Official "Show off your Dragonball Crap" Thread

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:21 pm

Smexiness. Hopefully, there will be another set of these REALWORKS babies in the near future.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:22 pm

DragoonClawNZ wrote: Yes. Well, overall, I find the FUNimation release a far more decent release, for many reasons.

Aside from the marathon feature and the alternate angles (which are being done away with anyway) I really don't see much of a difference, other than you'll probably have to pay more.

Also CURSE YOU SNAIL!

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:25 pm

I beat you to the punch cap'n " HO HO HO! "

DragoonClawNZ · Post by **DragoonClawNZ** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:28 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:
DragoonClawNZ wrote: Yes. Well, overall, I find the FUNimation release a far more decent release, for many reasons.
Aside from the marathon feature and the alternate angles (which are being done away with anyway) I really don't see much of a difference, other than you'll probably have to pay more.

Also thread fixed.

Believe me, there are more to that. One, the extras have been replaced so the upcoming Dragonball release trailers are not on them. Two, the quality is actually worse than FUNimations, I compared a screencap to the FUNimation release courtesy to a friend of mine and the Madmans appears to have pixelation. I may of already mentioned this, but there are encoding errors. One is that episode 4: Piccolos Plan, track 2, plays the Japanese BGM the same time as Mark Menzas and my Season Three is faulty, it barely wants to play on all my players and they aren't scratched at all.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:41 pm

Madman do tend to fuck up a lot when they're authoring dvd's, but the season set encodes are pretty solid.

I know it's your money and all, but it sounds like you're paying a lot of money to import the same product, with very little difference.

DragoonClawNZ · Post by **DragoonClawNZ** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:45 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:Madman do tend to fuck up a lot when they're authoring dvd's, but the season set encodes are pretty solid.

I know it's your money and all, but it sounds like you're paying a lot of money to import the same product, with very little difference.

Nah, only a $20-30 difference, not that big to me. Plus it beats waiting another 3-4 months for Madman to release it. Anyway, that's enough, I've said all I can on the Madman release.

I just saw the trailer for Season Eight and it looks awesome, kind of expected Majin Vegeta to be on the cover. Oh well, was hoping for Majin Buu to be on the cover. Also, has anyone recieved the Steelbook yet containing Coolers Revenge and Return of Cooler?

Zenkai Power · Post by **Zenkai Power** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:33 pm

I'm just gonna post some cels for now because they're already online and I'm too lazy to go take some pictures haha...

My favorite cel! SSJ2 Gohan running after Goku teleporting Cell to King Kai's planet!

I think this is Goku practicing on his way to Namek. I just really like the shot.

I used to own more cels but I had to sell them

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SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:46 am

Well I'm proud to say that I finally own a Dragonball figurine...AND IT'S FROM JAPAN!!! As some of you may remember, I have a very limited collection of Dragonball "crap", and one of the things that I was craving most were some nice figures. Well, my Japanese neighbor just received a package from her aunt in Tokyo that had some cool trinkets and manga for her, but most of all, two Dragonball figures! They turned out to be the same one, so she gave me one and teased me when I started jumping around the room and squealing (who'd of thought the Japanese immigrant would be teasing me, a Caucasian American, about a love of a manga from her home country

).

Well anyway, here are some pictures:

shotkeeper · Post by **shotkeeper** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:27 am

Where do you buy cells?

Kaze no Mune · Post by **Kaze no Mune** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:31 pm

shotkeeper wrote:Where do you buy cells?

I don't believe there is an official way to do so. Your only option is individual sellers on auction sites.

shotkeeper · Post by **shotkeeper** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:39 pm

Kaze no Mune wrote:
shotkeeper wrote:Where do you buy cells?
I don't believe there is an official way to do so. Your only option is individual sellers on auction sites.

Oh ok, but a question came in mind. A cell is a piece of film, right? How do people get a piece of film? Who distributes it and doesn't this ruin the original film?

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:12 pm

shotkeeper wrote:
Kaze no Mune wrote:
shotkeeper wrote:Where do you buy cells?
I don't believe there is an official way to do so. Your only option is individual sellers on auction sites.
Oh ok, but a question came in mind. A cell is a piece of film, right? How do people get a piece of film? Who distributes it and doesn't this ruin the original film?

I'm by no means an expert, but here's what I know:

A cel is just the original drawing, not a part of the actual film. The image on the original cel is copied on to the 16 mm film (16 mm for Dragonball), and that film is the master that is used for production.

So the cels that people are buying and selling these days are not needed to re-release the show; to do that they use either the masters or copies of the masters which feature the animations of the cels but the not the cels themselves.

shotkeeper · Post by **shotkeeper** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:43 pm

Oh I see, thank you very much, but that brings up another question. Why don't they just put all cells together again and make a fresh master of the serie.

