What causes scouters to break?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:44 pm

Pain wrote:Well sorry if this was already said, but one of Freeza's henchmen said that the scouters were never supposed to go above 150,000(Freeza's first form battle power). So this means that power can't be the reason for exploding, unless your power level is 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999, etc.

Freeza's first form battle power was 530,000.

That is either a filler or a dub line.

How does that mean power can't be the reason for exploding, again?

Sprite Satan · Post by **Sprite Satan** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:02 pm

I assume that if someone shows even a minor fluctuation in battle power, the scouter is supposed to pick up on it, if it is 'locked' on that person.

Perhaps the rise, in mere seconds, from (random example) 8,000 to 8,001 to 8,002 and so on up to, say, 20,000 is too many calculations for most scouters to perform, hence the exploding.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:05 pm

I think it's a mix of both.

If they calculate too fast, they explode, if they reach a certain number, they also explode.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:29 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Pain wrote:Well sorry if this was already said, but one of Freeza's henchmen said that the scouters were never supposed to go above 150,000(Freeza's first form battle power). So this means that power can't be the reason for exploding, unless your power level is 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999, etc.
Freeza's first form battle power was 530,000.

That is either a filler or a dub line.

How does that mean power can't be the reason for exploding, again?

That 150,000 was an error on my part. But I think that the calculation speed of the scouter will cause it to explode. Or maybe you're so strong, that you can make the scouter explode on lock/contact.

Sprite Satan · Post by **Sprite Satan** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:33 pm

I'd agree with the "pure power OR a sudden rise in calculation" theory.

It wouldn't be the first time that electrical equipment and technology have been rendered useless or destroyed by high amounts of ki.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:35 pm

Sprite Satan wrote:I'd agree with the "pure power OR a sudden rise in calculation" theory.

It wouldn't be the first time that electrical equipment and technology have been rendered useless or destroyed by high amounts of ki.

You're the first new member on this first that I've seen that makes logical sense. We need more logical people such as yourself.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:03 pm

Sprite Satan wrote:I'd agree with the "pure power OR a sudden rise in calculation" theory.

It wouldn't be the first time that electrical equipment and technology have been rendered useless or destroyed by high amounts of ki.

I was thinking about that myself. Ki causes all sorts of effects and has been shown to interfere with electrical equipment comparable to minovski particles from Gundam.

If a scouter works by measuring this level of interference or something like that, it's easy to imagine that a sudden surge of ki could overload it.

Wojak · Post by **Wojak** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:25 am

Let's say that they get a reading from an insect that has 0,0001 in power. Then in freezes to conserve energy, and it's powerlevel goes down to 1x10^-20 really fast.
The question: If a powerlevel is too low, will the scouter implode?

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:25 am

Wojak wrote:Let's say that they get a reading from an insect that has 0,0001 in power. Then in freezes to conserve energy, and it's powerlevel goes down to 1x10^-20 really fast.
The question: If a powerlevel is too low, will the scouter implode?

My mind = blown.

Wojak · Post by **Wojak** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:11 am

Rocketman wrote: I don't get the question.

What I mean, to put it simply: Piccolo killed Radditz with a blow to his head. Radditz then died instantly. His head got crushed.
On the other hand, the scouter just got some minor mechanical damages that Bulma could fix.
It seems like that the scouter's shell is harder than Radditz's head.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:43 pm

Wojak wrote:
Rocketman wrote: I don't get the question.
What I mean, to put it simply: Piccolo killed Radditz with a blow to his head. Radditz then died instantly. His head got crushed.
On the other hand, the scouter just got some minor mechanical damages that Bulma could fix.
It seems like that the scouter's shell is harder than Radditz's head.

That kikoha was pretty damn weak (it didn't even form an energy ball). It didn't shatter his skull like you're implying. In fact, if not for the cracked ground around Radditz's head, I would have taken Piccolo's following comment to mean that he stopped before attacking.

