Biggest French DBZ news-update: DBZ 1-117.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:50 pm

SonGokuGT wrote:Sounds good. I hope that the video and audio quality are up to par with the DragonBox or at least the Spanish releases.

For Frances sake I too hope that these have good quality, but based on what they got for the movies I really, really doubt it.

Here is a bunch of Dragonbox and French release screenshot comparisons: http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.p ... 220#119220 (just scroll down a bit)

And here is a French release and Funi standard DVD double feature screenshot comparison: http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.p ... 743#178743

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:49 am

Here's some news from the remastering process of the 117 episodes for Box 1 of DBZ.
Hey all.
We've already "treated" 48 episodes completely.
It's going very well, because the french dub on the 16 mm sources is very, very little censored. The censored parts are very rare and short, and the work's going faster than anticipated! But please note, this is based on the first 48 episodes, we don't know for the rest, since the 16 mm source from S.O.F.I always have positive or negative surprises. The team's gonna start/attac the fird lot of 24 episodes. We're in the middle of authoring the dvds and making menus which are very nice and go well with the episodes in question. A team of fans will take care of the subs. When it comes to authoring and encoding it'll also be left for real fans who have proven their capabilities before. I can't tell you more right now since this project is very complex, to realize. But I think that it'll be very likely to have a release before or around summer 2009, but the distribution vagaries make it impossible to give more precise dates.
At the moment we're at the design part of the product, and that takes a lot of constant work, like you can imagine....

Matoumalin wrote:Bonjour à toutes et à tous,
Je vous donne des nouvelles de la remasterisation des 117 épisodes du box 1 DBZ.
Nous avons déjà traité 48 épisodes complets. Cela se passe très bien, d'autant que la VF sur 16mm est très très peu censurée. Les coupes sont très rares et courtes et les travaux avancent plus vite que prévu ! Mais attention, c'est un avis sur les 48 premiers, nous ne savons pas pour la suite, étant donné que les 16mm magnétiques de la S.O.F.I. révèlent toujours leur lot de surprises bonnes ou mauvaises. L'équipe attaque un troisième lot de 24 épisodes. Nous sommes en pleine conception de l'authoring et des menus DVD qui seront très sympathiques et complètement dans l'esprit du programme. Une équipe de passionnés va s'occuper du sous-titrage de la série. Quand à l'authoring et à l'encodage, il seront confiés également à des passionnés qui ont déjà fait leurs preuves... Je ne peux vous en dire plus pour le moment étant donné que ce projet est très complexe à mettre en place. Mais je pense qu'une sortie avant l'été 2009 est tout à fait envisageable, mais les aléas de la distribution des produits font qu'il est difficile de donner des dates plus précises... Pour le moment nous en sommes à la conception du produit, et cela demande un travail énorme et constant, comme vous vous en doutez...

@très vite, cordialement, Florent.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:09 pm

Very little censored? So, these are almost not-uncut? *is confused*

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:10 pm

bkev wrote:Very little censored? So, these are almost not-uncut? *is confused*

If you say "almost uncut" you have it. The sources vary from episode to episode.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:37 pm

sangofe wrote:
bkev wrote:Very little censored? So, these are almost not-uncut? *is confused*
If you say "almost uncut" you have it. The sources vary from episode to episode.

Why censor anything?

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:16 pm

Wow, I think that France might very well be getting worse releases of the series and the movies than us; both in footage quality and in content.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:24 pm

Shouldn't they just buy new masterS? :/

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:04 am

bkev wrote:Shouldn't they just buy new masterS? :/

And you think AB wants to?

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:55 am

sangofe wrote:
bkev wrote:Shouldn't they just buy new masterS? :/
And you think AB wants to?

Has France had any other releases of these episodes? If this is all they've ever gotten then I'm sure that the buyers are pretty happy with just having these episodes. If they've had some high quality releases to compare these to than I'd expect some negative reactions to this boxset and AB looking into buying better masters.

It all boils down to "what are the reactions of the French buyers to this release"?

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:14 am

SSj_Rambo wrote:
sangofe wrote:
bkev wrote:Shouldn't they just buy new masterS? :/
And you think AB wants to?
Has France had any other releases of these episodes? If this is all they've ever gotten then I'm sure that the buyers are pretty happy with just having these episodes. If they've had some high quality releases to compare these to than I'd expect some negative reactions to this boxset and AB looking into buying better masters.

It all boils down to "what are the reactions of the French buyers to this release"?

Tons of cut french-dub releases.
The reactions are very good, as it's the first time AB's tried to do something positive about the Dragonball license (well, it started with the movie boxes).
Who knows, the remastering might look good in the end, and to me, it's not so annoying to have the japanese version with subs where the dub is cut because I know they'll never redub anything. Heck, I hope they paste in japanese screams where possible. This got frequently done in the french dub anyway.

Shenron · Post by **Shenron** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:14 am

It all boils down to "what are the reactions of the French buyers to this release"?

Dragonball, and DBZ have a very particular status.

First, it's a "nostalgic" series, because it first aired 20 years ago in France. People who liked to watch it then, but are not really "fans", may think that since it's "old", the quality doesn't matter, and the actual boxes are enough.
In the same time, these people don't give a damn about the Japanese version.

Then, you have to know that DB and DBZ are still airing. 2 or 3 TV Networks always broadcast either DB, DBZ or DBGT. Heck, this morning I've seen Coolas' return and an episode of Dragonball !
It means that, for some people, DBZ is no different than Naruto or Bleach, even if they know it's older. They may buy these boxes, but why would they since they can watch the show for free ?

My opinion is that DBZ fans will buy this release if the quality is good, but since I don't think it's gonna be cheap, non-fans will prefer the old release, without the sub.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:18 pm

Shenron wrote:non-fans will prefer the old release, without the sub.

And you have the fans like me, that are nostalgic about the french dub voices, want the dub uncut, and love the ultimate "insert-japanese-scream-scenes" ^^

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:24 pm

So, was the dub originally produced uncut? I'm a little confused now.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:51 pm

bkev wrote:So, was the dub originally produced uncut? I'm a little confused now.

Some episodes yes, some not.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:06 pm

This sounds like podcast news!

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 4:58 am

Forgotten Hero wrote:This sounds like podcast news!

Yeah, but most americans, (including Mike?) seem to not care about this.
I already e-mailed him to point out about this topic.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:32 am

So..wait.

This release will have edited footage?

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:36 am

sangofe wrote:
Forgotten Hero wrote:This sounds like podcast news!
Yeah, but most americans, (including Mike?) seem to not care about this.
I already e-mailed him to point out about this topic.

I think cares enough to mention it. I think he will.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:50 am

sangofe wrote:
Now, with the TV series, even if we've had the 16 mm film masters with the original version
(which isn't the case, after 15 yeras) it would have been impossible to send it all
to get it "telecinemated"... (have no idea what english word would be)

Télécinéma is probably the French word for “telecine,” which is the process of transferring a film source (cinema) to another video format (usually television).

sangofe wrote:
A team of fans will take care of the subs. When it comes to authoring and encoding it'll also be left for real fans who have proven their capabilities before.

I think this is probably one of the coolest pieces of news regarding this project. It takes a trusting company to put important jobs like these in the hands of fans. Unless they just mean people who were already employed with them, and happen to be fans of the series… ?

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 2:41 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:So..wait.

This release will have edited footage?

I'm tired of repeating myself. Go read the earlier replies in this topic, and the other topic I made about DBZ situation in France.