Dragonball Movie to Do Reshoots

[Acid_Reign]

I guess I don’t understand this whole “like we’ve been told” thing. I’ve been following this for a while, too, and I don’t recall “naturally strong and talented” or “living and training in the wilderness” ever coming up at all. If you can post some sources, I’ll gladly change my stance though, because unlike the high school, I actually want those things to happen.

Maybe it's MY house!

The house is indeed yours, like we’ve been told.

[Kaboom]

I guess I don’t understand this whole “like we’ve been told” thing. I’ve been following this for a while, too, and I don’t recall “naturally strong and talented” or “living and training in the wilderness” ever coming up at all. If you can post some sources, I’ll gladly change my stance though, because unlike the high school, I actually want those things to happen.

I'll see what I can dig up.

As far as where Goku and Gohan live, all we have to go by is Gohan's character description:

Movie description: Goku’s kindly, wise grandfather, he looks like he’s in his 70s but moves like Jet Li. An accomplished martial artist who trains Goku on the bow staff, he loves his grandson...

That tells us he's an old-looking dude who raises and trains his grandson Goku in martial arts, especially the bow staff. Then we get the picture of Goku and an old dude flipping around and sparring with bow staffs. That's Gohan. The setting is a rustic old house's yard, by a river in a beautiful, mountainous region. Until we get shown a picture of some apartment or suburban house and get told, "this is where Goku and Gohan live," that's all plenty more than enough evidence to assume the setting in the picture is where Goku and Gohan live.

About Goku's strength, some of the original character descriptions, the blurbs announced way back:

Movie description: 18 years old, Goku is considered uncool and unpopular at school, but he is in fact an extremely talented martial arts fighter who gets rigorous training from his grandfather, Gohan.

There's the accursed high school thing, but after that, it describes the important part: his martial arts prowess. That's an "is." You don't suddenly "discover" that you're a strong and talented martial artist. He probably doesn't get taught how to properly channel and/or use ki until he trains with Roshi. The extent of his initial superhuman strength is unknown, but others have suggested it's pretty prominent.

She has studied martial arts and has always suspected that Goku possesses talents that are unusual and extraordinary.

Other characters detect that Goku's already something above and beyond the rest of them. Only one of them eventually recognizes why, though.

Crafty and smart, Piccolo has some disturbing news for Goku, namely that the boy is actually a Saiyan who’s destined to join Piccolo as his right hand in destroying and enslaving the planet…

Something about Goku catches Piccolo's attention, and brings him to realize his Saiyan origins. Since he doesn't seem to act like any typical Saiyan, what else could it be but his superhuman strength?

Those are just from the original character descriptions, and already they give a pretty good idea. Later on after my class is done, I'll go through the various interviews and press releases and see what else I can dig up.

[TheGreatness25]

... So? The same can be said for Liu Kang in Mortal Kombat the movie. And why is Gohan still alive? So Goku didn't turn into a Giant Ape and stomped him huh? Oh and I suppose Goku doesn't have a tail. Oh so Goku's not a Saiyan is he? Yeah. This movie just basically used the Manga as script, now didn't it?

[Chrono Trigger]

I love how the main people against the movie know next to nothing about it. It takes 2 seconds to do a little research. I mean if you're gonna be against something at least be accurate about it. You can't just look at a handful of pictures and read a few sarcastic ass comments on a message board and then think that's enough.

[Kaboom]

The same can be said for Liu Kang in Mortal Kombat the movie. And why is Gohan still alive? So Goku didn't turn into a Giant Ape and stomped him huh? Oh and I suppose Goku doesn't have a tail. Oh so Goku's not a Saiyan is he? Yeah. This movie just basically used the Manga as script, now didn't it?

Liu Kang is just a trained human martial artist more akin to Kuririn; He doesn't get his strength from alien ancestry. Gohan is alive for a little longer than he was in the manga, and they decided to have Piccolo kill him to tie his death more into the movie's plot. No, we haven't seen Goku with a tail, probably because it would look silly on Mr. Chatwin, but it's entirely possible, nay, apparent, that they've worked around it and allow him to transform without it. Goku is very much a Saiyan, no less than he was in the series after his tail was permanently removed. Actually no, it didn't use the manga as a script. As much as that probably would have aroused some people, it's a little more creative than that.

[VegettoEX]

Soooo... locking? Prove me wrong.

[Bardock the Mexican]

I love how the main people against the movie know next to nothing about it. It takes 2 seconds to do a little research. I mean if you're gonna be against something at least be accurate about it. You can't just look at a handful of pictures and read a few sarcastic ass comments on a message board and then think that's enough.

Turn the clock back two threads ago. I did somthing like that and probably started this whole "anti movie" thing. The rest of the blame is rightfully placed on the folks at FOX who made the decision to shoot the film the way they did. The anti movie side is no more wrong or right than the pro side as you may like the way the movie looks, but some do not. There is a good amount ot evidence that they (FOX) adhered to the general 'feel' of the Dragonball series, but at the same time didn't serve up to the feel of the original. I guess you can't do what they do in manga or anime in real life action flicks. This is all my opinion, of course.

