What would your "Legendary SSJ" look like?

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:19 pm

I'm lookin for it now; the speech/flashback is from episode 92.

EDIT: never mind i was thinking of the wrong vegeta speech. Is it from the Namek Saga or the Frieza saga?

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:57 am

Perhaps, if they took out the first SSJ3 transformation, the perhaps a new transformation would have worked.

But for me, it would have to be a transformation that can only be achieved through a Goku/Vegeta fusion. It'd be a combination of SS(J)4 and SS(J)3. The hair would be long and gray, the chest area would have hair, and there would be a tail. However, there would be no pupils, and no eyebrows...and we can't forget the epic lightning bolts.

Perhaps, it'd also be a "half-Oozaru" type form where the user cannot control himself and goes on a rampage? Against Kid Boo, it'd be like to savage beasts against each other.

Tweaker · Post by **Tweaker** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:52 am

LeprikanGT wrote:I'm lookin for it now; the speech/flashback is from episode 92.

EDIT: never mind i was thinking of the wrong vegeta speech. Is it from the Namek Saga or the Freeza saga?

The speech about the last Super Saiyan? Pretty sure it was in the Namek Saga, somewhere in the middle. I don't remember the exact episode number or surrounding context because quite frankly, most of the Namek Saga put me to sleep. It's somewhere in there, though.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 3:09 am

Pain wrote:Can someone post a pic of the "LSSJ" that Vegeta talked about in the Freeza Saga? I remember see it as a big ape-like shadowy figure.

This is the best I can do for now.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:47 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Pain wrote:Can someone post a pic of the "LSSJ" that Vegeta talked about in the Freeza Saga? I remember see it as a big ape-like shadowy figure.
This is the best I can do for now.

Yep! That's what I saw. And so the Super Saiyajin Oozaru is the real Legendary Super Saiyajin?

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:53 pm

Yes thats what vegeta knew as the legendary super saiyan. Does anyone have the picture of that version of the oozaru with vegeta in the picture as well? At one point he had a flashback and it showed him above his head half in a shadow and half out.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:29 pm

Actually, if Son Gokû had to be the one to win I'd have liked to have seen him use a punch with all his heart and soul ala his KO on Aka.

As for a new SSj form? Nah, while I like SSj4 we never really saw a good use of it's power as opposed to the other forms. I didn't really see any difference in speed or power.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:35 pm

JulieYBM wrote:Nah, while I like SSj4 we never really saw a good use of it's power as opposed to the other forms. I didn't really see any difference in speed or power.

Yeah, that's a shame. It's another GT-related case of something that should have been amazing, but fell flat from poor execution.

Goku's first use of it against Babi (the episode or two before Babi transformed and the production and animation quality went to hell) was the best example of SSj4's power, I think. He was absolutely untouchable. Punches from Babi that Goku was helpless against at SSj3 now tickled him.

Wojak · Post by **Wojak** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:46 pm

JulieYBM wrote: As for a new SSj form? Nah, while I like SSj4 we never really saw a good use of it's power as opposed to the other forms. I didn't really see any difference in speed or power.

My list on transformations and their effect on the base power:

SSJ: x50
SSJ2: x100
SSJ3: x150
SSJ4: x175

So I kinda agree with you there.

EDIT: My Legendary SSJ would look like the one in Vegeta's flashback as posted above.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:53 pm

Big Momma wrote:But for me, it would have to be a transformation that can only be achieved through a Goku/Vegeta fusion.

Why would Vegetto need a new form?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:04 pm

Pain wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Pain wrote:Can someone post a pic of the "LSSJ" that Vegeta talked about in the Freeza Saga? I remember see it as a big ape-like shadowy figure.
This is the best I can do for now.

Yep! That's what I saw. And so the Super Saiyajin Oozaru is the real Legendary Super Saiyajin?

No. According to anime filler, Legendary SSJ can only be obtained when in Oozaru form. So Golden Oozaru or SSJ4 would be the anime's LSSJ, but... then they let Vegeta do it too, totally debunking themselves again.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 3:59 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Big Momma wrote:But for me, it would have to be a transformation that can only be achieved through a Goku/Vegeta fusion.
Why would Vegetto need a new form?

To top off the power level charts.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:45 pm

Big Momma wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
Big Momma wrote:But for me, it would have to be a transformation that can only be achieved through a Goku/Vegeta fusion.
Why would Vegetto need a new form?
To top off the power level charts.

More like completely shatter them and break space and time, ending the world as we know it.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:27 pm

Dayspring wrote:
Pain wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote: This is the best I can do for now.

