Dragon Ball Z: Cooler Double Feature Discussion

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:22 pm

SSJToreto wrote:Yeah, that image definetly looks better in comparison. If the Blu-Ray looks even better, I'm sold!

Honestly? Any brighter and the highlights would start to blow out. The face contour lines are too solid-looking; there’s no reason for that much contrast. The shadows have actually gone from pink to orange. Why do people always equate oversaturation with “better” images?

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:25 pm

Acid_Reign wrote:
SSJToreto wrote:Yeah, that image definetly looks better in comparison. If the Blu-Ray looks even better, I'm sold!
Honestly? Any brighter and the highlights would start to blow out. The face contour lines are too solid-looking; there’s no reason for that much contrast. The shadows have actually gone from pink to orange. Why do people always equate oversaturation with “better” images?

I agree about the lines being a little too solid, but look at Goku's eye. It actually looks like it's 3-D/CGI

SSJToreto · Post by **SSJToreto** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:25 pm

Acid_Reign wrote:
SSJToreto wrote:Yeah, that image definetly looks better in comparison. If the Blu-Ray looks even better, I'm sold!
Honestly? Any brighter and the highlights would start to blow out. The face contour lines are too solid-looking; there’s no reason for that much contrast. The shadows have actually gone from pink to orange. Why do people always equate oversaturation with “better” images?

Honestly, that shot looks good. Can't say what it would look like in motion, though. Sharp lines are far better, then blurred-out lines anyday of the week.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:36 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:I agree about the lines being a little too solid, but look at Goku's eye. It actually looks like it's 3-D/CGI

Why would the iris look round but the rest of his eye look flat?

SSJToreto wrote:Honestly, that shot looks good. Can't say what it would look like in motion, though. Sharp lines are far better, then blurred-out lines anyday of the week.

It looks okay. I wouldn’t mind it if the original colors were closer to that. But it’s too loud; the D.Box has an elegant simplicity to it. Sharp is generally good, but not everything has to be that way. Shadows in real life are mostly gradient in nature unless the light source is very harsh and direct. But even if they had only passed it through a sharpening filter and kept the colors the same, it would still look better than it does now because the contrast wouldn’t be as intense.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:39 pm

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

Also, the Dragon Box: The Movies Thread has a few Movie 6 caps to compare:

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:46 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

Well, what irks me is how much people actually prefer an image that’s been fucked with. The original looks fine as-is. Why can’t it be left well enough alone?

SSJToreto · Post by **SSJToreto** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:48 pm

Acid_Reign wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
Well, what irks me is how much people actually prefer an image that’s been fucked with. The original looks fine as-is. Why can’t it be left well enough alone?

The original does look best, though I did like that particular shot of SSJ Goku more, but whatever...

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:49 pm

Acid_Reign wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
Well, what irks me is how much people actually prefer an image that’s been fucked with. The original looks fine as-is. Why can’t it be left well enough alone?

I guess it's sort of like how when they remaster films from the 70's and 80's and make some of the primitive CGI look more modern, some people like it, while others get pissed. Some people prefer the original and like something from 1970 look like something from 1970, not 2000, while some people like everythin g to look recent. I'm 50/50. With live action, I prefer the original, but with animation, I like it better when it's more modern-looking.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:56 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:I guess it's sort of like how when they remaster films from the 70's and 80's and make some of the primitive CGI look more modern, some people like it, while others get pissed. Some people prefer the original and like something from 1970 look like something from 1970, not 2000, while some people like everythin g to look recent. I'm 50/50. With live action, I prefer the original, but with animation, I like it better when it's more modern-looking.

Well I mean, it’s one thing to make things look like how they were intended to look, if they’ve faded over time (as is often the case with film), but it’s quite another to “modernize” something by arbitrarily fiddling with dials to suit your personal preference. That’s fine if you own a copy of the movie and prefer to watch it that way, but it’s a job that should be relegated to the viewer—don’t embed it into the encode; that’s just irresponsible and should not be included in the revitalization process.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:59 pm

Odd...I took a screencap of Super Saiyan Goku from my Dragon Box and the screen looks nothing like the one presented earlier. o_O

See for yourself.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:00 pm

But... it does look good. It's very sharp, smooth, and the colors are very distinct, rather than the slightly faded appearance the DragonBox shot has. I mean, I'm no expert on this stuff, but... dayum.

EDIT:

Tsukento wrote:Odd...I took a screencap of Super Saiyan Goku from my Dragon Box and the screen looks nothing like the one presented earlier. o_O

See for yourself.

Well that's weird. I was wondering why the Dbox cap looked a little more lackluster than they usually do.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:00 pm

That's...strange....

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:03 pm

Acid_Reign is just a hater.

(just kidding)

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:03 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:But... it does look good. It's very sharp, smooth, and the colors are very distinct, rather than the slightly faded appearance the DragonBox shot has. I mean, I'm no expert on this stuff, but... dayum.

Comparing the two, the Double Feature just has the typical saturation level blown up. That's really about it.

Not to say that isn't good, cause it's certainly leagues beyond the god awful season sets.

SSJToreto · Post by **SSJToreto** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:06 pm

Tsukento wrote:Odd...I took a screencap of Super Saiyan Goku from my Dragon Box and the screen looks nothing like the one presented earlier. o_O

See for yourself.

This one does look... Kinda like the double feature... Which one is real? lol

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:10 pm

Tsukento wrote:Odd...I took a screencap of Super Saiyan Goku from my Dragon Box and the screen looks nothing like the one presented earlier. o_O

See for yourself.

Did you (or b_boult) take it through a media player? If so, your playback settings could have affected the look of the image.

SSj Kaboom wrote:But... it does look good. It's very sharp, smooth, and the colors are very distinct, rather than the slightly faded appearance the DragonBox shot has. I mean, I'm no expert on this stuff, but... dayum.

It’s artificially sharp, though. What is the point of detail if it isn’t even reflective of the actual source but rather interpolated by a computer program? Of course the D.Box is softer by comparison. That’s how it actually looks. It’s natural for film.

Well that's weird. I was wondering why the Dbox cap looked a little more lackluster than they usually do.

Lackluster? Please. My hunch is that b_boult’s image hasn’t been filtered, while Tsukento’s has. I could be wrong about that, but I really don’t see anything so dreadfully wrong with the first screenshot.

Chrono Trigger wrote:Acid_Reign is just a hater. (just kidding)

Well, someone’s gotta represent the purists…

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:34 pm

Acid_Reign wrote:Did you (or b_boult) take it through a media player? If so, your playback settings could have affected the look of the image.

Directly lifted with VLC's snapshot feature, so no print screen or any of that stuff was done.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:37 pm

Tsukento wrote:Directly lifted with VLC's snapshot feature, so no print screen or any of that stuff was done.

Well no, that’s not quite what I mean. If you have any internal filters turned on in VLC, it’s going to modify the outputted image. Better to open the stream directly, without any processing, and save it that way. I personally would use VirtualDubMod to acces the VOB, compensate for the aspect ratio difference (due to the anamorphic encoding), and then save the image.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:38 pm

Movie 5 looks great. Movie 6 is ok much 5 is much better...Though I have to say, I'm kind of pissed they changed that line in Movie 5. I mean at least the chili line is still there from Yajirobe. But still, that scene has a lot of sentimental value to me and the change really irks me.

theoriginalbilis · Post by **theoriginalbilis** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:41 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Billis, can you also post the Funi version of this shot?

I can do it, but no promises I can get it online today. It'll be up by tomorrow morning though.