Where Do the Saiyans Come From?

[Terra-jin]

Well, ok not that well-known then. But still, five people on one planet and nobody from within an empire that spans at least 79 planets?

[Saiyan-Professor]

Well, ok not that well-known then. But still, five people on one planet and nobody from within an empire that spans at least 79 planets?

That is not strange because out of the known galaxy at the time the only ones that could adjust their combat power to either masque their true strength or increase it were the Nameks/Nameccians, Freeza, Ginyu, the Z-Senshi and General Rilld if you count GT. I am not sure about the fighters on the Dai Kaiô-sama’s planet but they dwell in a different dimension so it really does not matter.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

Well, ok not that well-known then. But still, five people on one planet and nobody from within an empire that spans at least 79 planets?

That is not strange because out of the known galaxy at the time the only ones that could adjust their combat power to either masque their true strength or increase it were the Nameks/Nameccians, Freeza, Ginyu, the Z-Senshi and General Rilld if you count GT. I am not sure about the fighters on the Dai Kaiô-sama’s planet but they dwell in a different dimension so it really does not matter.

Freeza's power level control was different from Frieza's. Frieza more or less burst out different "levels" of power, there wasn't much of a subtlety or conscious effort behind it. It's just that the transformations came with a certain power level.

Also, it didn't seem to me that Ginyu had any ability to control or conceal his Ki.

[Rocketman]

Also, it didn't seem to me that Ginyu had any ability to control or conceal his Ki.

He can, as he tells Goku he can right before Vegeta ditches him.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

I'm going to have to re-read some Namek manga or buy the next two season sets. My Frieza-era memory seems to be bad.

I suppose Ginyu would have picked up the technique from SOMEBODY after switching bodies so many times?

[Dayspring]

Ginyu even gives off the impression that he can read and sense PLs, too, just not as good as Krillin and the others.

[Forgotten Hero]

Ginyu even gives off the impression that he can read and sense PLs, too, just not as good as Krillin and the others.

I disagree. I think that his knowledge and understanding of Ki and Chi is just good. He understands that beings like Goku can suppress his power or rise his power instantly (Kaio-Ken).

[Saiyan-Professor]

Well, ok not that well-known then. But still, five people on one planet and nobody from within an empire that spans at least 79 planets?

That is not strange because out of the known galaxy at the time the only ones that could adjust their combat power to either masque their true strength or increase it were the Nameks/Nameccians, Freeza, Ginyu, the Z-Senshi and General Rilld if you count GT. I am not sure about the fighters on the Dai Kaiô-sama’s planet but they dwell in a different dimension so it really does not matter.

Freeza's power level control was different from Freeza's. Freeza more or less burst out different "levels" of power, there wasn't much of a subtlety or conscious effort behind it. It's just that the transformations came with a certain power level.

Also, it didn't seem to me that Ginyu had any ability to control or conceal his Ki.

Before I proceed any further, how do you define suppressing one’s combat power?

[Captain Awesome]

Before I proceed any further, how do you define suppressing one’s combat power?

I would define it as dropping your Ki any lower than your natural resting state, however some characters unable to control their Ki seem to be able to increase it above this, but this may just be an example of them concentrating it into one spot..so whatever.

[Terra-jin]

If you're talking about Freeza raising his powerlevel, I'd say that's not because he concentrates his normal level, but because he uses more of it progressively. If Freeza were able to concentrate his already ridiculous amount of 120,000,000, Goku would've had much more trouble

[Saiyan-Professor]

Before I proceed any further, how do you define suppressing one’s combat power?

I would define it as dropping your Ki any lower than your natural resting state, however some characters unable to control their Ki seem to be able to increase it above this, but this may just be an example of them concentrating it into one spot..so whatever.

I understand I was taking it in the general sense of “suppression” so that is why I counted Freeza. Because when he reverts to any of his lower forms, he is essentially suppressing or diminishing his combat power.

[Yasai-R-Mighty]

Considering that there's a tad bit possible that Vegeta might have been a virgin up until his early 30s, and a tomato red blushing Chichi, probably had to explain everything to Goku in detail, possibly even using graphic hand gestures as a visual aid........My guess would be the stork brings them!

Seriously though, as everybody here knows, the most excepted idea is that they're not indigenous to the planet plant, and that they eventually annihilated the Tsufuru, and took it for themselves. Whether they came in a ship or little pods it doesn't really matter to me. What bothers me is that, this inconsistent with the episode in Dragonball z, where it implies that they were native to plant. To me that would have made the most sense, since they had such a primitive life style, prior to winning the war against the Tsufuru.

