Gohan and his differences in other timelines

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:21 pm

Forgotten Hero wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
ssj-tom wrote:Okay, so We're assuming that had the story concluded with Namek's destruction, the eventual extinction of the Namekians and the Dragonballs, and the death of all the Z-warriors that it would have stayed that way. With Bulma and Gohan's survival, surely this means that there is still a chance for a storyline to be developed that focuses on Gohan growing up, being forced to become the hero and control his hidden potential back on Earth.
That would be left open, as Dragonball was Goku's story. With Goku dead and unable to come back, DB ends.
He could come back...

The ending proposed above had Piccolo dead, along with the other Nameks. So there is no way Goku would be able to come back to life.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:22 pm

Namekian dragonballs

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:24 pm

Forgotten Hero wrote:Namekian dragonballs

Read the much darker ending posted. That one had all the Nameks being killed, so no Dragonballs.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:29 pm

Kroni_Hunter · Post by **Kroni_Hunter** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:34 pm

I find it hard to believe that Toriyama would have left all of those characters killed off. Goku and Vegeta I can understand. Vegeta had no real place coming back to Earth, and it's a common plot twist to kill off the main character in a heroic fashion. But an ending to DBZ wouldn't be right without Krillin, I don't care what anybody says.

Toriyama always intended the Namek balls to have different rules than
the Earth balls. The 3 wishes instead of 1 (as well as the change of only one revival at a time) was established long before Toriyama had to change his ending. It was also fully understood that their intention in the Frieza saga was to revive ALL of their friends. (This is stated many times, and never once does Chaiozu's situation come up) So I think he intended people to be able to return more than once.

And why would he have Piccolo die so soon after coming to life? Toriyama is just a happy ending kind of guy you can see it throughout the entire series that no matter how hopeless the situation gets, there is always a solution around the corner. Toriyama wouldn't have Goku say in the very next episode "Take Piccolo with you, he's our only chance to revive our friends" if Piccolo was meant to die.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:23 pm

Musume · Post by **Musume** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:05 pm

Kunzait_83, do you have a newsletter? I'm always amazed by your posts.

Although Mirai Gohan is a lot more badass than the adult Gohan in the "normal" timeline, I feel that the adult Gohan of the present is who the Mirai Gohan would've been if he had been given the same opportunity to live freely. Mirai Gohan isn't a badass because he wants to be, he's a badass because he HAS to be. Deep down, he's a massive dork. =D

It's a bit much to wrap my head around, but the same goes for Mirai Trunks. He would've been a lot cockier and arrogant if he hadn't spent most of his formulative years being punted around like a volleyball by two sociopathic killing machines.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:20 pm

Pfft, Future Son Gohan has nothing on Ultimate Son Gohan.

While I typically dislike alternate universe tellings in Anime if TOEI went about it right I would like to see more of how Gohan survived being the only warrior left and his journey.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:57 pm

Probably something along the lines of either Kuririn or Piccolo giving a dramatic speech about how Gohan has to survive, and then proceeding to force the poor kid to abandon the fight, and his friends.

The 'journey' probably wouldn't be much to speak of I think. The audience would simply be treated to a character constantly battling his 'inner demons' and long, dragged out narrations concerning his mental, and physical struggle.

So, a few questions would remain; how did Gohan become a Super Saiyan? One could assume that he simply snapped and just went Ssj during one of his solo training sessions. Or, you could kick it up a notch' and assume that Gohan had a near-death encounter with the Androids and became a Super Saiyan at that point.

Why would the Androids let Gohan live if there was an encounter? The Androids had already eliminated the greatest opposition on the planet, and they know it. The audience should know by now that the Androids simply don't want to eliminate their last hope of 'sport' : Gohan.

Where would he have trained without the Androids noticing Gohan's presence on Earth? From what I remember, 17 and 18 cannot detect the presence of others.

Why hadn't the entire human population been decimated by the time we see teen Trunks? Logically, the Androids may have been taking long road trips as evidence proves in the anime. Other than simply devastating an entire area of civilization right off the bat, perhaps 17 and 18 occasionally enjoyed hanging around certain points of their destinations.

Anyways, that's my quick take on it.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:57 pm

Snail wrote:how did Gohan become a Super Saiyan?

Like you mentioned a little above, when shit was obviously getting bad someone would have told/forced him to get the fuck out of there. Gohan leaves and the people he left behind die. Gohan is now alone. Either when he goes back to try to find the dying/the dead, or when it really hits him that's he's the last one is when he hits ssj. I'd bet a limb on it. I'd bet another limb that that someone was Pic. You don't seriuosly think that anything would have kept him from fighting for that kid till he was dead, and if Gohan didn't hit it when he lost his blood father it could only have been him.

