"I will get my revenge, Kakkarot!"

Wojak · Post by **Wojak** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:38 am

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:
Thanos6 wrote: raise the kids from scratch.
Or drop them all headfirst into ravines.
Boy, you people are no better than Saiyans with that attitude. Looks like someone been watching Quigley Down Under.

Um, Grandpa Gohan dropped Goku into a ravine. That would be easier to do than raise a Saiyan child from scratch.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:05 am

Wojak wrote:Um, Grandpa Gohan dropped Goku into a ravine. That would be easier to do than raise a Saiyan child from scratch.

I laughed at the image of Grampa Gohan just tossin' Saiyan babies off a cliff.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:59 am

Wojak wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote: Or drop them all headfirst into ravines.
Boy, you people are no better than Saiyans with that attitude. Looks like someone been watching Quigley Down Under.
Um, Grandpa Gohan dropped Goku into a ravine. That would be easier to do than raise a Saiyan child from scratch.

Did he purposely do it or was it an accident?

Wojak · Post by **Wojak** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:37 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Wojak wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote: Boy, you people are no better than Saiyans with that attitude. Looks like someone been watching Quigley Down Under.
Um, Grandpa Gohan dropped Goku into a ravine. That would be easier to do than raise a Saiyan child from scratch.
Did he purposely do it or was it an accident?

Accident.
I think Goku was being hard to do with, and while taking a walk in the forest, Goku fell into the ravine, bumping his head (Goku even says that he has a scar from that). This lead to a brain damage to the emotion center of Goku's brain, making him kind like an ordinary Earthling baby.

Goku was like Grandpa Gohan's own child. I doubt that he would throw Goku into the ravine.

SaiyaMel · Post by **SaiyaMel** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:44 pm

Gohan, Trunks and Goten might have been born aggressive and mean like Kakkarot was, but were wished with the DBs to removed them of that trait.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:48 pm

SaiyaMel wrote:Gohan, Trunks and Goten might have been born aggressive and mean like Kakkarot was, but were wished with the DBs to removed them of that trait.

Eh, wha? Where did that come from?

SaiyaMel · Post by **SaiyaMel** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:30 pm

No where. Just a plausible idea.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:38 pm

SaiyaMel · Post by **SaiyaMel** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:34 pm

Well it seems sort of strange to me thinking non of the Saiyan hybrids inherited that trait (baby Kakkarot's proof that Saiyans are naturally inclined to be aggressive, violent and volatile) - since Gohan inherited the tail along with many other Saiyan characteristics...

Terra-jin · Post by **Terra-jin** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:17 am

You can also attribute the violent behaviour to the programming Goku received during his trip to Earth (KILL! KILL! KILL!). That'd make anyone pretty aggressive

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:34 pm

Terra-jin wrote:You can also attribute the violent behaviour to the programming Goku received during his trip to Earth (KILL! KILL! KILL!). That'd make anyone pretty aggressive

I forgot all about the brainwashing that takes on the way to whatever planet they are sent to, I wonder how Tarble avoided its affects that is if his pod was the same as everyone else’s.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:50 pm

Brainwashing en route? What're y'all talking about?

Sprite Satan · Post by **Sprite Satan** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:56 pm

Rocketman wrote:Brainwashing en route? What're y'all talking about?

I think it's animé-only so I (you) wouldn't worry about it.

Basically, when in the pods they travel in as babies, they get lines like "Kill kill kill!" fed at them until they land. So that they're all psyched-up and ready to blast some puny inhabitants when they arrive.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:17 pm

Sprite Satan wrote:
Rocketman wrote:Brainwashing en route? What're y'all talking about?
I think it's animé-only so I (you) wouldn't worry about it.

Basically, when in the pods they travel in as babies, they get lines like "Kill kill kill!" fed at them until they land. So that they're all psyched-up and ready to blast some puny inhabitants when they arrive.

The only example of this I can think of is the "Oopse, we blew up Goku's ship but he's supposed to use it in the next saga...!" episode. Where the ship that Goku came to Earth in randomly kicked on and made Gohan... ur.... Fight Piccolo.

Yasai-R-Mighty · Post by **Yasai-R-Mighty** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:32 pm

Horgus wrote:
Thanos6 wrote: Watch the Bardock movie, the soundtrack where Freeza's death ball cracks the crust of planet Vegeta is absolutely heart breaking.

Tell me that isn't a tragedy.

Oh it was! Every a planet where humanoid is life is habitable must have a great diversity of different species. I'm sure there were some really adorable critters that went extinct, as well as some really cool cacti looking tree that probably had a very sweet juice, inside them!....Sorry couldn't help it.

