Live Action Movie Thread

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:21 pm

Velasa wrote:Noooooooooooo this causes me pain o_o I'm trying to deny as long as possible that there might be no Piccolo. Because a reformed Daimaou and our normal Piccolo are not really the same thing. Technically? Yes. But personality-wise and other little notes on how he behaves/thinks/feels? No way.

I prefer this to watching Mr. Marsters vomit up an egg the size of his head.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:45 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Velasa wrote:Noooooooooooo this causes me pain o_o I'm trying to deny as long as possible that there might be no Piccolo. Because a reformed Daimaou and our normal Piccolo are not really the same thing. Technically? Yes. But personality-wise and other little notes on how he behaves/thinks/feels? No way.
I prefer this to watching Mr. Marsters vomit up an egg the size of his head.

Actually, that would be pretty cool.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:45 pm

Xyex wrote:Actually, from what I've seen, it feels more like instead of doing a 'reformed Daimaou' they're just making Piccolo into his father and then reforming him. Which, I suppose, would explain the 'conquer the world' objective, instead of the 'destroy the world' objective.

That however I'd be good with. I'm fine loosing Daimaou (as long as he can still be green when he's young.) It makes more sense as Pic anyway- as there used to be some good to him but he was deeply embittered over something and stuff went bad, ended up with him in the Denshi. There's also the note that a real Daimaou would never reform. .If this is true or not, all has to be determined at the release of the film and not before then.

As to the egg? I'm all for that if it lets me have a Pic.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:56 pm

Velasa wrote:That however I'd be good with. I'm fine loosing Daimaou (as long as he can still be green when he's young.) It makes more sense as Pic anyway- as there used to be some good to him but he was deeply embittered over something and stuff went bad, ended up with him in the Denshi. There's also the note that a real Daimaou would never reform. .If this is true or not, all has to be determined at the release of the film and not before then.

That does seem to be the way they're going... Instead of all the confusing mess with the split-off evil half and the reincarnations and spawning, they're giving us ONE Piccolo character, who goes through the whole cycle of corruption, imprisonment, and redemption. When they've got a larger plot to worry about, and an audience largely not already familiar with the character like we are, they can't waste precious time having to explain questions of, "so WHICH Piccolo is this, again?"

I agree with Rocketman about the egg-spitting. That's probably another reason for the amalgamation, and him using machinery to extract demon spawn.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:04 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
Velasa wrote:That however I'd be good with. I'm fine loosing Daimaou (as long as he can still be green when he's young.) It makes more sense as Pic anyway- as there used to be some good to him but he was deeply embittered over something and stuff went bad, ended up with him in the Denshi. There's also the note that a real Daimaou would never reform. .If this is true or not, all has to be determined at the release of the film and not before then.
That does seem to be the way they're going... Instead of all the confusing mess with the split-off evil half and the reincarnations and spawning, they're giving us ONE Piccolo character, who goes through the whole cycle of corruption, imprisonment, and redemption. When they've got a larger plot to worry about, and an audience largely not already familiar with the character like we are, they can't waste precious time having to explain questions of, "so WHICH Piccolo is this, again?"

I agree with Rocketman about the egg-spitting. That's probably another reason for the amalgamation, and him using machinery to extract demon spawn.

Honestly, *I'm* confused by parts of that arc. I'm perfectly fine, character-wise, with the idea of combining the characters when, basically, they're the same and the point is driven home that they're the same.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:12 pm

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:Honestly, *I'm* confused by parts of that arc. I'm perfectly fine, character-wise, with the idea of combining the characters when, basically, they're the same and the point is driven home that they're the same.

Which is another reason why I suspect that the "changes" James Marsters has said Piccolo undergoes are not just in character, being started upon a path to redemption, but also probably physical, like getting his youth restored somehow, by a wish or otherwise. Basically, as he is right now, he's a bit too scary and dilapidated to come across as a hero.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:14 pm

Like like the idea of just having ONE Piccolo. Then, with the all the redemption in DBZ, he will seem like a much deeper character.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:29 pm

If he gets to be green again, I don't really care.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:38 pm

Kendamu wrote:If he gets to be green again, I don't really care.

