What are people's opinion on GT?

[ssjcj]

I was listening to one of the podcast episodes where they talk about the good and bad parts of GT and it got me thinking, as the new boxset is coming out, should I buy it?

I really enjoyed both Dragonball and DBZ but have no idea about GT. I have seen the odd episode (3 at the most) and was just wanting to see some opinions on the series.

CJ

P.S. I don't want this thread to be a widescreen discussion.

[Kaboom]

Pros: It's fun in its own way, it has some interesting concepts, better pacing than the Z anime, and Super Saiyan 4 is insanely cool

Cons: It was rather badly produced, and disregarded or mixed up plot and character points from DB and Z.

[SSJToreto]

Well most of the people on this forum look down on GT, because it's non-canon... Some people like GT for what it is and it really depends on the person. I say buy it. It's only 64 episode's long so if you don't like it, you won't have to suffer for very long... Personaly, I liked the last couple of episodes. It's pretty bad until it get's going.

[Vekurotto]

Out of the 3 attempted times I've tried to watch GT I have never actually completed it. First time it was with the dub and I never got past the first VHS tape that I still have. The second time was with the CN airings and didn't get past the 3rd episode, the last time I tried, I tried watching in Japanese and never got past the 2nd episode. I have beaten the Sparking!/Tenkaichi modes of GT more than I have watched the anime but somehow the series never set well with me.

I'm going to watch it one day all the way through and if Funi's boxsets aren't widescreen and have the alternate angles for at least the title cards I'll most likely buy them and watch the series all the way through.

[kusakun004]

Pros: The seven dark dragons, the ending, Super 17 arc, music and theme songs (No ZENKAI Power for 199 episodes thank god), not a very long series like DBZ.

Cons: Baby fight was too long, a lot of main characters were weak or didn't do much during the series, Vegeta's mustache.

[Vegard Aune]

I'm going to watch it one day all the way through and if Funi's boxsets aren't widescreen and have the alternate angles for at least the title cards I'll most likely buy them and watch the series all the way through.

They were confirmed to be in 4:3 on the New York Anime Festival about an hour ago. However, like I've said before, I doubt there'll be any alternate angles, but let's not repeat that discussion here.

[Super 17]

For me everythig is good except the Super 17 arc. That's just a waste of time. Only like 6 episodes long. I didn't like how chibi Goku without turning super saiyajin defeated Freeza and Cell. Also it's stupid that Cooler was brought back to life instead of Raditz. I also liked the DBGT TV special that's supposed to occure 100 years later after GT. And of course my favorite part of GT was the awesome composing Akihito did. The music was fantastic, nothing of GT can top that.

To answer your question I would say buy it. It's not that long of a show and who cares if it's not in the manga, it's still a show created by people.

[Rocketman]

For me everythig is good except the Super 17 arc. That's just a waste of time. Only like 6 episodes long. I didn't like how chibi Goku without turning super saiyajin defeated Freeza and Cell. Also it's stupid that Cooler was brought back to life instead of Raditz.

Raditz was brought back to life.

And my biggest hate on the Super 17 Saga is when SSJ(2?) Vegeta and Majuub couldn't do squat, but when SSJ Kid Goku shows up, his first punch knocks S17 across half the planet.

Otherwise, I have the same general hatin' as most people - way too much Goku. By the Shadow Dragon Saga, I was hoping that Gohan and kids would do something. I was hoping that.

Other hates:

-Keeping Goku a kid after SSJ4. Just seemed pointless.
-SSJ4. Design's cool, but I hate adding even more levels to Super Saiyan.
-Crapping all over Z's villains. Ok, sure, Freeza may not be much of a challenge by this point, but Cell and Buu? We're supposed to buy that Base Kid Goku (who was stated to have lost power) is stronger than a Super Saiyan 2? Or that Rildo is stronger than Buu, yet SSJ Kid Goku can go head-to-head with him? No, fuck you, GT.
-Vegeta being the bitch again, being just strong enough to take the most punishment until Godku shows up.

Likes:

-Most of the ideas behind the sagas are pretty cool. I like the idea of a galaxy-wide DB hunt (as much as it hurts the part of me that knows how big a galaxy is), I can stand the idea of old villains coming back (esp. since it had only been done once before, and only in a movie), and I really like the idea of having to fight the Dragonballs themselves, especially after Old Kai's warning in Z about using the DBs too much.
-Some of Vegeta's lines were just gold. I don't recall if they were in the original, he got some good ones.

[SSJ2bardock]

It's true, Majuub was a useless character.