[Kaboom]

Soooo... locking? Prove me wrong.

So far we're doing pretty good. Easy on that trigger finger for the time being.

[Chrono Trigger]

Turn the clock back two threads ago. I did somthing like that and probably started this whole "anti movie" thing. The rest of the blame is rightfully placed on the folks at FOX who made the decision to shoot the film the way they did. The anti movie side is no more wrong or right than the pro side as you may like the way the movie looks, but some do not. There is a good amount ot evidence that they (FOX) adhered to the general 'feel' of the Dragonball series, but at the same time didn't serve up to the feel of the original. I guess you can't do what they do in manga or anime in real life action flicks. This is all my opinion, of course.

I mean...I was just saying that people should at least try to educate themselves about something before they hate it or give a complaint about it. Like someone will be like "Oh they didn't even put "this" in the movie" and someone else will be like "Uh yeah they did." and give a source and the complainer will say "Oh! I didn't know that..." I hope that makes sense. I can't think of a better way to put it.

[TheGreatness25]

It's just a friendly argument. As long as mud doesn't get slung around, I'd say it's fine.

Anyways!

So, when a movie company goes completely against the story, it's called being creative. When FUNimation does it in their script and changes the music, it's called being stupid, moronic, and completely against the "feeling" of the Dragon Ball series? Now why is that? And as far as your "research" goes, you might as well be barking in the dark. They don't even have an official website yet! All the info you're getting doesn't prove to be 100%. I don't care if you get your info from Wikipedia or IMDB. Quite frankly, before Batman Begins came out, I read the ENTIRE SCRIPT to it off moviespoilers.net and guess what. There were some big changes there. Now until you read the script, or you get news from Fox, then you can start showing your knowledge. So far, all I've seen was pictures and all I've seen was that crappy trailer. What have you seen? Big deal, you used Google. Congratulations. 5 years ago, using Google led you to Jessica Alba as Bulma, Hugh Jackman as Goku, and Goldberg as Nappa. Suddenly now it's different because we actually know the people playing those roles? Give me a break.

And yes, based on the pictures, and based on the trailer (though not official, but has official footage), I will conclude that this movie deviates completely from the story and just threw some familiar characters in there to make a few dollars before the Dragon Ball world gets set ablaze.

[Chrono Trigger]

So, when a movie company goes completely against the story, it's called being creative. When FUNimation does it in their script and changes the music, it's called being stupid, moronic, and completely against the "feeling" of the Dragon Ball series? Now why is that? And as far as your "research" goes, you might as well be barking in the dark. They don't even have an official website yet! All the info you're getting doesn't prove to be 100%. I don't care if you get your info from Wikipedia or IMDB. Quite frankly, before Batman Begins came out, I read the ENTIRE SCRIPT to it off moviespoilers.net and guess what. There were some big changes there. Now until you read the script, or you get news from Fox, then you can start showing your knowledge. So far, all I've seen was pictures and all I've seen was that crappy trailer. What have you seen? Big deal, you used Google. Congratulations. 5 years ago, using Google led you to Jessica Alba as Bulma, Hugh Jackman as Goku, and Goldberg as Nappa. Suddenly now it's different because we actually know the people playing those roles? Give me a break.

And yes, based on the pictures, and based on the trailer (though not official, but has official footage), I will conclude that this movie deviates completely from the story and just threw some familiar characters in there to make a few dollars before the Dragon Ball world gets set ablaze.

Yeah but dude...The actors and director were interviewed by a lot of different publications. A lot of the information is coming straight from their mouths. So they would have to know because they was in the movie.

[Captain Awesome]

I love how the main people against the movie know next to nothing about it.

Yes, everyone that isn't singing the praises of the live action movie is just doing so because they're naturally predisposed towards hating things.



Give me a fucking break.

People are making legitimate criticisms of the movie because of it's departure from the original source material. Not because they're jumping on the bandwagon of negativity.

If anything, the people that aren't excited about this movie are actually basing their opinions on the credible information that we actually do have available, instead of using a bunch of assumptions and speculation in their argument.

[Chrono Trigger]

Yes, everyone that isn't singing the praises of the live action movie is just doing so because they're naturally predisposed towards hating things.

Rolling Eyes

Give me a fucking break.

People are making legitimate criticisms of the movie because of it's departure from the original source material. Not because they're jumping on the bandwagon of negativity.

If anything, the people that aren't excited about this movie are actually basing their opinions on the credible information that we actually do have available, instead of using a bunch of assumptions and speculation in their argument.