SSJ Helldog · Post by **SSJ Helldog** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 5:54 pm

Because it would have to be re-synched with the audio, it would be time consuming, and there's no motive to do so. Also, they've sold off some of the cells and others have probably been trashed.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:47 pm

shotkeeper wrote:Oh I see, thank you very much, but that brings up another question. Why don't they just put all cells together again and make a fresh master of the serie.

First of all because no one person or company owns all of the cels. Plus, with cel animation basically being a dead format it would be pretty expensive. Not to mention that they would just come out with what they already have.

shotkeeper · Post by **shotkeeper** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:18 pm

Oh ok

. Thanks for the info.

Zenkai Power · Post by **Zenkai Power** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:25 pm

To explain what cels are:

Let's look at a scene. First the animators draw up the character on paper... this is the sketch, they then copy the lines to a clear piece of plastic called acetate using a method similar to Xerox.

They then paint in the image from the back of the cel, on the front it looks clear and smooth but on the back the paint is blotchy. They lay the cel over the background (like say the desert or the inside of Capsule Corp. or whatever). Sometimes the image is made up in LAYERS. Like layers in Photoshop or something? Know what I mean.

So a typical set up would be like this.

Layer 1 - ) Goku
Layer 2 - ) Goku's mouth animated
Layer 3 - ) dust being blown up around Goku
Layer 4 - ) Goku's Ki (which is an airbrushed effect)

... so they lay all those layers together against a background and then they take a picture of it. This is put on film. Then they change his mouth layer and any others needed to make the next frame of animation and take a picture. And so on, so forth, until the scene is animated.

The cel and/or it's background... is the ACTUAL ART used in the scene. So the cel up there of Gohan is the actual art you see when you watch the episode. It's the very exact drawing. It's the original.

And re-using cels makes no sense. Since all of that artwork has now been captured to film. TOEI has sold thousands of these throughout the years. You can find most on Mandarake or Yahoo! Japan auctions. Or private dealers.

There used to be a website called Dragon Ball Room. That guy owns the original cels used ot make up the one handed father-son Kame Hame Ha... along with others. Here it is below, his website shut down a few years ago but I saved most of the images!

So the cel above would be made up like this:

1.) Background
2.) Goku
3.) Gohan
4.) Ki layer
5.) Rocks
6.) The missing Kamehameha energy wave (or the owner may not have it in the picture, they may have removed that layer, so you can see the characters better).

Most all of the energy/ki effects in DB/Z/GT are made with air-brushing.

So collecting cels is awesome because you are actually BUYING production artwork used to actually MAKE the show. The actual art you see when you watch the episode.

When You see the end of an episode and everything looks like a painting... that's called a harmony cel. Because the image is actually a painted background with lines over it instead of the character being painted on the cel itself.

Those are the rarest to find and usually the most beautiful.

Pan cels are extra long or wide cels. When you see the camera pan from left-right or top-bottom... like a full body shot of Goku or Frieza... those are pan cels. I almost had the chance to buy the pan cel of Goku first turning SSJ but the dealer sold it to someone else because I had already bought enough "cool" cels and he thought someone else deserved a chance. -_- Here it is below:

It had been slightly damaged unfortunately. It has "line fading," which is when the xerox'd black lines that outline the character fade from being exposed to UV light too much.

Here are some cels I used to own but recently sold:

And this is the rarest cel I ever had the chance to buy. It was too much for me... it went for about $3,000 in 2003 or 2004:

I have collected since 2002, I used to have a very large collection but I sold a lot of them for cash for college. Hopefully now you guys understand what it is and everything. I can't think of a cooler collectible than the actual animation that was used to make the show. If any of you are interested in collecting I can help you find all the info that took me years to acquire... so you guys can know where to look for some good cels.

Oh and now-a-days they don't animate using real paint and clear plastic cels. They do it all in computer now. So that's why the Budokai intros look different and why the new DBZ special will probably look like the Budokai intros more than the old series.

shotkeeper · Post by **shotkeeper** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:45 am

HOLYSHIT, that was one good explanation. Thanks a lot. But what the F?A cell for 3000 dollars? You could buy all the DBOXes with that lol.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:31 am

I guess I should have posted about this.

I just got the two Australian boxes around a week ago, my time keeping isn't that good...

I also got a Red Scouter toy that barely fits my head, I wish I bought something else now...

But it's still cool, once I sort my hair out and look like I'm not asleep I might do my own yelling while wearing a scouter avatar that Mike made so popular.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:09 pm

I wonder how much that pan cell of Goku going SSJ would cost..

I'd love to have that in my room!

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