List of plotholes in GT

Yamcha_krillin · Post by **Yamcha_krillin** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:07 am

Some of them;

-Gohan losing his "mystic" power-up.

-Vegeta grew a mustache and cut his hair, when that's not possible for a full-blooded SSJ.

-SSJ4 Goku having troubels lifting a building

-Android 17 can be sensed by Trunks

Any more?

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:10 am

I don't exactly think it's worth the time trying to put together every single plothole in that series. I doubt we'd ever get done.

Oh, and as a massive Gohan fanboy, I must say I was severely pissed to see him go Super.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:26 am

Yamcha_krillin wrote: -Vegeta grew a mustache and cut his hair, when that's not possible for a full-blooded SSJ.

Not that I'm defending GT, but I don't see how this is a plot hole, nothing has ever been said about Saiya-jin hair being impossible to cut, it just doesn't grow once it reaches a certain length, as for facial hair Nappa had a moustache, are you telling me he's had that since birth?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:01 am

And Goku's hair was cut once in Dragonball.

onlyonelegend · Post by **onlyonelegend** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:38 am

Not really plot holes, just things i found annoying.

How Vegeta magically loses his tail when knocked out of SSJ4.

How Goku's tail turned gold the first time he goes SSJ, but never again.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:04 am

Saiyavenger2941 wrote:I don't exactly think it's worth the time trying to put together every single plothole in that series. I doubt we'd ever get done.

Despite the fact that I kinda liked it, I'm just going to point at the Super #17 Arc and say "pretty much that."

That story arc was basically one big plothole.

Fitting considering there was actually a big hole in reality leading to hell.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:39 am

Casual Matt wrote:
Saiyavenger2941 wrote:I don't exactly think it's worth the time trying to put together every single plothole in that series. I doubt we'd ever get done.
Despite the fact that I kinda liked it, I'm just going to point at the Super #17 Arc and say "pretty much that."

That story arc was basically one big plothole.

Fitting considering there was actually a big hole in reality leading to hell.

"Oh crap, guys! Dr. Gero and Dr. Myuu have joined forces and opened a massive plothole! Be on your guard; there's no telling what manner of kryptonite ham sandwiches will fly at us!"
*Everyone loses. Goku wins.*

Pulling out a tail with plyers when the tail regrowths we saw in the series were spontaneous and nigh instant seems... weird, but not necessarily a plothole...

It's not really a plothole, but the scene where Kaioshin confronts Dende and Popo (while they're under Bebi's control) was... ur... strange. Especially with Mr. Popo's dub voice... Not that I mind said voice so much, but whenever he makes that shocked "ohw!

" noise... while being splashed in the face... and Kaioshin's actually scared of the two of them... and... and... *dies*

... And Rildo? Stronger than Buu? Hullabaloo!

Yamcha_krillin · Post by **Yamcha_krillin** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:34 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:
Yamcha_krillin wrote: -Vegeta grew a mustache and cut his hair, when that's not possible for a full-blooded SSJ.
Not that I'm defending GT, but I don't see how this is a plot hole, nothing has ever been said about Saiya-jin hair being impossible to cut, it just doesn't grow once it reaches a certain length, as for facial hair Nappa had a moustache, are you telling me he's had that since birth?

My mistake then.

One more(i don't know if that's a plothole):Final form Cooler was in GT

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:28 pm

caejones wrote:... And Rildo? Stronger than Buu? Hullabaloo!

Not just him. EVERYONE was seemingly stronger than Buu, which was ridiculous. The only villain I could see that as true for would be Omega Shenron.

TheMajinRedComet · Post by **TheMajinRedComet** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:44 pm

Cooler was there because he didn't get to be in movie 12.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:55 pm

TheMajinRedComet wrote:Cooler was there because he didn't get to be in movie 12.

"Damn you Freeza! Getting to make a cameo in movie 12, guess I'm just going to have to one-up you by getting into this great new idea Toei has called GT!! I'll show him!"

dragonballzgtfighter · Post by **dragonballzgtfighter** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:01 pm

Great thread as we can use this to list plot holes of GT and find ways to correct them.

Gohan losing his "mystic" power-up.
I can't explain this one, maybe he stopped train and lost powers?

Vegeta grew a mustache and cut his hair, when that's not possible for a full-blooded SSJ.
I see no problem with this one.

