all that different from his series counterpart at that age. Nothing says that going to school = smart Goku.

"I am the Hope of the Universe. I am the answer to all living beings who cry out for peace...ALLY TO GOOD!!! NIGHTMARE TO YOU!!!"

That's my favorite dub line, and IMO, it's a million times better than what was there in the original.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:32 am

omegacwa wrote:I watched it like, two days ago or something. I was actually surprised at how the special effects were still passable. (This is a response to watching the one)

Haha, and I was thinking "wow this would be so much better if they made it today."

I think it was slightly ahead of its time. Not that it's old or anything, just that the effects industry has grown a bit since then.

But yeah, it was still passable. It was mainly the last fight where I thought it came apart a bit.

Wojak · Post by **Wojak** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:50 am

Kunzait_83 wrote:
Pain wrote:It's 2008, people. I doubt that the movie will resemble Street Fighter or Fantastic Four.
Fantastic Four wasn’t THAT long ago dude. It was 2005, three years ago. You make it sound as if that movie came out 30 years ago. Unless your talking about the unreleased Roger Corman produced one from 1994, in which case;

I actually watched the whole movie. And it was painful to watch. Okay, maybe they had problems with special effects, but look at Batman (1989), where they did a great job with the effects for their time.
The 1994 Fantastic 4 movie has worse effects than the 1989 Batman movie in my opinion (which had excellent effects for it's time).

I hope that this movie isn't a new 1994 F4 movie. Honestly, I doubt that. The Live Action movie seems to have a high budget, so they may actually pull the effects off.
The main problem would as told a hundred times by people against the movie: The storyline and the design of characters.
But also, high budget doesn't mean huge success, anyways.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:33 pm

If you want a good example of impressive FX for its time, look at Terminator 2. Precious few movies have been able to compare to its incredibly realistic CGI, and it came out in 1991.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:27 pm

*cough* Jurassic Park *cough*

Seriously, Jurassic Park 1 has some of the best special effects ever, ILM must have been working quadruple overtime on that one cause that movie still looks awesome and it's over 15 years old.

I also agree about Terminator 2.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:33 pm

omegacwa wrote:*cough* Jurassic Park *cough*

Seriously, Jurassic Park 1 has some of the best special effects ever, ILM must have been working quadruple overtime on that one cause that movie still looks awesome and it's over 15 years old.

I also agree about Terminator 2.

1993, IIRC. Yet another reason why I cried when watching the Matrix sequels.