Dabura

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:43 pm

Xyex wrote:
Horgus wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:It's not really implied that SSj1 kid Son Gohan was going all out against Cell, was it? He didn't have his head in the game--and I'll be killed for that preceding reference--before going SSj2, did he?
If my friends were in the process of being killed in front of me, I'd probably want to fight as hard as I possibly could.

Why would Gohan hold back? He wasn't really 'planning on' transforming.
Because he has no self confidence, no faith in himself or his power, he prefers not to fight if he can avoid it, and he's scared of using his full power because of the damage it could do. It's all well and good if you can save your friends, but it doesn't help much if you blow them up in the process, you know?

Better to kill your friends than to allow another to kill them.

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Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:25 pm

JulieYBM wrote: Better to kill your friends than to allow another to kill them.

Uh.

We're not buddies, OK?

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:59 pm

He could have been worried about giving more energy to Buu if the tables turned on him, I suppose. He'd already had his SSJ2 ki stolen once.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:35 pm

Horgus wrote: If my friends were in the process of being killed in front of me, I'd probably want to fight as hard as I possibly could.

Why would Gohan hold back? He wasn't really 'planning on' transforming.

If my post earlier wasn't an indication, I picked up that chapter just to be sure. Gohan was *not* going all out against Cell at SSJ1. Goku is constantly insisting that Gohan has more power, that he felt it while training with him, and that Gohan just needed the right trigger to let it loose. And since Gohan hadn't gone SSJ2 yet, that isn't what Goku sensed. Maybe a prelude to it, but still SSJ1. The scuffle between Gohan and Cell is really short. Cell knocks Gohan into a mountain and everyone thinks he's dead except for Goku. Gohan walks out mostly unscathed, and tells Cell that the battle is pointless and he doesn't want to continue.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:38 pm

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:
JulieYBM wrote: Better to kill your friends than to allow another to kill them.
Uh.

We're not buddies, OK?

Well, that really only applies to the situations Gohan was in. They were going to die, it was up to him to decide whether it would be he or some scumbag (Cell)?

Toriyama Boss · Post by **Toriyama Boss** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:09 pm

goodguy777 wrote:Exactly where?

"Suupaa saiyajin 2 no Gohan to hobo gokaku no tatakai wo kurihirogeru." In other words, "He put up a fight almost equal to Super Saiyan 2 Gohan"

But hey, be like the rest of the geeks, ignore direct sanctioned info from Toriyama.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:13 pm

Toriyama Boss wrote:But hey, be like the rest of the geeks, ignore direct sanctioned info from Toriyama.

...In favor of what Toriyama actually drew himself? Sure, don't mind if I do.

The Daizenshuu is wrong about it. Deal with it.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:36 pm

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:
Victator Supreme wrote:I'm not sure if its been mentioned. But Dabura was not going into the fight with Gohan intending to kill him. His goal was to drag it out and inflict damage so he could ressurect Buu.
When Dabura realized he couldn't damage Gohan enough, he tried to petrify him, and slash him with the sword. That's why Babidi was pissed at him during the battle. He did try to finish it with those two instances.

Yet when he encountered him again. He had no fear of him. He was fully confident he could kill him in a real fight.

Toriyama Boss · Post by **Toriyama Boss** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:37 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:...In favor of what Toriyama actually drew himself? Sure, don't mind if I do.

The Daizenshuu is wrong about it. Deal with it.

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SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:40 pm

That was a little extreme don't you think?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:42 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:That was a little childish and stupid don't you think?

Fixed.

Seriously, Phenom, when you resort to this kind of crap, it doesn't help your credibility or case AT ALL.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:53 pm

Toriyama Boss wrote:But hey, be like the rest of the geeks, ignore direct sanctioned info from Toriyama.

I'm gonna go with what he actually drew, thanks.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:27 pm

Well that's one member I don't care for gone...oh yes and I agree with Rocketman on this subject.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:32 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:Well that's one member I don't care for gone...oh yes and I agree with Rocketman on this subject.

Yeah I typically tend to go with the manga over anything else too, good call Rocketman & crew.

Did Toriyama Boss really just get banned permanently? It was only one post that was asinine...... but then, things of that nature aren't tolerated here so no regrets and good riddance.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:39 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:

Did Toriyama Boss really just get banned permanently? It was only one post that was asinine...... but then, things of that nature aren't tolerated here so no regrets and good riddance.

I've only seen Mr.EX ban people when they make personal attacks on other members.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:30 am

SSJ2bardock wrote:It was only one post that was asinine......

No, he's made plenty before.

Anyway, if he's going to accept every piece of information in the Daizenshuu, mistakes and all, he might as well consider Raditz's battle power to be 1500.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:31 am

SSJ2bardock wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:Well that's one member I don't care for gone...oh yes and I agree with Rocketman on this subject.
Yeah I typically tend to go with the manga over anything else too, good call Rocketman & crew.

Did Toriyama Boss really just get banned permanently? It was only one post that was asinine...... but then, things of that nature aren't tolerated here so no regrets and good riddance.

First: I'm with Rocketman. What's in the manga holds more sway than the Daizenshuu. Now, maybe if he came out and stated something himself (for whatever reason), and said it was a plot hole correction (*coughcell'sregenerationcough*) that'd be different.

Second: "Toryiama Boss" was already banned once under the name Phenomenol and then came back, which is a no-no in and of itself. But as he wasn't causing anymore problems Mike let it slide, but told him he'd be watching. He has since slipped back into his original style, thus the ban.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:35 am

Xyex wrote:(*coughcell'sregenerationcough*)

Do you mind if I ask about this? Just out of curiosity. Was there a plot hole involving his regeneration?

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:38 am

When he regenerated after Goku blew his head off, despite later stating that his "core" (which allows him to regenerate) is located inside of his head.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:45 am

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:When he regenerated after Goku blew his head off, despite later stating that his "core" (which allows him to regenerate) is located inside of his head.

Ah, okay. I always figured that only applied to nameks and Cell had somehow improved upon it, especially since he came back after self destructing, but is there something that contradicts that?