Why would the Androids let Gohan live if there was an encounter?

You hit that one on the head methinks. Gohan wasn't considered an actual danger- so they let him limp away every time because he was the funnest thing left on the planet.

Where would he have trained without the Androids noticing Gohan's presence on Earth?

I also remember the notes about them not being able to sense chi, so he could have found a lot of desolate places the androids had no reason to go to because there was noone to kill there as far as they knew.

Why hadn't the entire human population been decimated by the time we see teen Trunks?

Like with Gohan, they'd get bored. So they leave a couple alone, let them start building again and they blow in and destroy everything for fun.

And that's mine, just piggybacking off yours a little.

Musume · Post by **Musume** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:34 pm

Why hadn't the entire human population been decimated by the time we see teen Trunks? Logically, the Androids may have been taking long road trips as evidence proves in the anime. Other than simply devastating an entire area of civilization right off the bat, perhaps 17 and 18 occasionally enjoyed hanging around certain points of their destinations.

For the same reasons they held back when fighting Gohan and Trunks... What would they do for fun without anyone left to terrorize?

I'm kind of surprised that they decided to destroy as much as they did, though, since they seem to care more about clothes and other material goods than other villains.

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:05 am

I always wondered what the Androids were referring to when they said "home" in the special.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:30 am

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:I always wondered what the Androids were referring to when they said "home" in the special.

They could have meant anything, but probably Gr. Gero's mountain side laboratory.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 2:42 am

Velasa wrote:
Snail wrote:how did Gohan become a Super Saiyan?
Like you mentioned a little above, when shit was obviously getting bad someone would have told/forced him to get the fuck out of there. Gohan leaves and the people he left behind die. Gohan is now alone. Either when he goes back to try to find the dying/the dead, or when it really hits him that's he's the last one is when he hits ssj. I'd bet a limb on it. I'd bet another limb that that someone was Pic. You don't seriuosly think that anything would have kept him from fighting for that kid till he was dead, and if Gohan didn't hit it when he lost his blood father it could only have been him.

I disagree. I think Gohan actually got in there and got has ass kicked.
Before I speculate, it should be said, I don't know how every detail of that fight went down.

I believe all the Z warriors, except Goku, show up on that island. Vegeta, Piccolo, Gohan, Tien, Kuririn, and Yamcha all jump into the fight with jinzonigen 17 and 18. Vegeta was humiliated and murdered! Yamcha and Tien were no different, they never stood a chance. Piccolo and Kuririn die right before Gohan's eyes. Then Gohan becomes a Super Saiyajin. Be he is easily defeated, but some how survives.

That be my version of it.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:35 am

Forgotten Hero wrote:I believe all the Z warriors, except Goku, show up on that island.

Why would they all go to that island?

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:42 am

Exactly, they had no way of knowing about the Jinzoningen, especially since they can't sense their Ki, they wouldn't have been organized at all.

Vegeta probably blundered into the fight thinking they were no real threat since he would have been a super arrogant Super Saiya-jin, and be disposed of in short order, with everyone else to follow as they encounter #17 and #18.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:56 am

Captain Awesome wrote:Vegeta probably blundered into the fight thinking they were no real threat since he would have been a super arrogant Super Saiya-jin, and be disposed of in short order, with everyone else to follow as they encounter #17 and #18.

I wouldn't be surprised if they went after Vegeta first. Everybody else then found out something was up when Vegeta's SSJ energy flared up and then vanished.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:58 am

Well #17 and #18 can't sense ki, but as they did have data on Vegeta (evaluating him as the second strongest?) it makes sense that they would pick a fight with him first for fun.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:12 am

Rocketman wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if they went after Vegeta first. Everybody else then found out something was up when Vegeta's SSJ energy flared up and then vanished.

In the dub, when Trunks is remembering how everyone died (during his fight with Cell), it shows Vegeta getting killed first, and Trunks says "Thrilled by the challenge, the androids sought out the rest of the Z fighters. Even Piccolo was quickly overwhelmed". So Piccolo was killed second. But in the TV special it says "Piccolo was the first to die. Vegeta was next to fall".

I know its only the dub. But in both case it shows footage of the Z fighters dying, and they both seem to contradict each other.

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:17 am

I always laughed at how they showed Android #18 blasting Yajirobe, but didn't even bother to show Chaitzu, but still mention that the Androids took him out, too.

In that Trunks flashback, #17 questions why everyone is afraid to challenge them, so it would seem like the Z-warriors would come after them more then likely. I doubt the Androids could search for all of them.