[Saiyan-Professor]

And my biggest hate on the Super 17 Saga is when SSJ(2?) Vegeta and Majuub couldn't do squat, but when SSJ Kid Goku shows up, his first punch knocks S17 across half the planet.

In this forum, someone argued in the past that Super #17 did not brace for the punch perhaps out of underestimating Kakarrot’s combat power because of his size. Or Super #17 allowed that to make Kakarrot believe that he actually had a shot similar to how Majin Buu would take an attack from various characters and when they believe that they have beat him he would come back laughing his head off (in some cases literally).

It's true, Majuub was a useless character.

Not necessarily, Uub, Son Gohan and the others were fighting with “Z” combat powers while Vegeta and Kakarrot were at GT villain levels.

[SSJmole]

I like it. It's anime canon and it's pretty fun.


Likes
- Kid Goku : I don't like adult Goku but kid goku is pretty fun.
- Gill - yes I love the little robot
- Pan - I like Pan, I know a lot don't but I do
- SSJ 4 - looks cool and has a cool transformation
- Baby - Interesting twist seeing as how he's a victim of the saiyans but yet a villain too
- Super 17 - ok it makes little sense in a way but was pretty cool
- Omega Omega Shenro - great final battle
- Gogeta - It makes me laugh every time when he does his attack and streamers come out, plus he was cool
- Goku Jr and Vegeta Jr - pretty cool concept
- Hero's journey movie - This is a great movie it really is.
- Vegeta's outfit - looked bad ass

Dislikes

- Vegeta's hair both head and facial - ruined his look
- The black star balls - made no sense
- Pilaf been alive - made no sense
- Trunks - They saved the future so trunks would grow up to be a wuss who dressed like a girl in an episode? I would rather the world was destroyed by androids if it meant getting bad ass future trunks
- the rest of the dragons - lame
- those dancing guys - poor man's ginyu squad

[Onikage725]

Warning! This post contains spoilers. And bitching.

My two biggest gripes with GT are consistency and time.

I say consistency because it has none. NONE. That's not to say that there isn't anything cool about GT. Their hearts where in the right place. Their heads, not so much.

Remember SSJ2?
Gone.
Remember Gohan being above SSJ3 level?
Gone.
Remember Gotenks?
Gone.
Remember anybody not named Goku having an impact?
Gone, though Vegeta gets a pass for being possessed in the first saga, and he does contribute at the ass-end of the last saga.

Basically, take the little inconsistencies from Z filler, and imagine there was no manga around those scenes to bring things back into focus. Y'know how in Z noone would go SSJ2 in filler fights, and half the time they wouldn't even bother going SSJ before fighting someone who should, by rights, destroy their base forms with a sneeze?

Happens all over GT.

And power, as has been mentioned above, is very inconsistent. Majin Uub? He's supposed to be a reincarnation of Kid Buu, personally trained by Goku to a decent level. While untrained, he gave base Goku a run for his money at the end of Z. So, years of intense training later he fuses with Mr. Buu, gets all buff, and... does absolutely nothing. A blob of jelly possessing Vegeta beats the living shit out of him. It's so anti-climatic. We also get stuff like Gohan blasting Super 17 without effect, but Vegeta being able to go to blows with him briefly (and both were SSJ1 during the fight). And SSJ Kid Goku (weaker than his adult form) constantly shows up both of them. Him even being able to go SSJ3 baffles me, though I will admit it is kinda cool to see (especially since we aren't getting any Gotenks).

There's one scene where Trunks rushes Evil Shenron without transforming. And, if I recall, Goten was right there. Fusion + SSJ3? Nah.

Piccolo needs to go to Hell to help Goku escape from Freeza and Cell, so they cook up this scenario where he has to cause damage to Heaven and be sent to Hell forever. Some BS about not being able to go to the other place without being re-assigned. Yet the last time Freeza and Cell ran amok in the anime, the gods let Paikuhan and Goku go. So we basically have filler that isn't even consistent with its own filler.

Oh!

When the dead rise, the kids sense #19's ki and blast him from around the corner in an alley. Cuz... that makes sense, what with #19 being detectable by ki sensing and all.

Nappa shows up and thinks he can take Vegeta cuz he's twice as strong. I guess Toei forgot that even in the Saiyan Saga, Nappa x2 would have meant an easy win for Vegeta.

And most of the fights really just don't do it. That's what I meant by time. This isn't their fault, but the show suffers from the exact opposite of Z-syndrome. The Majin Uub fight I mentioned above probably would have been 1 or 2 episodes in Z. I think it's like 1 minute or so in GT. Just when it revs up, it ends. There's a lot of "YEA...oh," moments in the series. And most of the supporting cast is basically written off the show.

