MSSJ or SSJ2

goodguy777 · Post by **goodguy777** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:12 am

"Gohan vs. Dabra"

Is it SSJ2 Gohan or MSSJ Gohan?

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:12 am

He's a MSSJ.

It's clear for anyone to see.

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:45 am

I assume MSSJ = Max SSJ. Which is what Gohan is. He doesn't go SSJ2 again after Cell and that one time with Kibito was his last hurrah. Or did he even go SSJ2 then?

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:52 am

mAcChaos wrote:I assume MSSJ = Max SSJ. Which is what Gohan is. He doesn't go SSJ2 again after Cell and that one time with Kibito was his last hurrah. Or did he even go SSJ2 then?

One of the Daizenshuu says he does against Dabura, but I guess the question is whether people agree with it or not, since it certainly doesn't look that way in either the anime or the manga.

TheJoo87 · Post by **TheJoo87** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:04 am

I believe he was SSJ2 although I haven't seen those episodes in a while.

Here's a pic of him at SSJ
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/drago ... aiyan1.jpg
Notice the two bangs the big and small.
SSJ2
http://www.capcorphq.com/images/Gohan-run.gif
Now only one bang.
I rewatched the fight and theres only one. I'm not saying I'm completely sure though.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:06 am

TheJoo87 wrote:I believe he was SSJ2 although I haven't seen those episodes in a while.

Here's a pic of him at SSJ
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/drago ... aiyan1.jpg
Notice the two bangs the big and small.
SSJ2
http://www.capcorphq.com/images/Gohan-run.gif
Now only one bang.
I rewatched the fight and theres only one. I'm not saying I'm completely sure though.

Hmm...it's definitely hard to tell. The lightning is usually the biggest give away, but doesn't the lightning usually only appear when they have a visible aura?

TheJoo87 · Post by **TheJoo87** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:36 am

If we are going by the anime than there is no way to tell. The lightening and aura appear sometimes and don't other times. There's no consistancy. In the manga to be honest I think Toriyama forgot to draw the lightening.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:17 am

But it would be weird for him to forget to draw it only that one time, and throughout the entire battle. I mean, he added the lightning to Gohan's aura before that fight (when Gohan transformed in front of Kibito), and he also drew it in during Goku and Vegeta's Super Saiyan 2 battle 3 chapters later (Gohan is still lacking the lightning at this point, while trying to prevent Boo from awakening), so I think he was fighting at the regular level.

One thing I've never seen anyone mention is when Kaiôshin was surprised that Boo's energy meter had reached full power, wondering if it could have possibly been from Gohan's damage in his battle with Dabra. Gohan says that the damage must have come from his dad and Vegeta fighting at the level beyond Super Saiyan (or, as we know it, Super Saiyan 2). Is it just me, or does that imply that Gohan wasn't fighting at that level himself?

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:22 am

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:But it would be weird for him to forget to draw it only that one time, and throughout the entire battle. I mean, he added the lightning to Gohan's aura before that fight (when Gohan transformed in front of Kibito), and he also drew it in during Goku and Vegeta's Super Saiyan 2 battle 3 chapters later (Gohan is still lacking the lightning at this point, while trying to prevent Boo from awakening), so I think he was fighting at the regular level.

One thing I've never seen anyone mention is when Kaiôshin was surprised that Boo's energy meter had reached full power, wondering if it could have possibly been from Gohan's damage in his battle with Dabra. Gohan says that the damage must have come from his dad and Vegeta fighting at the level beyond Super Saiyan (or, as we know it, Super Saiyan 2). Is it just me, or does that imply that Gohan wasn't fighting at that level himself?

Could be.

I don't have the later volumes of the manga right now, so could someone tell me if the SSJ2 lightning is still there even when they lack the normal aura and everything in the manga?

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:03 am

Gohan had the right aura when he changed into SSJ2 for Kibito, along with the other two SSJ2 as well. Gohan's hair also looks the same as SSJ2 when he transformed to unleash the Z-sword.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:14 am

Didn't we already just cover this in another thread?

Trying to identify it via whether there's one or two tiny bangs is really unreliable. Look in the manga. While the anime is really inconsistent, in the manga, Super Saiyan 2 ALWAYS has the lightning bolts in the aura. Gohan did not have any lightning bolts against Dabra. Therefore, Gohan was only at SSj1.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:55 pm

Yeah, it's typically up to however Toriyama felt, I think.

Which is which?

disturbed001 · Post by **disturbed001** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:03 pm

JulieYBM wrote:Yeah, it's typically up to however Toriyama felt, I think.

Which is which?

The right one is SSJ2

Horgus · Post by **Horgus** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:16 pm

Gohan would have been winning against Dabura if he was using SSJ2.

He wasn't.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:16 pm

Most of the places I've seen MSSj used it is meant as "Mystic" Super Saiya-jin, and since the whole SSj, SSj2, LSSj abbreviations themselves are fan-made terms, as is the "mystic" level of Gohan, I see MSSj as an appropriate term to use in the context of abbreviating "Mystic" Super Saiya-jin Gohan.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:50 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote:Most of the places I've seen MSSj used it is meant as "Mystic" Super Saiya-jin, and since the whole SSj, SSj2, LSSj abbreviations themselves are fan-made terms, as is the "mystic" level of Gohan, I see MSSj as an appropriate term to use in the context of abbreviating "Mystic" Super Saiya-jin Gohan.

But Gohan can't go Super Saiyan after he becomes 'Mystic'.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:06 pm

Rocketman wrote:
SSj_Rambo wrote:Most of the places I've seen MSSj used it is meant as "Mystic" Super Saiya-jin, and since the whole SSj, SSj2, LSSj abbreviations themselves are fan-made terms, as is the "mystic" level of Gohan, I see MSSj as an appropriate term to use in the context of abbreviating "Mystic" Super Saiya-jin Gohan.
But Gohan can't go Super Saiyan after he becomes 'Mystic'.

I know, that's why I don't use it. I was just saying that I see MSSj as an abbreviation for Mystic Gohan a lot, and since Mystic and SSj are both fan terms/abbreviations it makes sense that a lot of people use it...except for the fact that Gohan can't go Super Saiya-jin.

I guess a more accurate term would be MSj Gohan, leaving out the "S" for supa.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:15 pm

I get the impression that Gohan's SSJ2 aura, after 7 years of not training, simply isn't strong enough to maintain lightning for extended periods of time.

That or Toriyama forgot to draw lightning when fighting Dabura.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:19 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote:Most of the places I've seen MSSj used it is meant as "Mystic" Super Saiya-jin, and since the whole SSj, SSj2, LSSj abbreviations themselves are fan-made terms, as is the "mystic" level of Gohan, I see MSSj as an appropriate term to use in the context of abbreviating "Mystic" Super Saiya-jin Gohan.

No, it stands for "Mastered Super Saiyan." Also known as "Full Power Super Saiyan" (FPSSJ). The form Gohan and Goku use in the Cell Game.

Dayspring wrote:That or Toriyama forgot to draw lightning when fighting Dabura.

I already pointed out earlier why that isn't likely.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:23 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:"Full Power Super Saiyan" (FPSSJ)

I thought that stood for "First-Person Shooter Saiyan". Y'know, from the Call of Duty spin-off based on Frieza's wars of planetary conquest.