Yep! That's what I saw. And so the Super Saiyajin Oozaru is the real Legendary Super Saiyajin?
No. According to anime filler, Legendary SSJ can only be obtained when in Oozaru form. So Golden Oozaru or SSJ4 would be the anime's LSSJ, but... then they let Vegeta do it too, totally debunking themselves again.

According to the Dragonball GT Perfect Files when asked the question, “Why was Super Saiyan 4 established!?”

It was decided from the beginning that there would be a transformation which further unlocks Gokuu's dormant abilities. Also, in the final decisive battle against Baby, the ultimately strong enemy who fused Saiya and Tsfrui power, a warrior that exceeded Super Saiyan 3 was needed!! Thus, the staff reached the conclusion of "We have to make 4 appear"!! Incidentally, it was designed with the concept that Super Saiyan 4 "might be the legendary Super Saiyan who appears once every 1,000 years"! Which is why 4 was not the traditional gold color, and became a warrior with a red body!!

http://magikarp46.dyndns.org/dragonball ... t1-38.html

Concerning Vegeta’s Golden Ôzaru then Super Saiyan 4 transformations and what he said years earlier on, Namek I believe that he was speaking from Saiyan lore. Think about it, there was only one recorded in Saiyan history so how could they accurately measure how long it would take for another to appear and how many can emerge at any given time? I think if they would have lived longer King Vegeta and Bardock would have been the two most likely candidates that would have become the Golden Ôzaru of legend.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:09 pm

Thinking about it...I think my LSSJ would have the muscle tone and the moves of Gogeta. For the look, he would be almost white and shine Neon colors. Neon lighting bolts.

Bare with me, kinda like Flash in Justice League Unlimited where he was standing still but his body's outline was move like static.

That would be my LSSJ.

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:35 pm

I could see how it could be SS4; Goku being the legendary super saiyan and vegeta cheating by using the blutz waves to achieve it; because the golden ooazru was what vegeta said was it and then goku took it one step further.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:54 pm

LeprikanGT wrote:vegeta cheating by using the blutz waves

Vegeta did not cheat. Or, if he did, then Goku did too, because he had to have his tail pulled out.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:56 pm

Rocketman wrote:
LeprikanGT wrote:vegeta cheating by using the blutz waves
Vegeta did not cheat. Or, if he did, then Goku did too, because he had to have his tail pulled out.

Pretty much.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:05 pm

Dayspring wrote:Yep! That's what I saw. And so the Super Saiyajin Oozaru is the real Legendary Super Saiyajin?

No. According to anime filler, Legendary SSJ can only be obtained when in Oozaru form. So Golden Oozaru or SSJ4 would be the anime's LSSJ, but... then they let Vegeta do it too, totally debunking themselves again.

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Like some people have said before, there's no cosmic law preventing more than 1 person from becoming a 'Legendary' Super Saiyan. It's just never happened often.

The last one, thousands of years ago or whatever, probably killed everyone in site so no one else got a chance to attain the same sort of power. I mean, imagine of Vegeta had gone SSJ first. I doubt he would have given anyone else a chance to do so too.

Well...maybe if he wanted a challenge (like with Cell).

I like SSJ4's design and I like the idea that it could be the Legendary form spoken of. It makes sense to me. I might have designed it differently if it was me, but I honestly don't think I could top it.

ItsAllGood · Post by **ItsAllGood** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 10:19 pm

Personally, I liked the idea of training to "perfect" the SSJ forms, much like Goku and Gohan did while training in the RoSAT. I mean, it obviously worked because Goku could go up against Cell, while Vegeta and Trunks failed. Question is, why didnt they expand on this in further arcs, instead of fusions and the like?

Now imagine that sort of "Perfection of form" training in his SSJ2 or 3 form, which then unlocks the LSSJ form. I think they're good prerequisites to obtaining the legendary form. At the very least, it wouldnt look like a cheater's way to the top, like the Kai's powerup for Gohan.

Think about it. You've unlocked SSJ 1 2 and 3, and "mastered" all the forms whith then unlocks the Legendary SSJ form. Only fair to grant that sort of power to one who has earned it - correct?

Character wise, I feel that it would have been good to see Goku as a calm but sinister LSSJ, with a behaviour like his SSJ3 form, just colder and more meanacing.

As for a physical look, I think his SSJ2 form but little more bulkier, with no eyebrows and gold hair with the locks of hair down his shoulders, like his SSJ4 form.

Not too over the top, but you get the idea.