The most common scenario just doesn't fit as well, so they were space cavemen? Where did they get the ship from? Was the planet they lived in prior to plant, their original planet or had they been moving from planet to planet for thousands of years when ever they felt a move was needed? Did they ever come up with their own technological advancements, or did they always steel? Judging by their behavior you'd think the latter fit. So then how and when did they become a space faring race? Did someone see their potential for destruction, and gave the the technology in exchange for their aid in a war, very much like what happened after the Tsufuru, and their joining with Freeza? How about this little crackpot theory of mine? Maybe the saiyan species didn't evolve naturally, but was actually created to be weapons at one time, they seem a bit volatile to have gotten passed natural selection to me. Now don't take this as a serious theory, I'm just trying to prove a point, that the saiyan origins leaves a lot of lose ends and you can come up with a lot of crazy possibilities, it's kind of annoying.

[SaiyaMel]

The most common scenario just doesn't fit as well, so they were space cavemen?

I've been thinking that after being transported to Plant (I believe they were brought there by some higher, more technically advanced civilization) either they were arrived there that way or they returned to like a feral state.

I've also pondered about the possibility of them being originally created as weapons.

[Dayspring]

The most common scenario just doesn't fit as well, so they were space cavemen?

I've been thinking that after being transported to Plant (I believe they were brought there by some higher, more technically advanced civilization) either they were arrived there that way or they returned to like a feral state.

I've also pondered about the possibility of them being originally created as weapons.

I always figured the ship would be from an invading/visiting alien race to the Saiyan homeworld. The aliens get killed, and then a bunch of Saiyans pressed a bunch of buttons, launching them to planet Plant. From there, create an OVA/Z-filler hybrid to your liking.

[SaiyaMel]

Hmmm... that also works.

[Dayspring]

Hmmm... that also works.

Since I prefer the "Saiyans are the only indegenous humanoids on planet Vegeta and that's all there is to it" theory, you can pretend you came up with the idea if you want.

[SaiyaMel]

Hmmm... that also works.

Since I prefer the "Saiyans are the only indegenous humanoids on planet Vegeta and that's all there is to it" theory, you can pretend you came up with the idea if you want.

Don't get me wrong - I prefer the idea of the Saiyans being indigenous to Plant, myself. Ironically years ago when I was still an noob to DB,, I came up with a theory that the Saiyans were the original humanoid inhabitants on Plant, with the Tsufuls immagrating there from some other world.

Just that with all of what's said stating otherwise in the Daizenshuu, OVA and GT (as much as I look down on it) - I'm kinda forced to go along with them being immigrants to Plant themselves...

[Dayspring]

Hmmm... that also works.

Since I prefer the "Saiyans are the only indegenous humanoids on planet Vegeta and that's all there is to it" theory, you can pretend you came up with the idea if you want.

Don't get me wrong - I prefer the idea of the Saiyans being indigenous to Plant, myself. Ironically years ago when I was still an noob to DB,, I came up with a theory that the Saiyans were the original humanoid inhabitants on Plant, with the Tsufuls immagrating there from some other world.

Just that with all of what's said stating otherwise in the Daizenshuu, OVA and GT (as much as I look down on it) - I'm kinda forced to go along with them being immigrants to Plant themselves...

Remember: the daizenshuu is just sourcing the OVA. Meanwhile, the OVA doesn't fit into the series AT ALL.

[Saiyan-Professor]

Since I prefer the "Saiyans are the only indegenous humanoids on planet Vegeta and that's all there is to it" theory, you can pretend you came up with the idea if you want.

Don't get me wrong - I prefer the idea of the Saiyans being indigenous to Plant, myself. Ironically years ago when I was still an noob to DB,, I came up with a theory that the Saiyans were the original humanoid inhabitants on Plant, with the Tsufuls immagrating there from some other world.

Just that with all of what's said stating otherwise in the Daizenshuu, OVA and GT (as much as I look down on it) - I'm kinda forced to go along with them being immigrants to Plant themselves...

Remember: the daizenshuu is just sourcing the OVA. Meanwhile, the OVA doesn't fit into the series AT ALL.

Yeah and Z’s story is off as well since Kaiô-sama said that the planet’s Kami destroyed Planet Plant/Vegeta but later Toriyama revealed it was Freeza.

[SaiyaMel]

Though there's a logical and fitting explanation to that... Kaio-sama knew that Kakkarot would be eager in confronting Freeza, and didn't want him to. He does warn him later on to stay away from him once Kak found out about Freeza.