SSJ4 Goku having trouble lifting a building
Adds to the drama

Android 17 can be sensed by Trunks
Adroid is part human

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:05 pm

dragonballzgtfighter wrote:Android 17 can be sensed by Trunks
Adroid is part human

But the fact that they had no ki that could be sensed was a major plot point in Z. Why would they just drop that?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:07 pm

dragonballzgtfighter wrote: Android 17 can be sensed by Trunks
Adroid is part human

Not enough to be sensed in Z, and the evil 17 is purely artificial.

dragonballzgtfighter · Post by **dragonballzgtfighter** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:10 pm

Bussani wrote:
dragonballzgtfighter wrote:Android 17 can be sensed by Trunks
Adroid is part human
But the fact that they had no ki that could be sensed was a major plot point in Z. Why would they just drop that?

Well the only way to make Android 17 can be sensed by Trunks NOT a plothole woulb be this.

When 17 first appeared Trunks could not sense him. He could only sense 17 after he gets wished back from the dead, this time 17 is android with ki.
(it's only a tv show)

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:25 pm

Son of a...

I was actually planning on going every single plothole in the series as an upcoming project of mine.

Here's one I've noticed. Goku can't use the Instantaneous Movement as a kid (Trunks claims it's likely due to Goku's small body being unable to handle it), yet he can go all the way to Super Saiyan 3. The fact that he can even go Super Saiyan alone but not use I'm is a big wtf.

Another being that the Black Star Dragon Balls shouldn't even be. For starters, they were never found via Dragon Radar. When Kami-sama merged with Piccolo, the Dragon Balls were rendered useless. Piccolo Daimao's death should have resulted in the Dark Star Dragon Ball's disappearance, even if Piccolo is the reincarnation/son.

Of course, everyone having a body in hell is a plot hole that's existed since mid-Z (obviously the anime).

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:58 pm

Tsukento wrote:Here's one I've noticed. Goku can't use the Instantaneous Movement as a kid (Trunks claims it's likely due to Goku's small body being unable to handle it), yet he can go all the way to Super Saiyan 3. The fact that he can even go Super Saiyan alone but not use I'm is a big wtf.

I'm not sure this counts. He uses SSJ3 about as well as he uses Instant Transmission before his tail comes back (ie, it's useless).

Another being that the Black Star Dragon Balls shouldn't even be. For starters, they were never found via Dragon Radar.

Pilaf built a container back in Dragonball that could mask the signal the DBs give off.

When Kami-sama merged with Piccolo, the Dragon Balls were rendered useless. Piccolo Daimao's death should have resulted in the Dark Star Dragon Ball's disappearance, even if Piccolo is the reincarnation/son.

If Junior is close enough that Kami didn't die when King Piccolo exploded, I think it's fine that the Black Star DBs weren't affected.

Alternatively, they only came back into existence when Kami and Piccolo reunited.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:53 pm

Rocketman wrote:I'm not sure this counts. He uses SSJ3 about as well as he uses Instant Transmission before his tail comes back (ie, it's useless).

The point is that he's able to turn into a Super Saiyan yet can't use Instantaneous Movement.

Rocketman wrote:Pilaf built a container back in Dragonball that could mask the signal the DBs give off.

But they weren't in any kind of container to mask the signal. They just sat there on a pedestal covered in dust.

Rocketman wrote:If Junior is close enough that Kami didn't die when King Piccolo exploded, I think it's fine that the Black Star DBs weren't affected.

Alternatively, they only came back into existence when Kami and Piccolo reunited.

If that was the case, they would have been detected when everyone went looking for the Dragon Balls to restore everyone killed by Vegeta at the Tenkaichi Budokai.

Not only this, but there is also something very crucial that gets overlooked; the words to summoning both dragons are the very same. If the BSDBs were indeed somehow active due to Piccolo and Kami-sama merging, then both dragons would have been called out when everyone had Shenlong grant their wishes after the events with Cell.

Yeah, Toriyama didn't make GT's story and didn't intend for a second set to be created, but in the long run, it ends up not being possible when trying to add on to something that's already occurred.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:26 pm

If the Black Star Balls really were a dangerous, failed experiment, Kami would probably take supernatural means to make sure they were undetectable and never found.

...Which of course, raises the question of how Pilaf found them.

(In GTR, I've just reasoned that the Black Star Balls emit their energy at a different "frequency" than the normal sets.)

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:30 pm

Tsukento wrote:The point is that he's able to turn into a Super Saiyan yet can't use Instantaneous Movement.

I still don't see why that's a problem. Goten could go Super at age 7.

But they weren't in any kind of container to mask the signal. They just sat there on a pedestal covered in dust.

Weren't they in a big container thing with bones in it?

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