What would your "Legendary SSJ" look like?

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:38 pm

ItsAllGood wrote:Personally, I liked the idea of training to "perfect" the SSJ forms, much like Goku and Gohan did while training in the RoSAT. I mean, it obviously worked because Goku could go up against Cell, while Vegeta and Trunks failed. Question is, why didnt they expand on this in further arcs, instead of fusions and the like?

Now imagine that sort of "Perfection of form" training in his SSJ2 or 3 form, which then unlocks the LSSJ form. I think they're good prerequisites to obtaining the legendary form. At the very least, it wouldnt look like a cheater's way to the top, like the Kai's powerup for Gohan.

Think about it. You've unlocked SSJ 1 2 and 3, and "mastered" all the forms whith then unlocks the Legendary SSJ form. Only fair to grant that sort of power to one who has earned it - correct?

Character wise, I feel that it would have been good to see Goku as a calm but sinister LSSJ, with a behaviour like his SSJ3 form, just colder and more meanacing.

As for a physical look, I think his SSJ2 form but little more bulkier, with no eyebrows and gold hair with the locks of hair down his shoulders, like his SSJ4 form.

Not too over the top, but you get the idea.

Perhaps like this:

On the other hand, this Son Gohan image:

With Kakarrot’s hair from this picture:

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:55 am

Saiyan-Professor wrote:

I was thinking about something like that, but I wasn't sure how good gold hair and gold fur together would be. It looks like it could work though, I like how it looks in this image. Maybe tone the muscles down a bit, and make the eyes (pupils/iris anyway) either green or red (red coming from Oozaru, of course).

People sometimes say that SSJ4's magical clothes don't make sense, but plenty of characters within the series have displayed the ability to create clothes and items out of thin air. Piccolo does it quite a lot himself.

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:08 am

Refering to golden ss4 goku; I'm sure if the Gt series went on for a good string of sagas again that ss5 would look like that.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:19 am

I acquired a better shot of the original Legendary Super Saiyan.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:25 am

I thought that was just a Saiyajin. Vegeta was describing something about the first Super Saiyajin having to be in the Oozaru form to use SSJ? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:43 am

Yesssssssss! Thats the pic I've been lookin for saiyan profeesor. ^.^

ItsAllGood · Post by **ItsAllGood** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:56 am

Mmm...getting close Saiyan-Professor, but probably closer to his standard uniform and body definition but with the hair from the third picture - and no eyebrows.

Also, no golden fur - or any fur for that matter. And his tail wrapped around his waist for good measure.

Now, that screenshot of the LSSJ looks like a Oozaru, but didn't most Oozaru's lose their mind when they transformed, (Vegeta being the exception?)

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:34 am

@Itsallgood - Thats why is makes him the legend; he has gold hair in the oozaru form; and he can control his actions during his transformatio.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:58 pm

I found the others that I was looking for as well.

Usingnero · Post by **Usingnero** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:17 pm

Hmm, my idea of the LSSJ? I couldnt really describe it, but some of the idea's are rather cool. All I know is it wouldnt be anything overly flashy (Like Hyper Sonic VS. Super Sonic), something simple, like Frieza's final form.

And after seeing those 'LSSJ' pics from Vegeta's flashback, it really makes me wish Toriyama would make a series of specials chronicaling (sp?) the history of the Saiya-jin's. It'd be awesome seeing this guy in action, and having an actual canon backstory to the race.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:27 pm

ItsAllGood wrote:Now, that screenshot of the LSSJ looks like a Oozaru, but didn't most Oozaru's lose their mind when they transformed, (Vegeta being the exception?)

Well according to the dub (the dub states but the Japanese anime is silent but implies the same notion), Vegeta says that he (the Legendary Super Saiyan) could only maintain the Super Saiyan status in the transformed state. Then he goes on to say that, the Legendary Super Saiyan was too primitive to control it and that his rage was so intense that it consumed him and he was eventually destroyed by his own power.

Then planet explodes:

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:57 pm

That DOES make some sense that Vegeta would be it because he was the one who could control his oozaru form BUT who gives a flip is he was the prince of saiyans...his dad was prince at one time, and his dad before that and so on.

But the more i see the golden oozaru, the more I'm liking it and it should have played a slightly larger part in the show. i would have loved to try him out in a game IF they didnt make him general like raditz/fashsa/bardock/nappa/etc. Their oozarus were just up in the air guessing for moves.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:11 pm

LeprikanGT wrote:That DOES make some sense that Vegeta would be it because he was the one who could control his oozaru form BUT who gives a flip is he was the prince of saiyans...his dad was prince at one time, and his dad before that and so on.

But the more i see the golden oozaru, the more I'm liking it and it should have played a slightly larger part in the show. i would have loved to try him out in a game IF they didnt make him general like raditz/fashsa/bardock/nappa/etc. Their oozarus were just up in the air guessing for moves.