I didn't say anybody in particular. I was just saying that some people have only seen a handful of pictures and read some sarcastic comments on forums and think they have enough information to legitimately hate on the movie. Like the people that think the movie is all about Goku being in High School or the people that think the yellow car is supposed to be the magic cloud. Those are both stupid reasons to not like the movie because none of those things are true but there are people that actually believe that stuff. Believe or not everybody doesn't have a legitimate reason to hate or dislike this movie and they are just hating it for the sake of hating it. I never said no one could hate the movie or have an a negative opinion about it. All I'm saying is that it's better to actually know what you're talking about when you hate something and actual be accurate in your criticisms about it. I'm not saying that to anyone specific I'm just talking about in general.

[Kaboom]

So, when a movie company goes completely against the story, it's called being creative. When FUNimation does it in their script and changes the music, it's called being stupid, moronic, and completely against the "feeling" of the Dragon Ball series?

A good dub of something is, or should be, the original material presented in exactly the same manner, just in a different language. FUNimation's dub is a failure because it doesn't do that. It takes the original material and reworks and changes things, while claiming to be the same.

The movie is entirely different. It's not just a dub. It's not trying to claim to be or failing some standard of working with the original. It's taking key characters, settings, and plots from the series and presenting something entirely newly-produced from it.

That's apples to oranges right there. Imagine DragonBall is the Mona Lisa. The movie is like doing a fancy copy of it in a pop-art style. The FUNimation dub is like doodling on the original painting with crayons.

Fox is not going "completely against the story." They're reworking some things to present what they feel is a better movie. It's called "creative liberties."

Original manga is definitely a classic. Due to time constraints, I’m sorry I can’t adopt all the wonderful things from the original, but I’m happy I’m involved in this movie and I think it turned out well. I think the manga readers will find [many] things they have liked in the manga, that is, the spirit of the original.

http://dbthemovie.com/2008/05/22/roadshow-july/

It's there, guys. The elements we love and appreciate. It's up to us whether to embrace them or ignore them.

If anything, the people that aren't excited about this movie are actually basing their opinions on the credible information that we actually do have available, instead of using a bunch of assumptions and speculation in their argument.

...Dude, don't you see me posting links left and right? I'd like to see any kind of pictures or interviews or otherwise proof that Goku's "unpolular" title deems that he's a mopey loser, instead of being adventurous, noble, positive-thinking, and heroic.

[Captain Awesome]

I should really refresh the page before I post, I didn't see Mike's warning.

@Kaboom, Sorry I was speaking in general.

[Rocketman]

departure from the original source material.

I was honestly going to post a comparison of the differences between the Ghost Rider comics and the movie, until I realized it was getting longer than one of Kunzait's posts and was thus terribly off-topic.

Suffice it to say, waaaaay different. And I liked the GR movie.

[Captain Awesome]

Why is it every time I try to look at the sources for some information posted on one of these movie blogs, it just redirects me to another blog, saying the exact same information, without any sources cited whatsoever?.

@Rocketman, I'm not saying a departure from the original source material can't be good, I just think with the choices made with this film so far, it's going to be an uphill battle.

[Tsukento]

Oh and I suppose Goku doesn't have a tail. Oh so Goku's not a Saiyan is he?

That does present a question. One of Goku's noticable traits in Dragon Ball, when it first started and a good portion of it, is his monkey tail. Toriyama even made him with a tail to make him stand out more.

Eventually, we find out that it's something Saiyans are born with. So one has to wonder...what became of movie Goku's tail? Obviously Kami-sama is no where to be found to permanently remove it, so how in the world are they gonna get around to doing that? If he doesn't turn into a giant ape, then there's obviously no reason for someone to remove it.

Then we have Piccolo calling Goku a Saiyan. For someone who's thousands of years old and was put away for 2,000 years...how is he going to be able to know what Saiyans are, let alone know that Goku is one if he's missing his tail? Did Piccolo happen to come across Saiyans while traveling to Earth? Did Saiyans invade Planet Namek? How does Piccolo know Goku is a Saiyan right off the bat?

Hell, how DOES Piccolo come about being on Earth to begin with?

See how completely confusing this story becomes when the source material is done away with?

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

See how completely confusing this story becomes when the source material is done away with?

That is bad logic, I think. That's like saying that because the Spider-Man movie does not include mechanical web shooters, and doesn't explain that Peter Parker developed them himself thanks to spider instincts carried over from the bite...that web shooting doesn't make any sense in the Spider-Man films.

When, in fact, the Spider-Man of the movies simply has organic web shooters as part of the spider bite, to save on time. As much as I'm annoyed by the change, it's really nothing major and serves an important purpose: It doesn't force fans to sit through explanations of stuff they already know and doesn't confuse non-fans through exposition that may actually slow a film narrative.

Now, it has poetential to turn out to be TERRIBLE. But it also has the potential to work rather well. We just don't know enough about the nature of the film story to know if they've developed an appropriate narrative stand-in, or a change of events.

It's quite possible that Piccolo is going to serve the narrative role of Raditz, and has knowledge of things that are in space.

Of course, that's all conjecture. But seriously, at least wait to read about how they actually handled it, before basing your assumption on only half of the answer.

[Kunzait_83]

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