Dragonball Movie to Do Reshoots

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:17 pm

Kaboom, why are you quoting DBthemovie? It's a fan site. It's nothing official.

Besides, your justifications for characters on the last page were from the casting sides. That...tells us nothing. It tells us at preliminary stages what they were thinking the characters would be. Typically things change quite a bit between the initial casting and the actual production stages. Wong hadn't even written the script at that point.

That aside, my initial impression of this movie isn't great. It looks like the "Romeo and Juliet" movie from 10 years ago with Leo DiCaprio and Claire Danes (i.e. - Taking a story and trying to modernize it completely in terms of visuals)...only with less faith to the original material.

And whoever said that Gohan and Goku must live in that house because it shows them there isn't thinking straight. That's like saying Goku must live in that yellow car because he's around it ;p

Chances are just as likely that since Goku goes to a "radical" high school, Gohan and he own a timeshare for that house in the wilderness

-Corey

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:52 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:Kaboom, why are you quoting DBthemovie? It's a fan site. It's nothing official.

99.99% of everything that gets posted is news straight from magazine articles, press releases, cast and crew interviews, etc... When something's just a rumor, it's said so until it's confirmed.

Besides, your justifications for characters on the last page were from the casting sides. That...tells us nothing. It tells us at preliminary stages what they were thinking the characters would be.

Nobody's let go of the school comment in Goku's profile since day one, and a lot of folks seem convinced it's all the movie's about. So I figure I'm allowed to go by the actual good stuff from them, too.

And whoever said that Gohan and Goku must live in that house because it shows them there isn't thinking straight. That's like saying Goku must live in that yellow car because he's around it

Or labeling the car as Kinto'Un?

Assuming that's Goku and Gohan's house is perfectly reasonable, especially considering some of the other crazy ideas that seem to be passing for confirmed fact. For all we have to go by, Goku and Gohan live in that house out in the pretty-looking landscape.

Is the majority opinion on this movie becoming so overwhelmingly negative that it's suddenly considered "not thinking straight" to be confident that they're doing something right?

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:57 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote: Is the majority opinion on this movie becoming so overwhelmingly negative that it's suddenly considered "not thinking straight" to be confident that they're doing something right?

Answer is yes. You don't even want to see the emails I get.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:10 pm

JAPPO wrote:Answer is yes. You don't even want to see the emails I get.

No, I'll take your word for it.

But this is what I've been afraid of; that some folks would start to become so firmly prejudiced against the movie that they'd take to disregarding or denouncing anything that points to getting something right.

The image of Goku and Gohan training there, in an environment similar to that of where series-Goku was raised, very strongly suggests that the movie's gotten that part right.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:20 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:99.99% of everything that gets posted is news straight from magazine articles, press releases, cast and crew interviews, etc... When something's just a rumor, it's said so until it's confirmed.

True, but going by the logic we'd think that the Vulture was the villain in Spiderman 3. Why? Originally he was going to be. I'm not saying anything that drastic is going to change, but I'm just citing an example.

That being said...

Nobody's let go of the school commentin Goku's profile since day one, and a lot of folks seem convinced it's all the movie's about. So I figure I'm allowed to go by the actual good stuff from them, too.

That's fine. I think everyone can say or think whatever they want. Me? I'm going to go by the footage we see and more recent articles from credible sources. Stuff from back when Marsters was first cast, or when Wong was selected as the Writer/Director seems a bit outdated to me at this juncture.

Assuming that's Goku and Gohan's house is perfectly reasonable, especially considering some of the other crazy ideas that seem to be passing for confirmed fact. For all we have to go by, Goku and Gohan live in that house out in the pretty-looking landscape.

Or, just as likely, Gohan has a place out in the wilderness where he takes Goku to learn to harness his true potential knowing that he will be pivotal in the fight against Piccolo.

I mean, it's not like he see a mailbox that says "Gohan/Goku" or a welcome mat with their family name on it ;p

Is the majority opinion on this movie becoming so overwhelmingly negative that it's suddenly considered "not thinking straight" to be confident that they're doing something right?

Well, think about this. The track record for turning anime/cartoons, video games and comics into live action movies is mixed, leaning towards bad. For every Dark Knight, there's a Street Fighter/Dead or Alive/Mortal Kombat Annihilation/etc. Did the great movies follow the original stories to the T? No. But the bad ones seemed to deviate a bit too far. DragonBall seems to give the distinct impression that its following that path to most people.

Not to mention, Wong's credits seem to leave something to be desired, for me personally at least. I can't help but feel, in combination with what we've seen no matter whom it was intended for, that this is going to be a somewhat lackluster film.

-Corey

P.S. - As my final argument, I give you...The aborted live-action American Sailor Moon adaptation. Notice how it appears to follow the story (They're on the moon...and they're girls...and I think there's the right number of them...), but like DragonBall the movie it's...different.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:55 pm

That would-be live Sailor Moon is what made guys like the dub much better because we could've gotten that.