Who's Fasha?

And we don't know what determines Oozaru control. It may be an experience thing. In other words, the more you use Oozaru, the more you're able to control it. Goku only transformed 3 times in his life, while Gohan transformed twice. It sounds like Vegeta would have transformed hundreds of times.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:37 pm

Dayspring wrote:
LeprikanGT wrote:That DOES make some sense that Vegeta would be it because he was the one who could control his oozaru form BUT who gives a flip is he was the prince of saiyans...his dad was prince at one time, and his dad before that and so on.

But the more i see the golden oozaru, the more I'm liking it and it should have played a slightly larger part in the show. i would have loved to try him out in a game IF they didnt make him general like raditz/fashsa/bardock/nappa/etc. Their oozarus were just up in the air guessing for moves.
Who's Fasha?

And we don't know what determines Oozaru control. It may be an experience thing. In other words, the more you use Oozaru, the more you're able to control it. Goku only transformed 3 times in his life, while Gohan transformed twice. It sounds like Vegeta would have transformed hundreds of times.

The same could be said of Bardock and the others but on the Special, they seemed out of control in the same manner as Kakarrot and Son Gohan. All through the series, it appears as if there is something unique about the royal Vegetan bloodline. Now Tarble somewhat calls this into question but then again we do not know whether his story is part of main continuity and what is meant by “no talent for battle” (Did he have power but did not know how to use it properly or was he born weak). Other than the Tarble problem, I would say that Vegeta should have been considered the next Super Saiyan which the first Dragon Ball Z: Budokai and Salagir’s fan manga picked up on. Nevertheless, it seems that Toriyama ignored those facts and made sure that the Son family always came out on top.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:53 pm

Profesor, whenever Bardock and his crew were in Oozaru form, weren't they attacking a rather large amount of people at once? It can be very easily assumed that they were just enjoying rampant destruction, while Vegeta needed to have a level head because he was facing an extremely strong opponent.

Further, the dub is not canon. Fan Fiction is at the same level of canonocity as dub deviations, unless we want to start calling Bardock a brilliant scientist. Also, I don't think the scene implies an Oozaru form was needed. To me, the Oozaru on-screen was just a symbol of a generic Saiya-jin possessing great power.

And, as much as the Bardock special is known and loved, it still never appeared in the original manga run, so the exact details of the special can't be used to show Toriyama's thoughts on the Saiya-jin race.

Was this scene in the manga? Probably not...

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:16 pm

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:Was this scene in the manga? Probably not...

Nope, it was all filler. Vegeta doesn't say much of anything about the Legendary Super Saiyan except the thousand year span, that he had doubts it was real, and that if it was real, he always thought it would be him.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:42 pm

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:Profesor, whenever Bardock and his crew were in Oozaru form, weren't they attacking a rather large amount of people at once? It can be very easily assumed that they were just enjoying rampant destruction, while Vegeta needed to have a level head because he was facing an extremely strong opponent.

Further, the dub is not canon. Fan Fiction is at the same level of canonocity as dub deviations, unless we want to start calling Bardock a brilliant scientist. Also, I don't think the scene implies an Oozaru form was needed. To me, the Oozaru on-screen was just a symbol of a generic Saiya-jin possessing great power.

And, as much as the Bardock special is known and loved, it still never appeared in the original manga run, so the exact details of the special can't be used to show Toriyama's thoughts on the Saiya-jin race.

Was this scene in the manga? Probably not...

I have not seen the special with Japanese subs yet, but in the dub Bardock's comments and their overall actions makes it appear that they were not in control.

I never said that the filler image was in the manga, what I said in a previous post in this thread was that the Golden Ôzaru was “the closest we can come to it officially unless the Daizenshuu tells us otherwise (IMO).” That was the only visual description of the Legendary Super Saiyan we have in main continuity.

The Bardock Special can be taken as somewhat official if your canon is manga only. See: http://www.daizex.com/general/tidbits/bardock.shtml

As I mentioned before Dragonball is too convoluted to say what is canon and what is not. I just mentioned Dragonball Multiverse and the video game to show that perhaps some also realized that things were kind of off in the story.

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:00 pm

Fasha was the american name for the girl in bardocks crew for BT3.

ItsAllGood · Post by **ItsAllGood** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:54 pm

As an observation - I'm not seeing an actual tail in any of those LSSJ pictures, but it still looks rather like an Oozaru.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:14 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote: I have not seen the special with Japanese subs yet, but in the dub Bardock's comments and their overall actions makes it appear that they were not in control.

It doesn't last long enough to tell us anything either way. We see Oozaru Pan Buukin acting pissed when he gets wounded. Apart that, I'll go with Super Ghost Kamikaze's "enjoying rampant destruction" theory. Even Oozaru Vegeta loved torture.