Actually I do think it was a tragedy, the death of an entire planet rich in life is a mournful event, whatever the case, I might have said it jokingly, but you're talking about millions of species going extinct. As for the saiyans themselves they might have been mostly evil, but you can really generalize every single individual, from a sentient species. I think it's waste. Then again as big a fan I am of the saiyans a fictional race, I'd be breathing a sigh for relief if they were real. The universe would be a slightly gentler place in their absence as sad as it is.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:25 pm

Yasai-R-Mighty wrote:
Horgus wrote:
Thanos6 wrote: Watch the Bardock movie, the soundtrack where Freeza's death ball cracks the crust of planet Vegeta is absolutely heart breaking.

Tell me that isn't a tragedy.
Oh it was! Every a planet where humanoid is life is habitable must have a great diversity of different species. I'm sure there were some really adorable critters that went extinct, as well as some really cool cacti looking tree that probably had a very sweet juice, inside them!....Sorry couldn't help it.

Actually I do think it was a tragedy, the death of an entire planet rich in life is a mournful event, whatever the case, I might have said it jokingly, but you're talking about millions of species going extinct. As for the saiyans themselves they might have been mostly evil, but you can really generalize every single individual, from a sentient species. I think it's waste. Then again as big a fan I am of the saiyans a fictional race, I'd be breathing a sigh for relief if they were real. The universe would be a slightly gentler place in their absence as sad as it is.

The universe would be a lot gentler for about 5 minutes until Freeza shows up and do what the Saiyans would have done 5 minutes earlier. The Saiyans were a problem but they were not the root cause of all the violence.

Yasai-R-Mighty · Post by **Yasai-R-Mighty** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:04 am

Saiyan-Professor wrote: The universe would be a lot gentler for about 5 minutes until Freeza shows up and do what the Saiyans would have done 5 minutes earlier. The Saiyans were a problem but they were not the root cause of all the violence.

Well when Freeza was at last dispatched by mirai Trunks, the universe was even more gentler place still, and I'm sure you can appreciate the poetic justice of it being the son of the saiyan prince that did the deed. :p

I'm not saying that they were the source of all the violence, but come on be honest supposing saiyans were real, and you're not one of them, wouldn't you be glad that they're gone? If Freeza wasn't around, I think they might have been conducting a similar business, as the planet trade either that, or conquering planets for technology and slaves. Didn't the king (whom I think is totally awesome by the way) say something along the line of, "If we can defeat Freeza then I can take my rightful place as ruler of the universe"?

SaiyaMel · Post by **SaiyaMel** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:35 pm

caejones wrote:
Sprite Satan wrote:
Rocketman wrote:Brainwashing en route? What're y'all talking about?
I think it's animé-only so I (you) wouldn't worry about it.

Basically, when in the pods they travel in as babies, they get lines like "Kill kill kill!" fed at them until they land. So that they're all psyched-up and ready to blast some puny inhabitants when they arrive.
The only example of this I can think of is the "Oopse, we blew up Goku's ship but he's supposed to use it in the next saga...!" episode. Where the ship that Goku came to Earth in randomly kicked on and made Gohan... ur.... Fight Piccolo.

I'm going to selectively dismiss that filler for that unexplainable reason, and say Saiyans are born that way..

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:04 pm

SaiyaMel wrote:
caejones wrote:
Sprite Satan wrote: I think it's animé-only so I (you) wouldn't worry about it.

Basically, when in the pods they travel in as babies, they get lines like "Kill kill kill!" fed at them until they land. So that they're all psyched-up and ready to blast some puny inhabitants when they arrive.
The only example of this I can think of is the "Oopse, we blew up Goku's ship but he's supposed to use it in the next saga...!" episode. Where the ship that Goku came to Earth in randomly kicked on and made Gohan... ur.... Fight Piccolo.
I'm going to selectively dismiss that filler for that unexplainable reason, and say Saiyans are born that way..

I understand what you are saying but it is hard for me to believe that there was a (fictional) planet of beings born with dissocial personality disorder. The pod brainwashing or something similar would explain how Vegeta and Tarble was able to change their ways because if all the Saiyans were born without a conscience then the two mentioned previously would not be able to make the corrections in their behavior that occurred in the series. I would go as far as to say that it would be impossible because we are talking about DNA.

kaioken12 · Post by **kaioken12** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:46 pm

That's an interesting point.
I always thought of the Saiyans more like a brutal and proud warrior race, who came into contact with Freezer and liked the challenge of a battle - so they joined him and conquered planets.

But I never thought that they were nothing more than mindless monsters that just love to slaughter people for blood thurst.

At any rate I think that every Saiyan has some kind of conscience or something... they are just not as peaceful as earthlings... but also they are not just a bunch of psychopaths that are as evil as Freezer or Piccolo Daimao...

So even Vegeta changing as soon as he finally learns how it is to show mercy, to have a family, to have real friends and so on... seems to me more like he has just never learned these things before and therefore behaves still cocky and proud in the end, but... yeah... he's "normal" in a way...

Hard to explain for me, but I hope you understand my point. Like Saiyan-Professor I think it's not a DNA-related thing ^^