Also MK Annihilation was actually very true to the story of Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3. A few things changed, but pretty darn close to the story.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:35 pm

True to the story, but done very horribly. I can make a Pokemon movie as true to the original as it gets, but if I have crappy effects, corny lines, terrible costumes, and just a bored look on all my actors' faces, then that wouldn't be a good movie.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:40 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:Pokemon...corny lines...then that wouldn't be a good movie.

I argue that would be a perfect adaption.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:48 pm

Rocketman wrote:
TheGreatness25 wrote:Pokemon...corny lines...then that wouldn't be a good movie.
I argue that would be a perfect adaption.

LOL I agree.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:56 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:True to the story, but done very horribly. I can make a Pokemon movie as true to the original as it gets, but if I have crappy effects, corny lines, terrible costumes, and just a bored look on all my actors' faces, then that wouldn't be a good movie.

Oh I know it was a bad movie. Only thing good it gave was this theme song. (Sorry for the amv, but it was the best thing I could find)

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:00 pm

So lately I've been trying to gather up as much solid, confirmed information about the movie as we've gotten, and organize it all into a hypothetical plot summary. There's still one or two big elements I'm not too sure about, such as how this eclipse works into things or when the Budokai takes place. So there'll be some conjecture when it comes to those things and and some ideas of my own filling in the gaps. But I'll try to support anything I say the best I can with links to articles or pictures.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:10 pm

On October 23rd, 20th Century Fox Korea held a 2009 line-up road show at the Grand Hyatt Hotel in Hannam-dong, Seoul. At this time, X-MEN and Dragonball special trailers were shown. But unfortunately Joon Park didn't appear in this trailer. The trailer was edited centering around lead actor Justin Chatwin, Yun-Fat Chow and Emmy Rossum.

http://kr.news.yahoo.com/service/news/s ... setid=1352

Jump Festa will be held on December 20th, and 20th Century Fox will be running a booth at the event where they say a secret movie trailer may be shown.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:11 am

Taku128 wrote:
Kendamu wrote:
JAPPO wrote:Saying "Goku is a wimp" from one line of dialogue is pure idiocy.
Then maybe they should've chosen a better line. You can't seriously tell me, "Go spend $9 then tell me if you want to see the movie." Instead, they're just going to have to do a better job advertising it. So far, not having a trailer out when they were supposed to is bad and the marketing trailer that seems to paint Goku as, "...not ready for this," doesn't really give us vibes of a strong martial artist adventurer with a bit of a naive side.
But we weren't supposed to see that trailer, it was for whoever that trailer was for (I forgot). For all we know he could have been talking about a test at school.

However, we did see it and it has effected us. Even outside of that trailer, I've pointed out earlier in this thread that only one piece of advertising, aimed at Japanese moviegoers, has gotten me relatively excited. Compare to the rest of what we've seen, its not enough to convince me that the movie will be much like that poster.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:05 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:But this is what I've been afraid of; that some folks would start to become so firmly prejudiced against the movie that they'd take to disregarding or denouncing anything that points to getting something right.

They "start to become prejudiced"? Is that supposed to mean that they weren't before? Is that really how "prejudice" works, usually?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:31 am

Olivier Hague wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:But this is what I've been afraid of; that some folks would start to become so firmly prejudiced against the movie that they'd take to disregarding or denouncing anything that points to getting something right.
They "start to become prejudiced"? Is that supposed to mean that they weren't before? Is that really how "prejudice" works, usually?

Eh, my sentence got a bit mixed up there from rewriting it a couple times. That's what happens when you're sleep-deprived.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:52 pm

I don't think its "prejudice" if someone didn't like it to start with and continues not to like it later because one or two things are right while the other 76 things are wrong. That's like saying Batman and Robin was a good movie because, "Well, at least Batman's in it!"

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:56 pm

That's not what I'm saying. I'm not expecting someone's entire opinion on the movie to change or anything. All I'm saying is it seems absurd to let that attitude become so fervent as to not even acknowledge the good or well-translated parts.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:45 pm

But it's ridiculous as to how much they haven't translated onto the big screen; I mean really? How hard? You can't blame the folks for kicking and screaming. I see no problem as to how negative the film's reception is so far.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:01 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:That's not what I'm saying. I'm not expecting someone's entire opinion on the movie to change or anything. All I'm saying is it seems absurd to let that attitude become so fervent as to not even acknowledge the good or well-translated parts.

Oh. I get'cha. Well, the one good part I know for sure so far is the Japanese poster of Goku in the Kame uniform with his back toward the viewer and there's a really colorful desert background. If that was what the movie was mostly gonna look like, I'd love it.

However, 99% of what I've seen is all dark and stuff. Not my cup of tea.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:20 pm

Snail wrote:But it's ridiculous as to how much they haven't translated onto the big screen

I made this little list a couple pages back, and then expounded on a few things from it a bit later; I'd suggest giving it a read. There's plenty that they have kept, probably more than you'd think, end even some things they've improved upon. Ask me whatever, I've gotten good at digging up links. XD