And the first dozen or so episodes really just make you never want to watch anything Dragon Ball related. Ever. The only time I ever supported FUNi editing was when I turned on CN the day they premiered GT and they skipped all that with a brief recap. Seriously, those episodes are Fake Namek bad.

[Saiyan-Professor]

Piccolo needs to go to Hell to help Goku escape from Freeza and Cell, so they cook up this scenario where he has to cause damage to Heaven and be sent to Hell forever. Some BS about not being able to go to the other place without being re-assigned. Yet the last time Freeza and Cell ran amok in the anime, the gods let Paikuhan and Goku go. So we basically have filler that isn't even consistent with its own filler.

I always thought that Paikuhan was under Dai Kaiô-sama’s jurisdiction and Piccolo was under Enma-Daiô’s that is why different rules were in play.

[SSJmole]

Nappa shows up and thinks he can take Vegeta cuz he's twice as strong. I guess Toei forgot that even in the Saiyan Saga, Nappa x2 would have meant an easy win for Vegeta.

Toei could have remember because the question is Does Nappa know even in the Saiyan Saga, Nappa x2 would have meant an easy win for Vegeta? I don't think he does as seems to think Vegeta as an Equal till his death plus can't sense power levels with out his scouter

[SSj_Rambo]

For a lot of people it's something that they watch just for the sake of being able to say they watched it.

It is a cool series, and has some very fun to watch parts, by if you do watch it I suggest that you go into it with the same mind-set you would have if you were watching one of the movies. Don't expect the story to fit in with the canon story-line and just watch for the sake of pure enjoyment...not to further or better understand the series, read the manga for that.

[Onikage725]

Toei could have remember because the question is Does Nappa know even in the Saiyan Saga, Nappa x2 would have meant an easy win for Vegeta? I don't think he does as seems to think Vegeta as an Equal till his death plus can't sense power levels with out his scouter

I have to disagree.

When Vegeta got loud with Nappa, Nappa bowed his head and apologized. The Z Senshi even make note of this.

Nappa spent a great deal of time with Vegeta. According to the TV Special, since Vegeta's childhood. He also had a perfectly working scouter until he got to Earth. Comments from Kiwi, Zarbon, and Freeza make it seem like Vegeta's power was common knowledge. It would be hard to swallow that these guys would know Vegeta's power level, but his right hand man wouldn't.

Nappa at his best couldn't lay a finger on Goku at 8k. Even Goku, clearly better than Nappa, couldn't roll with Vegeta at double his base power. And at that same "inferior than Vegeta" doubling, he crippled Nappa with one blow. In silly internet fake math terms, Saiyan Saga Vegeta > Saiyan Saga Goku w/ Kaio-ken > GT Nappa > end-Saiyan Saga base Goku > Saiyan Saga Nappa.

Regardless of how the dub makes him out, Nappa isn't a retard. Which means, to me, that Toei was just pulling shit out of their ass for the 8,000th time simply because it would look cool.

[Horgus]

I had mixed feelings about GT, honestly.

I liked the Baby saga, and with some tweaking it could even have been good enough for DBZ.

I DIDN'T like the Goku-centrism, the replacing of all the old Z fighters, Roshi, and even the secondary cast, Piccolo and Vegeta, etc.

The soundtrack was ok, the opening theme was great, the ending was pretty good, if a bit sappy. After the Baby saga, GT rapidly breaks down into one cheesy overly rushed boss fight after another, seemingly only continuing so they can milk more out of the franchise with cheesy 'HYPER MEGA RILDO' action figure sales.

[Captain Awesome]

I take GT for what it is, a 64 episode long piece of filler.

It isn't without it's redeemable qualities, it has a great soundtrack, some good ideas (though the execution was quite poor) and a great ending.

I bought the single releases, and I don't buy things that I hate, hell if these new sets are fullscreen and have improved video quality, I'll even buy them.

[Saiyan-Professor]

When the dead rise, the kids sense #19's ki and blast him from around the corner in an alley. Cuz... that makes sense, what with #19 being detectable by ki sensing and all.

Quick question, if something did not change when transitioning from life to death to life again with the Artificial Humans how do you explain #17 and #18 contributing to the Genki Dama at the end of the Buu arc in the manga? Oh and by the way, those kids are almost in their thirties by that time.

[NeptuneKai]

As a T.V show I think it doesn't work, if they made it into a series of movies I'd think the response would be better. GT is better is small doses so when you have large breaks in-between I think it would have helped.

It would be like if they made Dragonball Z movies 1-13 into a series of episodes, I think people would be sick with all the "Goku" and stock endings.