That's the spirit.

In somewhat interesting news, dbthemovie might have an interview with a movie-made character that no one knows the name of in a few days. No promises. At the very least I know his/her name right now.

Dry spells suck.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:44 pm

By the way, like I suggested a while back, I sent an e-mail to Mr. Marster's Q&A feature on his site, asking about the whole "not-green" debacle. Did anyone else do this?

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:35 am

New Brian Tyler (composer) interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSJUajJ8 ... movie.com/

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:39 am

JAPPO wrote:New Brian Tyler (composer) interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSJUajJ8 ... movie.com/

Now I'm getting mental images of Optimus Prime sitting in class dressed in a Hogwarts uniform.

Well, "whimsical" is good. Some of early DB music could fall under that.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:50 am

omegacwa wrote:Interesting Fact, I can actually do decent imitations of both Vegeta and Piccolo's Japanese voices, yet I don't really know any Japanese. For a while I just liked yelling Gekirets Koudan!

I actually wouldn't mind hearing that.

My best friend IRL actually used to do a dead-on Japanese Majin Buu.

Kendamu wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
I prefer this to watching Mr. Marsters vomit up an egg the size of his head.
Actually, that would be pretty cool.

I second that Kendamu. The more "gross" or "icky" moments in any kind of movie, the more entertained I am.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:04 am

I wonder which version of the anime Mr. Tyler watched ?

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:19 am

Chrono Trigger wrote:I wonder which version of the anime Mr. Tyler watched ?

I'd place my bets on the dub, something tells me he wouldn't go out of his way to try and find the Japanese version, if he even knows or cares that a Japanese version exists.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:58 am

NeptuneKai wrote:
Chrono Trigger wrote:I wonder which version of the anime Mr. Tyler watched ?
I'd place my bets on the dub, something tells me he wouldn't go out of his way to try and find the Japanese version, if he even knows or cares that a Japanese version exists.

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, the Dragonball dub is pretty faithful to the original.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:06 am

Big Momma wrote:Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, the Dragonball dub is pretty faithful to the original.

It uses the original music.

So there's hope for the film yet.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:14 am

Captain Awesome wrote:
Big Momma wrote:Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, the Dragonball dub is pretty faithful to the original.
It uses the original music.

So there's hope for the film yet.

:O
Do I sense sarcasm?

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:21 am

Haha!,

The one occasion I say something positive, it gets misinterpreted as sarcasm!

What I meant was that since the FUNimation dub of Dragonball uses the original music, it means that possibly we might see something a little bit more faithful than the Faulconer inspired rubbish I was dreading.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:24 am

Big Momma wrote: Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, the Dragonball dub is pretty faithful to the original.

Meh, more or less. They still have stupid edits (sui-ken becomes "mad cow" style?) and they continued to up the bitch-factor on Bulma. For example, in the Ma Jr. Saga, Muten at one point comments on the four strongest fighters. Bulma, in the original, laments that Yamcha and Kuririn didn't make it that far. Dub Bulma goes bitch-mode on Roshi for being "a broken record." And earlier in the same saga, Kami indicates to Yamcha that he was an extra terrestrial in the dub (during the scene where he's letting him know that he's just using a host body). To a dub writer that may seem like a funny in-joke, but it really isn't something a new viewer going in order should get before the next saga.

There's little crap like that all over their DB dub that keep me from enjoying it (that and chibi-Kuririn's voice is the worst voice I've ever heard this side of Weevil on Yu-Gi-Oh!). It is a large step up from DBZ. I'd call it a decent attempt that ultimately fails some expectations, as opposed to Z which I just flat out call a shitty dub.

Kendamu wrote:If he gets to be green again, I don't really care.

Amen. I can part with the antennae. Generic though the color choice may be, I kind of like the costume. The face, well it's James with demon make-up. Not a problem for me. If he could just...be...GREEN... I'd be ridiculously happy.