It's entirely possible that the blast never even touched the scouter.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:45 pm

Wojak wrote:What I mean, to put it simply: Piccolo killed Radditz with a blow to his head. Radditz then died instantly. His head got crushed.
On the other hand, the scouter just got some minor mechanical damages that Bulma could fix.
It seems like that the scouter's shell is harder than Radditz's head.

Oh. I always thought he broke Raditz's neck.

Wojak · Post by **Wojak** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:51 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Wojak wrote:What I mean, to put it simply: Piccolo killed Radditz with a blow to his head. Radditz then died instantly. His head got crushed.
On the other hand, the scouter just got some minor mechanical damages that Bulma could fix.
It seems like that the scouter's shell is harder than Radditz's head.
Oh. I always thought he broke Raditz's neck.

Really? If he specifically broke his neck, why are there even cracks all around Radditz's body?
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read ... 75/page.7/

Dayspring wrote: That kikoha was pretty damn weak (it didn't even form an energy ball). It didn't shatter his skull like you're implying. In fact, if not for the cracked ground around Radditz's head, I would have taken Piccolo's following comment to mean that he stopped before attacking.

It's entirely possible that the blast never even touched the scouter.

See above response to Rocketman.
I guess it was weak, yes. But in the end, this means that the scouter is stronger than the ground.
Still, he had to have hit him evenly. As you see in the link above, the cracks are even.

For comparision how the ground looked before the attack:
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read ... 75/page.6/

Note:
I haven't got my manga here, as they are in another country. If you want, I can replace the links with chapter numbers.

EDIT: Of course I take back the comment about the hit being given to Radditz's head.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:04 pm

Wojak wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
Wojak wrote:What I mean, to put it simply: Piccolo killed Radditz with a blow to his head. Radditz then died instantly. His head got crushed.
On the other hand, the scouter just got some minor mechanical damages that Bulma could fix.
It seems like that the scouter's shell is harder than Radditz's head.
Oh. I always thought he broke Raditz's neck.
Really? If he specifically broke his neck, why are there even cracks all around Radditz's body?
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read ... 75/page.7/
Dayspring wrote: That kikoha was pretty damn weak (it didn't even form an energy ball). It didn't shatter his skull like you're implying. In fact, if not for the cracked ground around Radditz's head, I would have taken Piccolo's following comment to mean that he stopped before attacking.

It's entirely possible that the blast never even touched the scouter.
See above response to Rocketman.
I guess it was weak, yes. But in the end, this means that the scouter is stronger than the ground.
Still, he had to have hit him evenly. As you see in the link above, the cracks are even.

For comparision how the ground looked before the attack:
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read ... 75/page.6/

Note:
I haven't got my manga here, as they are in another country. If you want, I can replace the links with chapter numbers.

EDIT: Of course I take back the comment about the hit being given to Radditz's head.

Exactly: cracks all around his body. He himself isn't even bleeding. The pic itself still shows that his head is clearly intact, not shattered.

And yeah, seeing how little damage was done to the ground (minor cracking, without so much as a small ditch?), it gives off the impression that Goku's first ever kamehameha from the Pilaf arc was stronger than Piccolo's attack. It seems more like it was one last kiss off to Radditz, which explains why the scouter only had minor damage.

Like shoving a nerd head-first into the lockers, causing the glasses to bend, but leaving the lense intact. Or like a balloon and something bad happens.

Wojak · Post by **Wojak** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:43 pm

Okay, that seems right.
The nerd thing happens too when I throw them into lockers.

Another (very far-fetched theory): Piccolo's ki attack may also have been an exploding kind, in that it made internal damage instead of external. So the scouter became damaged on the inside, and Radditz's brain became jelly. And the chi then travelled outside and produced cracks on the ground.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:21 pm

Wojak wrote:Okay, that seems right.
The nerd thing happens too when I throw them into lockers.

Another (very far-fetched theory): Piccolo's ki attack may also have been an exploding kind, in that it made internal damage instead of external. So the scouter became damaged on the inside, and Radditz's brain became jelly. And the chi then travelled outside and produced cracks on the ground.

Personally I think it was just done to aggravate the massive wound done to his internal organs.